On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 12:51:14AM -0400, vade wrote:
Because the Mongolians did it so much better as to be noteworthy?
It depends what you mean by 'better'. For example, the British Empire covered more land than the Mongolian Empire ever did, and that's just one arm of the European invasion of the rest of the world. The British Empire also ruled over far more people; roughly one quater of the world's entire population at the beginning of the 20th century.
If by 'better' you mean "more ruthless" then you need to read more history. First hand accounts by the Spanish invaders into parts of South America brag unashamedly about deceiving and slaughtering the local peoples. Slave ships (I don't need to say any more on that one). The way in which the Aboriginal people of Australia, Canada, and the USA were treated by the first settlers in these places. The list is very long. There is a lot more debate about how civil the ancient Mongolians were than there is about how the later Europeans treated the people they invaded, possibly because Europeans kept better written records, whilst the records of Mongolian invasion were all kept by people who were being invaded.
As with all history, it's very complicated, but my point is that we only refer to the "Mongolian hordes" because we are biased towards a pro-western way of thinking. That is most definately ignorant, and probably racist.
Best,
Chris.
And
dont forget the Vikings, we were pretty legendary. Then the damn
Christians tamed us.But im also an American citizen (my mother is Scandinavian), so you
have my explicit permission to speak of the current American Hordes,
should you need to specify any group of people with a
"horde"/"Invasion"/"rape"/"torture" analogy, or if you are feeling a
bit reminiscent, to use viking rather than mongolian, you will at
least offend n-1 people on the PD list.Thanks,
On Oct 8, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Chris McCormick wrote:
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 12:41:22PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Of course, hacker slang can be sexist as well, even racist if you
look at the term " Mongolian Hordes technique" above.If only you had had those real Mongolian hordes rushing towards
you at the appropriate time in history, you would understand...There's a difference between being sensitive to racism and dismissing history.
I wonder why we don't refer to the european hordes rushing into
countless continents, slaughtering and raping the local peoples for the last few hundred years? There is a difference between dismissing history and selective memory.Best,
Chris.
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