Pd-list October 2020

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Re: [PD] Windows in Chinese, problem with paths
by Dan Wilcox 27 Oct '20

27 Oct '20

Maybe try a test with a folder / path with UTF-8 characters on your system. As IOhannes said, Pd should be able to handle it Ok. I'd also recommend they turn on Verbose and open Pd again so they can send you the whole text outputted with Pd showing which paths it's trying. If we see broken strings there, then we'll have a better clue. > On Oct 27, 2020, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:21:40 +0100 > From: Maximiliano Estudies <maxiestudies(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxiestudies@gmail.com>> > To: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> > Subject: Re: [PD] Windows in Chinese, problem with paths > Message-ID: > <CAF358wTwakZ=h6z2i5oOPBJ6EvKUo-mMebmyr5iet1cXNdgT0A(a)mail.gmail.com <mailto:CAF358wTwakZ=h6z2i5oOPBJ6EvKUo-mMebmyr5iet1cXNdgT0A@mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear IOhannes, > > thank you for your answer. > Here is the screenshot they sent me. https://postimg.cc/GB6z9Wb0 <https://postimg.cc/GB6z9Wb0> > I'll also try to find out the character encoding and codepage they are > using, the thing is, I don't talk directly to the museum technicians in > charge of the setup, there is a representative there that translates all > the communication and he doesn't have much experience with the subject, so > I'm not sure if it will work. > I asked them to put all the abstractions and files in the same folder and > that worked. They also have access to a computer running MacOS for testing, > and the original patch with subfolders worked there without problems. > > Does the absolute path to an abstraction play a role even if using [declare > -path]? and how is this different from having both patches in the same > folder? > > Cheers, > Maxi -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Dealing with blocks of text in Pd
by Iain Duncan 27 Oct '20

27 Oct '20

Hi folks, I'm in the design stages of porting my Scheme for Max external to Pd, and have some questions already. :-) What is the best way to deal with large-ish blocks of text in Pd for sending big text messages to an object? In Max (in case readers know it) I use a textedit object to allow the user to enter several lines of code, this goes to a tosymbol to turn into one giant symbol, and then I use a prepend to get a single message that looks like the below eval-string "(define (hello-world) (post :hello-world))" The above then comes into my external as two atoms. If anyone has suggestions for the best way to do that, or knows of externals I might want to use to accomplish the above, that would be lovely. iain

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Windows in Chinese, problem with paths
by Maximiliano Estudies 27 Oct '20

27 Oct '20

Dear list, I am working on a project with people in China and sent them a project with a main patch and a couple of subfolders for abstractions and audio files. I'm using [declare -path abstractions] so PD finds the files relative to the main patch. I tested the patch (I copied the same .zip file that I'm sending) in an older windows machine I have and it works fine, but the chinese colleagues are having some trouble. They sent me a screenshot of the console and PD can't find any of the subpatches or audio files. Do you have any experience with this? They are using Pd 0.51.2 on a Windows 10 machine with the operating system in chinese. I checked and they didn't change the folder structure. Cheers, Maxi -- Maximiliano Estudies *VDT Referat Beschallung* +49 176 36784771 omslo.com maxiestudies.com

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"find last error" not working for "argument number out of range" errors
by Roman Haefeli 26 Oct '20

26 Oct '20

Hi "find last error" does not work for "argument number out of range" errors. Is there a specific reason this is so? Will it always be like this? Roman

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MIDI in vanilla?
by Alexandre Torres Porres 26 Oct '20

26 Oct '20

Hi, I thought it was best to start this discussion here rather than as a feature request on github. It feels to me Vanilla should be able to read/write MIDI files, but I wonder how. Any ideas on how this could work in a "vanilla way" (light and simple)? As for a sequencer, maybe we could use [text] or something. I'm thinking of a way to not create new objects. Perhaps [soundfiler] could handle MIDI files, but that may be pushing it too far. Well, I hope you get the idea. I wonder if this was ever discussed and if it just never got any attention cheers Alex

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Re: [PD] MIDI in vanilla?
by Dan Wilcox 26 Oct '20

26 Oct '20

Many advantages such as metadata, etc. If it seems hard to use, try my [c_midiplay] wrapper in https://github.com/danomatika/rc-patches <https://github.com/danomatika/rc-patches> > On Oct 26, 2020, at 4:31 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > >> On the other hand, mrpeach's [midifile] has always served me well and it's >> one of those things that don't really get obsolete. >> > I never used it because the organization of that help file scares me. Does > it have any advantages over cyclone/seq? -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD
by Iain Duncan 24 Oct '20

24 Oct '20

Hello, I'm the author of Scheme for Max, a relatively new open source external for Max/MSP that hosts an embedded Scheme Lisp interpreter using S7, the Scheme implementation from Bill at CCRMA, also used in Snd and Common Music. The external allows one to do things like script and live code Max in scheme, including evaluating lisp code on the fly from files or message boxes, sending messages to other objects, writing to and from common data structures, and interacting with the scheduler. I'm pretty excited about how well it's working for my purposes, and will be doing a new release this fall as part of my MMus at UVic, as well as turning it into a thesis project. I also intend to include full support for the Common Music algorithmic composition toolkit (which also is programmed in S7 scheme or SAL) I have been kicking around the idea of trying a PD port, and wanted to check whether this sounded interesting to folks in PD land. I like the idea of port because it's always good to be have one's work usable on more than one platform, and linux support would be good for low latency use cases and things like running on small machines. I expect this would be a significant amount of work though, so figured I'd see if it sounded interesting to folks first. You can get the idea of how it works from the v1 demo video if you want to see what I'm getting at. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErirIFCTdjg Comments, questions, feedback welcome. Iain

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selected atom inside gop causes TCL errors when subpatch programmatically closed
by Jean-Yves Gratius 23 Oct '20

23 Oct '20

Hi, I know this may be not supported, but since the new feature that highlights the last modified atom in a patch, closing a subpatch with [vis 0( causes tcl errors, if the subpatch contains a gop with number/symbol atoms that have been changed, before triggering [vis 0( msg. workaround : click anywhere in the gop to deselect atom, before sending [vis 0( msg. (see attached patch) pd 0.51 Thanks

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A fifth IMMEDIATE YES from New Blankets [Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain Duncan)]
by Joe Deken 23 Oct '20

23 Oct '20

Hello Ian, (Allowing for time-zones and the dateline) I would eagerly like to be the -- FIFTH IMMEDIATE HEARTY "YES" VOTE!? -- >From my own viewpoint, the introduction of LISP structures and capability into Pd would be seminal to new visions and vistas for Pd itself. (I am warped by having conversations with Chris McCormick and other aficionados of Clojure, incorrigible years myself with emacs-LISP, and even -- when dinosaurs roamed the earth, with giants such as John McCarthy -- some small bit of tme of my own in his shop and among his disciples at CSAIL. Lest my mind wander (further), I'll say this more concretely: New Blankets is happy to offer resources for your efforts if such resources would turn out to be useful. (Not the dreaded "bounty" avenue -- I'm thinking more of something like a *Pd-Weekend* at my place here in San Diego (or at yours) -- Such PdW would be a "round workbench" session as Katja dubs -- you could present your PdScheme work (when you're ready) to a hands-on group who would riff on your schemes and move them forward. At first attempt, this Pd-Weekend could even be virtual and open to all via round-workbench sessions at say: -- https://meet.jit.si/duncan_pd_scheme/ -- A personal plea ... hope you will include in your vision the wonderful ideas of Brian Harvey and his SNAP! visual-interfacing achievements. (Some antidote is needed with real LISP to counter the bogus infestation of Scratch! which seems to have taken pernicious hold world wide ...) On Thu, October 22, 2020 1:34 am, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: 1. Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain Duncan) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:14:26 -0700 > From: Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists(a)gmail.com> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at > Subject: [PD] Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for > PD > Hello, I'm the author of Scheme for Max, a relatively new open source external for Max/MSP that hosts an embedded Scheme Lisp interpreter using > S7, the Scheme implementation from Bill at CCRMA, also used in Snd and Common Music. The external allows one to do things like script and live code Max in scheme, including evaluating lisp code on the fly from files or > message boxes, sending messages to other objects, writing to and from common data structures, and interacting with the scheduler. I'm pretty excited about how well it's working for my purposes, and will be doing a new release this fall as part of my MMus at UVic, as well as turning it into a thesis project. I also intend to include full support for the Common > Music algorithmic composition toolkit (which also is programmed in S7 scheme or SAL) > > I have been kicking around the idea of trying a PD port, and wanted to check whether this sounded interesting to folks in PD land. I like the idea > of port because it's always good to be have one's work usable on more than > one platform, and linux support would be good for low latency use cases and > things like running on small machines. I expect this would be a > significant > amount of work though, so figured I'd see if it sounded interesting to folks first. > > You can get the idea of how it works from the v1 demo video if you want to > see what I'm getting at. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErirIFCTdjg > > Comments, questions, feedback welcome. > > Iain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:35:01 +0200 > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at> ... > so now that you ask: i think it would be great. > > gfadmsr > IOhannes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:56:16 +0200 > From: "Peter P." <peterparker(a)fastmail.com> ... > It would be great to have esp common list available in Pd as part of an open-source licensed external indeed. > ------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:49:59 +0100 > From: Andy Farnell <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> .... > > Would love to see Scheme come to Pd. > Thanks for that Iain. > > Andy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:27:10 +0200 > From: ub <ub(a)xdv.org> .... > i first met functional programming with fluxus and it turned my head inside out. %-) > > would be absolutely great to have that in pd! > > cheers, > > ub

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quacktrip - jacktrip (low-latency audio) from behind home routers
by Miller Puckette 19 Oct '20

19 Oct '20

To Pd list - This is very preliminary, but some of you might be interested in this. I've been working for the last month or two on making an easy-ti-use implementation of jacktrip to allow people stuck at home to play music together. A test version of this is available on msp.ucsd.edu/tools/quacktrip . The jacktrip implementation is based on the one in TPM by Roman Haefeli and Johannes Schuett (sorry for the no-diacritical spelling). It's been tried out by 4 or 5 people so far, seems to work with some hiccups. I'll be getting back to work on it after Pd 0.51-0 gets finalized. cheers Miller

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