Pd-list April 2022

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[PD-announce] 1st Release Candidate of ELSE 1.0-0 (with Live Electronics Tutorial)
by Alexandre Torres Porres 20 Apr '22

20 Apr '22

Hey, first update of ELSE and the tutorial in 2022 has been released. Total number of objects is now 446, total number of examples in the tutorial is now 464.. I never take this long but there are lots and lots of changes here. Many breaking changes on one hand but on the other I'm finally moving on to a next development phase of "Release Candidates" aiming towards more stability. One big change was having flags come first as they always should have. Many many fixes and many new objects. *Highlights:* - [metronome]: this object was added in the last update, I made many changes and included several new high level funciontanilities. Specially, I Added support for quite crazier time signatures. - [tabplayer~]: now can trigger start and stop playing at audio rate with signal input with gates and impulses. - new [score]/[score2] objects to write and play musical score sequences with a friendly syntax with bars, time signatures and fractional note durations - [polymetro]/[polymetro~]: polymetric metronomes at control and audio rates. The Live Electronics Tutorial has also been updated, check detailed changelog at: https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v1.0-rc1 I also added in the readme alternatives to cyclone in ELSE. Find binaries for the main 64 bits systems in deken (Linux, Windows and macOS intel/arm), more to come soon and extra binaries will be available and found only in the release downloads from the repository. Cheers _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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fat binaries (intel+arm) too big and fat, can I do something about it?
by Alexandre Torres Porres 20 Apr '22

20 Apr '22

Hi, checking my binaries for the update of ELSE, I see d_i386 binaries add up to 3MB, white the fat ones are 10 times bigger (so, around 30MB)! I haven't tested, but it seems tha if I build intel_64 bits and arm64 separately they don't add up to that much bigger. Anyway, can I do something about it? thanks

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deken not working in Monterey
by Alexandre Torres Porres 19 Apr '22

19 Apr '22

Hi, just made a fresh install of Pd in a new partition with macOS 12.3.1 (monterey) installed. My intent is to try and compile externals for apple silicon. I have a test update already up (not to be used). Anyway, I opened Pd and tried to use deken to download else and got an "Application Error" window/message, which says: ------------------------------------------------------------ "No application knows how to open URL file:///Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/else%5Bv1.0-0rc1-test_with_live_electronics_tutorial%5D(Darwin-amd64-32).dek (Error Domain=NSOSStatusErrorDomain Code=-10814 "kLSApplicationNotFoundErr: E.g. no application claims the file" UserInfo={_LSLine=1489, _LSFunction=runEvaluator}). No application knows how to open URL file:///Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/else%5Bv1.0-0rc1-test_with_live_electronics_tutorial%5D(Darwin-amd64-32).dek (Error Domain=NSOSStatusErrorDomain Code=-10814 "kLSApplicationNotFoundErr: E.g. no application claims the file" UserInfo={_LSLine=1489, _LSFunction=runEvaluator}). while executing "exec sh -c [format "open '%s'" $filename]" (procedure "pd_menucommands::menu_openfile" line 3) invoked from within "pd_menucommands::menu_openfile $fullpkgfile" (procedure "::deken::utilities::extract" line 60) invoked from within "::deken::utilities::extract $installdir $filename $fullpkgfile $keep" (procedure "::deken::install_package" line 38) invoked from within "::deken::install_package ${fullpkgfile} ${filename} ${installdir} ${::deken::keep_package}" (procedure "::deken::clicked_link" line 37) invoked from within "::deken::clicked_link { http://puredata.info/Members/porres/software/else/1.0-0rc1-test_with_live_e….. ." (command bound to event)" ------------------------------------------------------------ See algo the attached log. Deken also gives me an error, it says: [deken] Unable to extract package automatically. Please perform the following steps manually: 1. Unzip /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/else[v1.0-0rc1-test_with_live_electronics_tutorial](Darwin-amd64-32).dek. You might need to change the file-extension from .dek to .zip 2. Copy the contents into /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals. 3. Remove /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/else[v1.0-0rc1-test_with_live_electronics_tutorial](Darwin-amd64-32).dek. (optional) In my download folder I have an empty " *else[v1.0-0rc1-test_with_live_electronics_tutorial](Darwin-amd64-32).dek*" file of 0 bytes. same happened for cyclone/zexy and any other download attempt. I'm writing to the list because I think this should have come up before if this is a real issue, I can't be the first one facing it, anyway, I guess I should also open an issue... By the Way, the default font for the console was 10 in this install and I really think it should be "12" and I'll open a ticket for that. cheers

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Re: [PD] Using Teensy as midi compliant device
by Rick Snow 19 Apr '22

19 Apr '22

Thank you, Miller and Simon! That was totally it. Changing my midi channel to 18 on the second device solved the problem. I probably knew this about midi channel handling ~20 years ago but it has been a long time since I have tried to send midi out to more than one device. Cheers, Rick

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Deken filename too long for certain filesystems (ecryptfs on ext4)
by Roman Haefeli 19 Apr '22

19 Apr '22

Hey all While trying to install the most recent version of ELSE, Deken simply reported: "Download failed". I then tried to download with wget which succeeded, but the resulting file was named (125 characters): else[v1.0-0_beta45_with_live_electronics_tutorial](Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-i386-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Linux-arm64-32)(Linux-ar The original filename is much longer (186 chars): else[v1.0-0_beta45_with_live_electronics_tutorial](Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-i386-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Linux-arm64-32)(Linux-armv6-32)(Linux-i386-32)(Windows-amd64-32)(Windows-i386-32).dek While many filesystems use a limit of 255 chars for names, mine is bit more limited. I encrypted my home folder with ecryptfs which is a userspace filesystem on top of ext4. Because encrypting the filename requires extra space, the limit of ecryptfs for filenames is lower than the one of the underlying filesystem (which is ext4 in my case). I think having a lower limit than the common 255 characters is silly. I don't think that Deken packages should assume a smaller filename limit than 255. However, we see that the above example is not that far from that (support for a few additional archs or double-precision could reach it). Also, I wanted to share my experience. Maybe it has an impact on the recent external double-precision file extension discussion. Roman

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Using Teensy as midi compliant device
by Rick Snow 19 Apr '22

19 Apr '22

Hello! I am working to use two Teensy devices as midi compliant devices to control a set of motors with PD. I have each one working as expected. One Teensy expects midi info on Channel 1 and the other on Channel 2. Each Teensy Device is given its own name. When I try to use them both at the same time (plug in both to my Mac) I can see both of them in the Midi Devices. However, only the first one I choose will accept midi values and move the motors. Whichever one I choose second will not react when I send it midi data. Anyone else worked with multiple Teensy Midi devices and PD? Cheers, Rick

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help testing/reporting documentation issue with cyclone on windows/linux
by Alexandre Torres Porres 18 Apr '22

18 Apr '22

Hi, I got some reports that Cyclone's help files don't work on Windows and Linux and a 'tcl/tk' errors pop up. Can anyone confirm this? I need someone who can compile and test if I have fixed it and also give me a good report. It all seems to work just fine on macOS. thanks

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Puredata.info partly down
by IOhannes m zmölnig 17 Apr '22

17 Apr '22

Am 17. April 2022 00:29:37 MESZ schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com>: >hmmm, I see now the same problem in my old mac with mojave... so yeah, >might be a server thing Indeed, there seems to be some problem with puredata.info, that also effects up- and download of deken packages. I'm currently afk but will try to look into it this evening (CEST). mfg.sfg.jfd IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Ann external source or 64-bit build?
by Dan Wilcox 12 Apr '22

12 Apr '22

I could be wrong, but I don't believe anyone has taken over maintenance of [ann]. The original sources are still in the SVN export to git.puredata.info <http://git.puredata.info/>: http://git.puredata.info/cgit/svn2git/libraries/ann.git/ <http://git.puredata.info/cgit/svn2git/libraries/ann.git/> If there is interest, we could push this to the pd-externals group on GitHub, add pd-lib-builder support, then someone can take over maintenance. You perhaps? :) > On Apr 11, 2022, at 9:48 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 09:38:51 +0300 > From: Alexandros <adrcki(a)gmail.com <mailto:adrcki@gmail.com>> > To: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: [PD] Ann external source or 64-bit build? > Message-ID: <92b19048-4b59-2270-9880-f3554d9185f3(a)gmail.com <mailto:92b19048-4b59-2270-9880-f3554d9185f3@gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > I run into [ann] in Pd's website > (http://puredata.info/Members/dmorelli/ann/ann/ <http://puredata.info/Members/dmorelli/ann/ann/>) from the Fann homepage > and downloaded the Linux version, but it's a 32-bit build and Pd can't > load it. I can't find it in deken. Anyone (IOhannes maybe, since you > have provided the Linux build) has the source code so I can try to > compile (any compilation instructions would be great too). > > Thanks, > Alexandros -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Ann external source or 64-bit build?
by Alexandros 11 Apr '22

11 Apr '22

I run into [ann] in Pd's website (http://puredata.info/Members/dmorelli/ann/ann/) from the Fann homepage and downloaded the Linux version, but it's a 32-bit build and Pd can't load it. I can't find it in deken. Anyone (IOhannes maybe, since you have provided the Linux build) has the source code so I can try to compile (any compilation instructions would be great too). Thanks, Alexandros

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