Pd-list November 2022

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Re: [PD] Apple Silicon (M1 Pro, M1 Max, M2) questions
by Dan Wilcox 23 Nov '22

23 Nov '22

My home machine is an M1 laptop and the work machine is an M1 Pro. Both run Pd fine and any externals which are compiled for arm64. If the external is built using pd-lib-builder, it's relatively easy to build for arm64 and there are already numerous external builds which support arm64 on "deken' aka "Find externals." What you may be finding is that early on, people weren't able to run native externals because there weren't any precompiled for amr64 yet. Now there are many. Worst case, you can force running as x86_64 using Rosetta: Right-click on .app -> Get Info, check Open in Rosetta. > On Nov 23, 2022, at 5:19 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 11:03:49 +0000 > From: "kerry l. hagan" <klhagan(a)gmail.com <mailto:klhagan@gmail.com>> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Subject: [PD] Apple Silicon (M1 Pro, M1 Max, M2) questions > Message-ID: <E590C001-DF7A-4C8D-91BD-8105F498EF0E(a)gmail.com <mailto:E590C001-DF7A-4C8D-91BD-8105F498EF0E@gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi all, > > I need to update my laptop, and I?m trying to decide between M1 Pro, M1 Max and M2. CPU benchmarks show that M1 Max runs fastest, but Miller told me that it may not handle Pd?s real time processes, that he saw messages about problems. So when I Googled and also searched this list, I?m finding issues with externals and compiling, but nothing specific about vanilla Pd, no externals, running poorly on Apple chips. > > They?ve been out for a while (except M2), so maybe you all can advise? > > Thanks, > > Kerry -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 212, Issue 35
by Philip Stone 23 Nov '22

23 Nov '22

Hi Kerry, I’ve been running my system on M1/Monterrey-Pd 53.0 with no issues, and am enjoying the performance boost immensely. Any externals I haven’t been able to get, I’ve compiled (I can’t speak for GEM, though). You say: “Miller told me that it may not handle Pd’s real time processes, that he saw messages about problems.” That would certainly be a concern! I haven’t heard anything about this; can you (or Miller) please elaborate? Phil Stone Davis, CA USA >From: "kerry l. hagan" <klhagan(a)gmail.com> >Subject: [PD] Apple Silicon (M1 Pro, M1 Max, M2) questions >Message-ID: <E590C001-DF7A-4C8D-91BD-8105F498EF0E(a)gmail.com> >Hi all, >I need to update my laptop, and I?m trying to decide between M1 Pro, M1 Max and M2. CPU benchmarks show that M1 Max runs fastest, >but Miller told me that it may not handle Pd?s real time processes, that he saw messages about problems. So when I Googled and also >searched this list, I?m finding issues with externals and compiling, but nothing specific about vanilla Pd, no externals, running poorly on >Apple chips. >They’ve been out for a while (except M2), so maybe you all can advise? >Thanks, >Kerry

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OsX : pd 53.0 or pd 52.2 now :)
by Jean-Marie Adrien 23 Nov '22

23 Nov '22

Hello list I have an important production in January, and have to do it on OsX Monterey M1. The thing is that I have to upgrade old complicated historical things in 32 bits (yes !) finally to 64 bits at this occasion and, I began last month to have a feel about this task, by running pd 52.2 with rosetta on Monterey a couple of hours, and it seemed feasible. Went back to this job today, and pd disappeared from the apple mini Mac (because of automartic upgrade of Monterey !) and all what has to be found on the net now, thanks to everyone and particularly Miller, is the brand new pd 53.0 : Basic questions concerning this new version 1- no need of rosetta (on Monterey M1) I guess ? 2 - are most common libraries (gem) available in this format or is it better to find somewhere a pd 52.2 and go with rosetta and old 64 bits libraries until everything is « available » Thanks to all :) JM

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RNBO in Max, streamlined export workflow
by Max 23 Nov '22

23 Nov '22

Hi list, you probably have heard what happened in Max-land: There is a new export workflow which lets Max users create C++ code, RPi code or VST3 plugins from a subset of Max objects called RNBO [1]. It's kind of like what Heavy/HVCC [2] and Camomile [3] are for Pd, but with a streamlined point and click workflow. This left me wondering if something like that could be possible in Pd. Have a menu item to export as a plugin running libpd or exporting a patch to C/C++ using heavy (or highlighting not supported objects in the patch in case it fails). What do you think? m. [1] https://rnbo.cycling74.com [2] https://github.com/Wasted-Audio/hvcc [3] https://github.com/pierreguillot/Camomile

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Apple Silicon (M1 Pro, M1 Max, M2) questions
by kerry l. hagan 23 Nov '22

23 Nov '22

Hi all, I need to update my laptop, and I’m trying to decide between M1 Pro, M1 Max and M2. CPU benchmarks show that M1 Max runs fastest, but Miller told me that it may not handle Pd’s real time processes, that he saw messages about problems. So when I Googled and also searched this list, I’m finding issues with externals and compiling, but nothing specific about vanilla Pd, no externals, running poorly on Apple chips. They’ve been out for a while (except M2), so maybe you all can advise? Thanks, Kerry

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[OT] Dev gig in Montreal
by Dafydd Hughes 22 Nov '22

22 Nov '22

Hey everyone Mods please remove if this isn’t allowed. I haven’t posted here in a while, but I’ve enjoyed lurking, and am glad the community’s still active. I have a friend in Montreal who’s looking for someone local-ish to help him with some sound/interactive/RPi projects. They’re not explicitly Pd, although I believe that would be an option; however, if you’re into Pd you’re probably the sort of person who could do the work. I know one of these has a pretty short timeline; not sure about others. I can vouch for him that he’s a super good person and won’t be a jerk. If you think you might be interested, please contact me directly at dafydd61(a)pm.me and I’ll put you in touch. Cheers Dafydd

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some gui objects with grey background in help patches?
by Peter P. 22 Nov '22

22 Nov '22

Hi, I just noticed that in 0.53.0 help patches (eg. testtone.pd) some GUI objects like toggle or bang appear with grey backgrounds instead of the default white ones. Is this a bug or a specific feature of the overhauled documentation? thanks! P

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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 212, Issue 22
by bbob 20 Nov '22

20 Nov '22

---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com> > To: "Peter P." <peterparker(a)fastmail.com>, pd-list(a)lists.iem.at > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:07:56 -0300 > Subject: Re: [PD] some gui objects with grey background in help patches? > …. I see your point, but I don't think you can speak for others… > > > If it’s a matter of group consensus, I would add a vote against the colored backgrounds. As a professor, it is not helpful when teaching - I’ll introduce that topic when appropriate. And a primary stated purpose of the help files is to allow easy copy/paste code examples, so they should focus only on the object of help file, not any additional GUI design enhancements. - bbob d.

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metro and dsp error interacting
by Simon Iten 16 Nov '22

16 Nov '22

hi, i have pd 0.52 running on a raspberry 4 for an art installation. i don't need audio, so initially i disabled the dsp. i noticed that occasionally a [metro 1000] that i loadbanged was banging constantly (very very fast). after i enabled the dsp, this does not happen anymore. however, as soon as i get an audio i/o error, the metro just stops outputting bangs. is this a known bug? if so, is there some way around it? or ist this a raspberry specific issue?

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Patch won't open
by Alexandros 16 Nov '22

16 Nov '22

I'm developing an external based on someone else's code, and there's a spot that causes a crash when freeing some memory, so I disabled that temporarily to check some output. I also added a t_atom pointer which I allocate before I call the function I mention here with getbytes(), and after I set some values to it and output it as a list from the first outlet of the object, I free the memory of the t_atom with freebytes(). At first it worked find and I got a list out the outlet, but when I tried to launch Pd again with this patch, Pd launches but the patch won't open. I tried to open the patch manually but again it doesn't open. Other patches open and work fine. I don't think the patch is at some place beyond my monitor, because I don't see any tab on the top part of my screen. When I open any other patch, a new tab appears there, next to the tab of Pd's console. I'm on UbuntuStudio 22.04, with Pd-0.52.2. Any ideas?

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