Pd-list June 2020

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pd_defaultbang to non-default list handler
by Jonathan Wilkes 21 Jun '20

21 Jun '20

Hi Miller, In pd_defaultbang of m_class.c, why does the list method get called with "0" for a selector instead of "&s_bang" for the c_listmethod invocation? Best,Jonathan

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Re: [PD] Help with aoo
by Christof Ressi 19 Jun '20

19 Jun '20

> so I was wondering if you had the same thing (and if you can share it > temporarily with us) Ah, yes, that was the plan. I was so busy with the online concerts that I forgot about all the other people :-) I'll try to set it up over the weekend. Christof On 19.06.2020 21:37, ffdd cchh wrote: > Hi Christof, > > Thanks for this. I wanted to write you off list to see if you can > allow me (in argentina) and my postdoc mentor at Ohio State University > to connect via aoo using a server of your own. We still have not setup > port forwarding at osu and we'd need to get permissions for that. We > have been using foo.ucsd.edu <http://foo.ucsd.edu> for quacktrip, so I > was wondering if you had the same thing (and if you can share it > temporarily with us) > > Best and more soon, > > f > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 3:28 PM Christof Ressi <info(a)christofressi.com > <mailto:info@christofressi.com>> wrote: > > Caveat: the doku folder currently is a bit messy, because many > parts refer to the original AoO project from ca. 2010 and the > seperation is not always very clear... > > For using the library, the readme.rst and the help patches should > be sufficient. > > But I just realized that I forgot to install aoo_server-help.pd > and the readme.rst... *facepalm*. This is fixed now on master, > just grab the most recent build on > https://git.iem.at/cm/aoo/pipelines. > > Christof > > On 19.06.2020 19:03, ffdd cchh wrote: >> Thanks for the doku directory! I'll check it out more closely now >> and start using it. >> >> Congrats on this really cool project! >> >> f >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 7:34 AM Christof Ressi >> <info(a)christofressi.com <mailto:info@christofressi.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, the documentation for aoo_server/aoo_client was missing, >> but I've >> know pushed it to develop. I'll try to upload a new >> pre-release to deken >> today. In the meantime, you can grab the latest binaries from >> here: >> https://git.iem.at/cm/aoo/pipelines >> >> Any testing and feedback is highly appreciated! Don't >> hesitate to open >> an issue at Gitlab if you encounter any troubles or have >> questions. >> >> Christof >> >> On 19.06.2020 04:57, Fede Camara Halac wrote: >> > Great! Thanks, Christof, I'll get the develop branch and go >> from there. If helpful I can test things out. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > f >> > >> >> On Jun 18, 2020, at 10:35 PM, Christof Ressi >> <info(a)christofressi.com <mailto:info@christofressi.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> so I wanted to know if aoo also sends audio back and >> forth to peers behind home routers >> >> Not in 2.0-pre1, but it's already implemented on develop. >> I'll try to finally get a new version out as soon as possible. >> >> >> >> Christof >> >> >> >>> On 19.06.2020 03:04, Fede Camara Halac wrote: >> >>> Hi list, >> >>> >> >>> I've been trying to use aoo but I am having troubles >> following the help files. Is there any other place I can go >> look for documentation? I looked through the VRR proyect, but >> I also fail to see the network logic behind that. >> >>> >> >>> I have been using Miller's quacktrip~, so I wanted to >> know if aoo also sends audio back and forth to peers behind >> home routers (i.e., without having port forwarding enabled). >> >>> >> >>> Any pointers will be helpful! Thanks in advance. >> >>> >> >>> f >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Christof Ressi >> <info(a)christofressi.com <mailto:info@christofressi.com>> wrote: >> >>>> Hi Marco, >> >>>> >> >>>> thanks for testing! I think aoo 2.0-pre1 is broken on >> macOS. This has been fixed on develop (together with many >> other things). I'd suggest to wait for the next release, >> however, which will come beginning of next week. >> >>>> >> >>>> Best, >> >>>> >> >>>> Christof >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 16.05.2020 03:18, Marco Schretter wrote: >> >>>>> dear winfried, dear christof, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> thanks! aoo 2.0-pre1 is running on my linux machines. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> on osx i tried it with the deken version and my >> compiled git-version but i get no bangs on the ping-button, >> no sound on the receiver side when i [start( . but i see all >> sinks/sources with [list(. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> after opening patches: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> new aoo server on port 9999 >> >>>>> new aoo server on port 9998 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> input device 0, channels 1 >> >>>>> output device 2, channels 2 >> >>>>> framesperbuf 64, nbufs 60 >> >>>>> rate 48000 >> >>>>> ... opened OK. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> after add: >> >>>>> aoo_receive~: source 127.0.0.1 9998 1 >> >>>>> aoo_receive~: source 127.0.0.1 9999 1 >> >>>>> SINK: 127.0.0.1 9999 1 >> >>>>> SINK: 127.0.0.1 9998 1 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> i don't get errors in the console but in the the >> terminal after clicking [start( and/or [pd dsp 1(: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> DSP tick(s) took too long! >> >>>>> sendto: Invalid argument (22) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> osx 10.13.6 >> >>>>> pd-0.50-0 (and others) >> >>>>> aoo 2.0-pre1 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> yours, >> >>>>> m >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Am 04.04.20 um 13:37 schrieb Winfried Ritsch: >> >>>>>> Thats fine, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> you can get a compiled newest version compiled by >> gitlab CI in >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> https://git.iem.at/cm/aoo/pipelines/4075 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> also I hope deken packages are out soon with a new >> version V2.0-a2 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> mfg winfried >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Am Samstag, 4. April 2020, 12:18:53 CEST schrieb Edwin >> van der Heide: >> >>>>>>> Hi Winfried, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks for news. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I’m going to learn how to compile this for macos and >> try it out. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Best, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Edwin >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On 3 Apr 2020, at 00:40, Winfried >> Ritsch<ritsch(a)iem.at <mailto:ritsch@iem.at>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Hello, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks Christof Ressi the old concept was rewritten >> and short-comes using >> >>>>>>>> the build-in network objects has been resolved and >> own networking code >> >>>>>>>> added. (see doku there for history and ideas) >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> http://git.iem.at/cm/aoo >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> (Note it is an alpha version, but beta should follow >> soon) >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The feature list is huge, but mostly: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> - it supports raw audio and opus audio codec: >> >>>>>>>> small latencies for playing together - long >> buffers for long range >> >>>>>>>> streams >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> - it supports time synchronous streaming and resend >> strategies >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> overcoming packet loss and network weakness >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> - it monitors the connections quality and latencies >> >>>>>>>> - it is prepared fot punch-hole connections trough >> firewalls and ... >> >>>>>>>> ... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> This is also a Request for Comments: >> >>>>>>>> get it - test it - use it - comment and >> report - to enhance it >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> --- >> >>>>>>>> Note: The development was done within the Streaming >> Project Reenactment >> >>>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>> "Sonic projections" in the exhibition "Primal >> energies" from Bill Fontana >> >>>>>>>> - Kunsthaus Graz using the community "FunkFeuer >> Graz" network . >> >>>>>>>> ( All artwork in museums are closed except this one >> on the facade ) >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> with a mix of Arm based streaming devices: the >> DIYasb it runs now stable >> >>>>>>>> for over a month all over Funkfeuer Graz.: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> see also:https://git.iem.at/cm/diyasb >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> mfG Winfried >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> >> mailing list >> >>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management >> ->https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> >> mailing list >> >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> >> mailing list >> >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> >> mailing list >> >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing >> list >> >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list >> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> -- >> fdch.github.io <http://fdch.github.io> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > -- > fdch.github.io <http://fdch.github.io>

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AoO Coming Out: Audio over OSC - Message based streaming solution goes public...
by Winfried Ritsch 19 Jun '20

19 Jun '20

Hello, Thanks Christof Ressi the old concept was rewritten and short-comes using the build-in network objects has been resolved and own networking code added. (see doku there for history and ideas) http://git.iem.at/cm/aoo (Note it is an alpha version, but beta should follow soon) The feature list is huge, but mostly: - it supports raw audio and opus audio codec: small latencies for playing together - long buffers for long range streams - it supports time synchronous streaming and resend strategies overcoming packet loss and network weakness - it monitors the connections quality and latencies - it is prepared fot punch-hole connections trough firewalls and ... ... This is also a Request for Comments: get it - test it - use it - comment and report - to enhance it --- Note: The development was done within the Streaming Project Reenactment for "Sonic projections" in the exhibition "Primal energies" from Bill Fontana - Kunsthaus Graz using the community "FunkFeuer Graz" network . ( All artwork in museums are closed except this one on the facade ) with a mix of Arm based streaming devices: the DIYasb it runs now stable for over a month all over Funkfeuer Graz.: see also: https://git.iem.at/cm/diyasb mfG Winfried -- -- - ao.Univ.Prof. DI Winfried Ritsch - ritsch(a)iem.at - http://iem.at/ritsch - Institut fuer Elektronische Musik und Akustik - University of Music and Dramatic Art Graz - Tel. ++43-316-389-3510 (3170) Fax ++43-316-389-3171 --

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[pd] mrpeach under raspbian
by Maik Hester 19 Jun '20

19 Jun '20

Hello list, does anyone know how to get mrpeach running under raspbian? Neither adding pd-mrpeach, setting the search path to /usr/lib/pd/extra, declaring [declare -path mrpeach] nor [declare /usr/lib/pd/extra] lent to any success. Pd is still not able to create [slipdec] [unpackOSC] and [routeOSC], and the program crashes/closes/vanishes a couple of seconds after opening the patch (which is working fine under ubuntu and OSX). What else can I do to get the patch running on the raspberry-pi? Thanks for any help, Maik

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Re: [PD] Quicktime Synth via IAC Bus from Pd?
by Dan Wilcox 19 Jun '20

19 Jun '20

I have used SimpleSynth for this for many years. Just pipe Pd's output to it via an IAC bus. http://notahat.com/simplesynth/ <http://notahat.com/simplesynth/> He hasn't updated it for quite a while and it no longer runs on macOS 10.15, but the source code is on Github. I actually updated his other app for 64-bit & modern OS's, MIDIPatchbay, so maybe we should just bug him for SimpleSynth. > On Jun 18, 2020, at 5:37 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 08:00:32 -0400 > From: mitchell turner <mmturner2468(a)gmail.com <mailto:mmturner2468@gmail.com>> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Cc: peterparker(a)fastmail.com <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] Quicktime Synth via IAC Bus from Pd? > Message-ID: <9F19D16E-1012-4B81-8D83-36F971252F86(a)gmail.com <mailto:9F19D16E-1012-4B81-8D83-36F971252F86@gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Peter, > I have not been able to find a simple MIDI test synth either. So, I made one using Max. It is very, very simple, made for testing only. It may do want you want. You can find it here: > http://home.lagrange.edu/mturner/MitchWebSite/max_and_pd_stuff.html <http://home.lagrange.edu/mturner/MitchWebSite/max_and_pd_stuff.html><http://home.lagrange.edu/mturner/MitchWebSite/max_and_pd_stuff.html <http://home.lagrange.edu/mturner/MitchWebSite/max_and_pd_stuff.html>> > > Apologies if I have replied incorrectly, I only get the digest version of the PD List. > > Hope it helps, > Mitch > > >> On Jun 18, 2020, at 4:25 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at> wrote: >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:26:05 +0200 >> From: "Peter P." <peterparker(a)fastmail.com <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com> <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com>>> >> To: pd-list <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>> >> Subject: [PD] Quicktime Synth via IAC Bus from Pd? >> Message-ID: <20200618082605.btuqo77yycekwuip(a)fastmail.com <mailto:20200618082605.btuqo77yycekwuip@fastmail.com><mailto:20200618082605.btuqo77yycekwuip@fastmail.com <mailto:20200618082605.btuqo77yycekwuip@fastmail.com>>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi list, >> >> when I still had to use OS X there was the Quicktime synthesizer >> available as a Midi software synthesizer in the OS. >> It was quite handy to quickly play a few notes from Pd's Midi objects. >> It seems to be gone from current (mobile-phone-like) versions of OS X. Is >> this correct? Is there an alternative inside the OS or can anyone >> recommend a good (preferable open source) replacement that works over >> the IAC bus? >> >> Thanks! >> P -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Quicktime Synth via IAC Bus from Pd?
by Peter P. 18 Jun '20

18 Jun '20

Hi list, when I still had to use OS X there was the Quicktime synthesizer available as a Midi software synthesizer in the OS. It was quite handy to quickly play a few notes from Pd's Midi objects. It seems to be gone from current (mobile-phone-like) versions of OS X. Is this correct? Is there an alternative inside the OS or can anyone recommend a good (preferable open source) replacement that works over the IAC bus? Thanks! P

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Sema: Summer Workshop in Live Coding and Machine Learning
by thor list 18 Jun '20

18 Jun '20

Hi all, Would you like to use machine learning as part of musical live coding? Would you like to create your own live coding language? This summer we are running a free week-long workshop that will take place online, starting June 29th. With online videos, daily one-hour Zoom sessions and follow-up online hangouts, we will get you up and running using our new technologies for using machine learning in live coding. In the workshop we will use the new Sema system for live coding in the browser. Further information and registration here: http://www.emutelab.org/blog/Semaworkshop <http://www.emutelab.org/blog/Semaworkshop> The workshop is open to all, wherever you are whatever your experience and background is. We are seeking a diverse group of people in this workshop and we hope that our virtual workshop will enable people from all over the world to participate. The Zoom sessions take place at 3pm UK time, so in addition to Europe, this would hopefully enable people in Asia, Africa and the Americas to participate. Looking forward to meet you this summer, Francisco, Chris, and Thor :: Sema is part of the MIMIC project: www.mimicproject.com <http://www.mimicproject.com/> and is funded by the UK Arts and Humanities Research Council ::

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Re: [PD] Quicktime Synth via IAC Bus from Pd?
by mitchell turner 18 Jun '20

18 Jun '20

Peter, I have not been able to find a simple MIDI test synth either. So, I made one using Max. It is very, very simple, made for testing only. It may do want you want. You can find it here: http://home.lagrange.edu/mturner/MitchWebSite/max_and_pd_stuff.html <http://home.lagrange.edu/mturner/MitchWebSite/max_and_pd_stuff.html> Apologies if I have replied incorrectly, I only get the digest version of the PD List. Hope it helps, Mitch > On Jun 18, 2020, at 4:25 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:26:05 +0200 > From: "Peter P." <peterparker(a)fastmail.com <mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com>> > To: pd-list <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: [PD] Quicktime Synth via IAC Bus from Pd? > Message-ID: <20200618082605.btuqo77yycekwuip(a)fastmail.com <mailto:20200618082605.btuqo77yycekwuip@fastmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi list, > > when I still had to use OS X there was the Quicktime synthesizer > available as a Midi software synthesizer in the OS. > It was quite handy to quickly play a few notes from Pd's Midi objects. > It seems to be gone from current (mobile-phone-like) versions of OS X. Is > this correct? Is there an alternative inside the OS or can anyone > recommend a good (preferable open source) replacement that works over > the IAC bus? > > Thanks! > P

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pushing gem pix_video I/O
by Marco Schretter 18 Jun '20

18 Jun '20

dear all, unfortunately i'm forced to work with a mediaserver that is not capable to do a live-cam freeze. now i'm trying to solve this by building a osc-controlled blackbox with GEM (pix_buffer[read/write]). test-setup: decklink quad 2-8 capturecard https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/de/products/decklink/techspecs/W-DLK-30 in sonnet frame macbookpro (2013) this testpatch works ok, but with 500-1000ms latency ... https://zimt.at/cam_freeze_v01.jpeg question: how can i push the latency and make it more "real-time" (whether with pix_buffer or several pix_buffers or other objects) do you have experience how to push the GEM output to the decklink sdi-out? i guess the rendering is done on the graphics card and not on the decklink (?not openGL capable?) so mabe this is useless? so is the macbookpro graphic card the bottleneck? merci marco

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Re: [PD] media art, was: tcpserver, flush?
by Dan Wilcox 16 Jun '20

16 Jun '20

> On Jun 16, 2020, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 00:12:16 +0200 > From: IOhannes m zmölnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at <mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at>> > > rather than wait for the house to fall apart one the day before > the show. I was under the impression this was a general requirement for media art of all kinds. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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