Pd-list January 2020

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Re: [PD] netreceive vs mrpeach/udpreceive in batch mode
by Christof Ressi 27 Jan '20

27 Jan '20

I don't know what your actual patch looks like, but if it's just about sending some messages at the beginning, you can use the "-send" command line option: -send "msg..." -- send a message at startup, after patches are loaded "msg..." can be any number of messages delimited by semicolons, e.g. "foo 1 2 3; bar 10; baz 5;" Christof > Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 um 11:40 Uhr > Von: "Christof Ressi" <christof.ressi(a)gmx.at> > An: "Charles Z Henry" <czhenry(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at> > Betreff: Re: [PD] netreceive vs mrpeach/udpreceive in batch mode > > Hi, > > > I'm guessing that mrpeach/udpreceive and netreceive have different > > polling behavior that can explain this, but I don't see it yet. Is > > there anyone reading, who's dealt with this issue before? > > They actually use the same polling mechanism. I tried to receive OSC messages with [mrpeach/udpreceive] while running it batch mode and it doesn't work, just like I expected. Are saying this works for you? I would be quite surprised... > > As the ticket on sourceforge mentions, there's no explicit call to sys_pollgui() in batch mode *) - which by the way is a misnomer because it polls *all* sockets -, so I don't see how [mrpeach/udpreceive] could work under such circumstances. > > > I have been writing a patch to send messages to/from a subprocess in > > batch mode. First, I wrote the patch with mrpeach's > > udpsend/udpreceive and got it working. It's just a simple handshake: > > I think the real problem is that you're using batch mode for the wrong job. In batch mode, Pd will run as fast as possible to get a certain task done. If you wait for incoming network traffic while in batch mode, you're just busy waiting and wasting lots of CPU cycles. Just use Pd in realtime mode instead! > > Or is there a specific reason why you think you need to receive messages while running in batch mode? > > > Here the cpu load goes to 100% > > This is totally expected, as you want to run your task as fast as possible. > > Christof > > *) to be correct, there is a hidden call to sys_pollgui() if there are more than 5000 clock timeouts in a given scheduler tick (see sched_tick()) > > > Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2020 um 02:20 Uhr > > Von: "Charles Z Henry" <czhenry(a)gmail.com> > > An: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at> > > Betreff: [PD] netreceive vs mrpeach/udpreceive in batch mode > > > > Hi list, > > > > I have been writing a patch to send messages to/from a subprocess in > > batch mode. First, I wrote the patch with mrpeach's > > udpsend/udpreceive and got it working. It's just a simple handshake: > > > > the toplevel process starts listening on port 16000 for a message [1 > > 1(. When it receives that message, it sends back a message [1 > > subprocess#( to localhost port 15999. > > > > The subprocess starts up, listens on port 15999 and sends a message [1 > > 1( to localhost port 16000. When it gets a message [1 n( on port > > 15999, it outputs n as the subprocess #, and opens a new port 16000+n > > (and closes 15999). > > > > This was fine, except udpsend/receive pairs exchange binary numbers > > (0-255). It will work, but it doesn't make the patches as easily > > readable. It will still be possible to pass integers larger than 255 > > with a little patching, but some flexibility would be nice. > > > > I thought "netsend -u"/"netreceive -u" would make a good replacement > > with text instead. > > > > It runs fine during the first part of testing with the GUI. I test > > "-nogui". Also fine. Then, "-batch" added. Here the cpu load goes > > to 100% (which didn't happen with mrpeach udpsend/receive). I'm able > > to strace and see the first message [1 1( sent. Then, the process > > keeps on going but doesn't receive any further UDP messages. > > > > I'm able to find a sourceforge ticket from 2012: > > https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/bugs/943/ > > and basically, I'm looking for the same usage case which is batch mode > > processing under supervision from another Pd process. > > > > I'm guessing that mrpeach/udpreceive and netreceive have different > > polling behavior that can explain this, but I don't see it yet. Is > > there anyone reading, who's dealt with this issue before? > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >

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font issues/questions, and also discrepancies between operating systems
by Alexandre Torres Porres 25 Jan '20

25 Jan '20

Hi, I've been updating and fixing cyclone/comment and I realized Pd loads similar but different fonts depending on the operating system. I looked closely and, for instance, if you have a label font for a iemgui (such as a slider) with "helvetica", it will look a bit differently in Linux, and it seems this is because Linux loads a similar but not actually 'helvetica'? I don't know, I'm confused, I'm asking. So, it seems the only way to guarantee things will look exactly the same is if you have 'DejaVu Sans Mono', cause now Pd loads this very same font indeed for all operating systems, right? For that matter, I updated whole of cyclone's documentation so it loads 'DejaVu Sans Mono' for all cyclone/comment objects. Now a question about loading fonts that concerns cyclone/comment. If I ask it load a font name that it is not present, it will load some default font and I just don't really know which one it is. How can I find out? It seems this 'default' font is also different for each operating system. How can I find out? Thanks

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[pd~] subprocess in libpd ?
by Matt Davey 25 Jan '20

25 Jan '20

Has anyone had any luck getting [pd~] subprocesses working from within libpd?

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externals naming conventions
by Orm Finnendahl 24 Jan '20

24 Jan '20

Hi, does anybody have infos about naming conventions for different formats of binary externals and their loading priority? I'm aware of the following extensions: Linux: *.l_ia64 (64-bit) *.l_i386 (32-bit) *.pd_linux (indifferent of bitsize?) OSX: *.pd_darwin Windows: *.pd_windows Are there any conventions for distinguishing 32-bit and 64-bit on OSX and Windows? Is there a recommended way? -- Orm

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[PD-announce] First Call for Papers: 2020 Joint Conference on AI Music Creativity (CSMC + MuMe)
by Andre Holzapfel 23 Jan '20

23 Jan '20

First Call for Papers: 2020 Joint Conference on AI Music Creativity (CSMC + MuMe) Oct 22-24 2020 @ KTH and KMH, Stockholm, Sweden http://kth.se/aimusic2020 The computational simulation of musical creativity continues to be an exciting and significant area of academic research, and is now making impacts in commercial realms. Such systems pose several theoretical and technical challenges, and are the result of an interdisciplinary effort that encompasses the domains of music, artificial intelligence, cognitive science and philosophy. This can be seen within the broader realm of Musical Metacreation, which studies the design and use of such generative tools and theories for music making: discovery and exploration of novel musical styles and content, collaboration between human performers and creative software “partners”, and design of systems in gaming and entertainment that dynamically generate or modify music. The 2020 Joint Conference on AI Music Creativity brings together for the first time two overlapping but distinct research forums: The Computer Simulation of Music Creativity conference (https://csmc2018.wordpress.com, est. 2016), and The International Workshop on Musical Metacreation (http://musicalmetacreation.org, est. 2012). The principal goal is to bring together scholars and artists interested in the virtual emulation of musical creativity and its use for music creation, and to provide an interdisciplinary platform to promote, present and discuss their work in scientific and artistic contexts. The three-day program will feature two keynotes, research paper presentations, demonstrations, discussion panels, and two concerts. Keynote lectures will be delivered by Professor Emeritus Dr. Johan Sundberg (Speech, Music and Hearing, KTH, https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=UXXUEcoAAAAJ <https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=UXXUEcoAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao>) and Dr. Alice Eldridge (Music, Sussex University, UK, https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=uvFGFagAAAAJ). Topics We encourage submissions of work on topics related to CSMC and MuMe, including, but not limited to, the following: Systems * systems capable of analysing music; * systems capable of generating music; * systems capable of performing music; * systems capable of (online) improvisation; * systems for learning or modeling music style and structure; * systems for intelligently remixing or recombining musical material; * systems in sound synthesis, or automatic synthesizer design; * adaptive music generation systems; * music-robotic systems; * systems implementing societies of virtual musicians; * systems that foster and enhance the musical creativity of human users; * music recommendation systems; * systems implementing computational aesthetics, emotional responses, novelty and originality; * applications of CSMC and/or MuMe for digital entertainment: sound design, soundtracks, interactive art, etc. Theory * surveys of state-of-the-art techniques in the research area; * novel representations of musical information; * methodologies for qualitative or quantitative evaluation of CSMC and/or MuMe systems; * philosophical foundations of CSMC and/or MuMe; * mathematical foundations of CSMC and/or MuMe; * evolutionary models for CSMC and/or MuMe; * cognitive models for CSMC and/or MuMe; * studies on the applicability of music-creative techniques to other research areas; * new models for improving CSMC and/or MuMe; * emerging musical styles and approaches to music production and performance involving the use of CSMC and/or MuMe systems * authorship and legal implications of CSMC and/or MuMe; * future directions of CSMC and/or MuMe. Paper Submission Format There are three formats for paper submissions: * Full papers (8 pages maximum, not including references); * Work-in-progress papers (5 pages maximum, not including references); * Demonstrations (3 pages maximum, not including references). The templates will be released early 2020, and EasyChair submission link opened soon thereafter. Please check the conference website for updates: http://kth.se/aimusic2020 Since we will use single-blind reviewing, submissions do not have to be anonymized. Each submission will receive at least three reviews. All papers should be submitted as complete works. Demo systems should be tested and working by the time of submission, rather than be speculative. We encourage audio and video material to accompany and illustrate the papers (especially for demos). We ask that authors arrange for their web hosting of audio and video files, and give URL links to all such files within the text of the submitted paper. Accepted full papers will be published in a proceedings with an ISBN. Furthermore, selected papers will be invited for expansion and consideration for publication in the Journal of Creative Music Systems (https://www.jcms.org.uk). Important Dates Paper submission deadline: August 14 2020 Paper notification: September 18 2020 Camera-ready paper deadline: October 2 2020 Presentation and Multimedia Equipment: We will provide a video projection system as well as a stereo audio system for use by presenters at the venue. Additional equipment required for presentations and demonstrations should be supplied by the presenters. Contact the Conference Chair (bobs(a)kth.se <mailto:bobs@kth.se>) to discuss any special equipment and setup needs/concerns. Attendance At least one author of each accepted submission should register for the conference by Sep. 25, 2020, and attend the workshop to present their contribution. Papers without authors will be withdrawn. Please check the conference website for details on registration: http://kth.se/aimusic2020 About the Conference The event is hosted by the Division of Speech, Music and Hearing, School of Electrical and Computer Engineering (KTH) in collaboration with the Royal Conservatory of Music (KMH). Conference chair: Bob L. T. Sturm, Division of Speech, Music and Hearing, KTH Paper chair: Andy Elmsley, CTO Melodrive Music chair: Mattias Sköld, Instutitionen för komposition, dirigering och musikteori, KMH Panel chair: Oded Ben-Tal, Department of Performing Arts, Kingston University, UK Publicity chair: André Holzapfel, Division of Media Technology and Interaction Design, KTH Sound and music computing chair: Roberto Bresin, Division of Media Technology and Interaction Design, KTH Questions & Requests Please direct any inquiries/suggestions/special requests to the Conference Chair (bobs(a)kth.se <mailto:bobs@kth.se>). -- Kind regards Andre Holzapfel, Ph.D. (Computer Science) Ph.D. (Ethnomusicology) Assistant Professor KTH Royal Institute of Technology School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Media Technology and Interaction Design www.kth.se/profile/holzap _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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[PD-announce] ICAD 2020 :: Call for Papers
by Kyla McMullen 23 Jan '20

23 Jan '20

(Apologies for cross-postings) ICAD 2020 Call for Submission of Papers, Extended Abstracts, Workshops, and Tutorials26th International Conference on Auditory DisplayUniversity of Florida, Gainesville, FL, USAJune 7-11 2020THEME: “SAFE AND SOUND” Sound is used in a wide variety of applications to alert listeners to the status of a person or environment. At ICAD 2020, we want to highlight sonification work that is used to maintain awareness in some capacity (outside navigation, hospitals, air traffic control, etc). Papers are not limited to this theme, as we will value and embrace all types of submissions, including papers, posters, multimedia (videos/audios), demos, and concert pieces. First held in 1992, ICAD is a highly interdisciplinary academic conference with relevance to researchers, practitioners, musicians, and students interested in the design of sounds to support tasks, improve performance, guide decisions, augment awareness, and enhance experiences. It is unique in its singular focus on auditory displays and the array of perception, technology, and application areas that this encompasses. Like its predecessors, ICAD 2020 will be a single-track conference, open to all, with no membership or affiliation requirements. ICAD 2020, the 26th International Conference on Auditory Display, will be held at the University of Florida, June 7 to 11, 2020. The graduate student ThinkTank (doctoral consortium) will be held on Sunday, June 7, before the main conference. PAPERS AND EXTENDED ABSTRACTS The ICAD 2020 committee is seeking papers and extended abstracts that will contribute to knowledge of how sonification can support awareness in various contexts. For details on topics of interest, proposal format, submission instructions, and additional conference information please visit http://icad2020.icad.org , where details will be updated as they are made available. WORKSHOPS AND TUTORIALS ICAD workshops and tutorials provide in-depth opportunities for conference attendees to discuss and explore important aspects of the field of auditory display with like-minded researchers and practitioners. Sessions can range from applications and programming methodologies to interdisciplinary research skills, emerging research areas, and challenge problems, to sonification/compositional Maker-sessions. IMPORTANT DATES: - Monday, March 2, 2020 - Deadline for submission of full papers - Monday, March 9, 2020 - Deadline for submission of workshops and tutorials - Monday, March 9, 2020 - Deadline for submission to student think tank - Monday, April 6, 2020 - Deadline for submission to sonification concert and installations - Friday, April 10, 2020 - Notification of decisions - Monday, April 20, 2020 - Extended abstract submission (some full paper submissions may be recommended for the extended abstract category) Papers Chair - Bruce Walker - icad2020papers(a)icad.org Workshop Chair - Derek Brock - icad2020workshops(a)icad.org Sponsorship Chair - Myounghoon (Philart) Jeon - icad2020sponsorship(a)icad.org Think Tank Chair - Areti Andreopoulou - icad2020thinktank(a)icad.org Communications Chair - Katie Wolf - icad2020accessibility(a)icad.org Steering Chair - Matti Gröhn - icad2020steering(a)icad.org Conference Chair - Kyla McMullen - icad2020chair(a)icad.org -- Kyla McMullen Chair of ICAD 2020: http://icad2020.icad.org -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Kyla A. McMullen, Ph.D. Web: http://www.kylamcmullen.com LinkedIn: KylaMcMullen <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyla-mcmullen-16902222> Twitter: @Dr_Kyla <https://twitter.com/Dr_Kyla> Facebook: Kyla McMullen <https://www.facebook.com/kyla.mcmullen.90/> Google Scholar: Kyla McMullen <https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?hl=en&user=DzvXnyoAAAAJ> Need a synchronous conversation? <http://calendly.com/kyla-mcmullen> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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[PD-announce] Call: Audio Mostly Sep 15-17 Graz 2020 submit paper/workshop/music contribution until May 1st.
by Marian Weger 23 Jan '20

23 Jan '20

Audio Mostly 2020 (AM'20) calls for Papers, Demos, Workshops, and Music & Installations on the topic of audio mostly in extended realities. Audio Mostly is an audio-focused interdisciplinary conference on design, technology, and interaction with sound that embraces applied theory and practice-oriented research. As in previous years, the conference will be in-cooperation with ACM/SIGCHI (tbc). The Institute of Electronic Music and Acoustics (IEM, https://iem.at/) is hosting AM'20 in Graz/ Austria: we are looking forward to an interdisciplinary event extending mostly -but not exclusively- the audio reality! Details can be found below and on https://audiomostly.com/2020/call/ The Conference Chairs Katharina Groß-Vogt and Robert Höldrich am20(a)iem.at # Virtual Participation AM'20 offers virtual participation for oral paper presentations. Accepted papers may be presented and discussed via video live stream and are part of the proceedings. Passive virtual participation will be possible for a small fee and includes a live stream of all paper sessions and concerts and other virtual meeting formats. # Call for Papers Please submit your research as full papers (5-8 pages) or short papers (4 pages). Both will be fully peer-reviewed in a double blind process. Accepted papers will be published in the ACM Digital Library (tbc). # Call for Demos We encourage authors to contribute demonstrations to be displayed at the conference. Demos require a paper submission. # Call for Workshops We invite proposals for workshops to be held at AM'20. Selected workshops will take place the day before the main conference (September 14th). We encourage hands-on/interactive workshops and regular workshops that last from 2 hours to a full day. Workshops are proposed in the form of a submitted paper. # Call for Music & Installations We call for Music for auditory virtual environments and sound art to be performed in a concert hall and as sound installations around the conference site. # Important Dates Submission Deadline: May 01, 2020 Notification of Acceptance: June 15, 2020 Workshops: September 14, 2020 Conference: September 15-17, 2020 Registration opens in June, with fees in the range of 30 EUR (virtual) to 150-400 EUR (physical). _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Performance using PD in Tokyo 2020/2/2
by S.E.P. 23 Jan '20

23 Jan '20

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Question about MIDI/XML
by Mariana Vieira 22 Jan '20

22 Jan '20

I would like to know if I can create MIDI/XML music plays using Pure Data, I am asking why I have not found examples of this type on the Internet in Pure Data to study *Image is just to show an example: [image: Midi-Sheet-Music_1.png] Att., Mariana Vieira Celular:+55 (11) 95846-3108 Tim/WhatsApp Celular:+1 (757) 351-0702 WhatsApp Business MeuPlayStore <https://play.google.com/store/apps/dev?id=5141873186713129352&hl=pt-BR> | MeuAppStore <https://apps.apple.com/us/developer/edinesoft/id1485739472?l=pt> Site: https://www.edinesoft.com.br E-mail: contato(a)edinesoft.com.br CNPJ: 34.870.228/0001-54

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[PD-announce] NIME 2020: Final Call
by James Dooley 22 Jan '20

22 Jan '20

FINAL CALL FOR PARTICIPATION: New Interfaces for Musical Expression 2020, Royal Birmingham Conservatoire, UK. DEADLINE FRIDAY 24TH JANUARY =============================================================================== We would like to invite you to be part of NIME 2020 – The International Conference on New Interfaces for Musical Expression. We welcome submissions of original research, both scientific and artistic. A non-exhaustive list of NIME-related topics is found below. Topics --------- Original contributions are encouraged in, but not limited to, the following topics: Musical interfaces designed by/with disabled/neurodiverse musicians Musical interfaces in/as education Increasing musical choices for disabled musicians through new accessible interfaces Easier/cheaper approaches to the design of bespoke accessible instruments (that can be adapted to a user’s requirements), in a world dominated by mass production Strategies that improve the reach and replicability of one-off accessible instrument projects, particularly those that are unlikely to have full commercial potential Musical interfaces tailored to formally trained musicians Novel controllers, interfaces or instruments for musical expression Augmented, embedded and hyper instruments Technologies or systems for collaborative music-making Mobile music-making Music-related human-computer interaction and mapping strategies Sensor and actuator technologies, including haptics and force feedback devices Explorations of relationships between motion, gesture and music Evaluation and user studies of new interfaces for musical expression or commercially available “off the shelf” interfaces Musical robotics Interactive sound art and installations Performance rendering and generative algorithms Machine learning in musical performance Artificial intelligence and new interfaces for musical expression Web-based and/or telematic music performance Software frameworks, interface protocols, and data formats, for supporting musical interaction Historical, theoretical or philosophical discussions about designing or performing with new interfaces Supporting cultural diversity through musical interfaces Discussions about the artistic, cultural, and social impact of new interfaces Pedagogical perspectives or reports on student projects in the framework of NIME-related courses Practice-based research approaches/methodologies/criticism relating to the use of musical interfaces Submissions can be made through the NIME submission portal: https://cmt3.research.microsoft.com/NIME2020/Submission/Index Paper templates can be downloaded from: https://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/NIME_Submission_Templ… Important Dates --------------------- 24 January 2020: Paper, Poster, Music, Installation and Workshops submission deadline 31 January 2020: Final submission upload deadline (no extension) 15-22 March 2020: Notification of acceptances/rejections 22 March 2020: Early Bird Registration Opens 10 April 2020: Non-Paper Demo submission deadline 15 April 2020: Camera-ready submission and presenter registration deadline 30 April 2020: Early-bird registration deadline 21 July 2020: Pre-conference workshops 22-24 July 2020: The conference 25 July 2020: The unconference More information about the conference can be found at nime2020.bcu.ac.uk<http://nime2020.bcu.ac.uk/> NIME 2020 Royal Birmingham Conservatoire Organising Committee _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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