On Aug 21, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, George Ker wrote:
I recommend for terms like: Object, Atom Box, Symbol, Bang, Slider,
Patch etc that no Greek translation should be done. Yes, of course
I know what an "Object" means , and "Atom Box" could easily be
translated, but wouldn't it be a drawback for users?When I originally got 17 translations of Pd some years ago, what I
received mostly translated "Slider" into their own language (a
majority of the 16 non-English language files), instead of keeping
it as-is. It depends on which word. Toggle was less often
translated, and Bang was almost always kept as-is.I think it's mostly better to translate the words than not, even
though a fair amount of the population sticks with English just so
that the computer vocabulary is in English. There is plenty of room
for localisations that would use the English words for computer
vocabulary, but somehow, it seems no-one ever bothers making any.I live in a society where the opposition between the two manners of
speaking is intense. Basically, we're so self-conscious about how
much English we use in talking about computer things, that we can't
possibly write a book with those words: all those words have to be
translated to French. AFAIK, other places in the world are becoming
more sensitive to that. I just happened to live in a place where it
mattered more and it mattered earlier.Even for me, the translator of the app would be confusing if all
tutorials / help patches/ lists were using them... and then I had
to face with terms: Object, Slider, Patch, DSP etc translated in
Greek language in my installed App! I asked a friend of mine and he
wouldn't use the translated app either! I find it like translating
the MIDI acronyms. Too ugly and scary...Where's the ugliness coming from? a shame insidiously infused into
your people by the American Empire? You didn't question the beauty
of the English words when you learned them, did you? I didn't
either. I talk like that because it's a problem that I'm all too
familiar with. It took me a long time to figure out the "ugliness"
factor... and factor it out... to the extent that we can.Besides, much of my computer is running in English, because I've ran
it in English for way too long, out of habit, just like you; yet if
I set up Linux in some (French-language) institution, I install it
in French without asking anyone's advice. It's just normal. I may
switch my own computer to French someday, and I already switched the
default language of webpages to be French (but it only works on
multilanguage pages that support it and detect it).I don't mind about the licence but wouldn't it be right for me to
impress girls in my college more easily after my work in
translation of the PD app????Contrast this with the DesireData translations in which not only the
translator's name is at the top of the file, it's also in Help-About. I am very proud of having gotten translations. But then,
DesireData's translations cover much more than 10 times the amount
of text that Hans' project does. Perhaps it's a matter of scale and
eventually more translators would demand that credit is given where
credit is due.
The standard .po header will make the job of tracking attributions
easy, I think the idea of including the translators in the About page
is a good one. The only roadblock to that is someone creating the
About page.
.hc
-The last and more serious problem is that I can't test my gr.po
file. Everything needs to be done with sudo to run and be installed
properlyFrom the experience of my own project, I can say it's a lot nicer to
be able to test things without having to do "make install".To skip the sudo, you could use ./configure's --prefix option
combined with a custom PATH (if you need one)._ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal,
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telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out
how to use my telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup