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Re: [PD] Deken : Install externals with a list (Py Fave)
by rolfm＠dds.nl 12 Apr '17

12 Apr '17

Roman wrote: > Just in case nobody more knowledgeable chimes in. Pd found the > approrpiate file: Gem.dll, but it still didn't load it. This probably > means that Gem.dll is dynamically linked to other libraries that can't > be found. You might get a hint when opening Gem.dll in a tool like > DependencyWalker or similar. It hopefully shows you which other dll is > missing or not found. thanks Roman. running DependencyWalker gives a lot of yellow warnings and a red one in the dep.tree. and in the log window: Error: At least one required implicit or forwarded dependency was not found. Error: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in an implicitly dependent module. Warning: At least one delay-load dependency module was not found. Warning: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in a delay-load dependent module. attached are 2 png's which show 2 items i think could be causing the problem: -msvcrt.dll which appears to generate one or both of the above mentioned errors. -msvcr71.dll; in pd/bin exists msvcr90.dll. any hints how to proceed? rolf

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Re: [PD] Deken : Install externals with a list (Py Fave)
by Dan Wilcox 10 Apr '17

10 Apr '17

When the app needs a different version of the built in windows libs, that usually means it was build on a different version of Windows. Sometimes, you have to include a copy of the lib itself with the app and/or the user needs to install it. Hacky I know, but that’s what I’ve done in the past… IE: https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsdesktop/en-US/7f5a39ee-e089… <https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsdesktop/en-US/7f5a39ee-e089…> Often times, I’ve quickly had to go to one of these sites that hosts various Windows api dlls just to get something to work. Either that or copy it from another machine with an older OS. Seems like this might be an option for now. -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/> > On Jun 2, 2016, at 2:09 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > From: rolfm(a)dds.nl <mailto:rolfm@dds.nl> > Subject: Re: [PD] Deken : Install externals with a list (Py Fave) > Date: June 2, 2016 at 2:09:31 PM MDT > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > > > Roman wrote: > >> Just in case nobody more knowledgeable chimes in. Pd found the >> approrpiate file: Gem.dll, but it still didn't load it. This probably >> means that Gem.dll is dynamically linked to other libraries that can't >> be found. You might get a hint when opening Gem.dll in a tool like >> DependencyWalker or similar. It hopefully shows you which other dll is >> missing or not found. > > thanks Roman. > running DependencyWalker gives a lot of yellow warnings and a red one in the dep.tree. > > and in the log window: > > Error: At least one required implicit or forwarded dependency was not found. > Error: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in an implicitly dependent module. > Warning: At least one delay-load dependency module was not found. > Warning: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in a delay-load dependent module. > > attached are 2 png's which show 2 items i think could be causing the problem: > -msvcrt.dll which appears to generate one or both of the above mentioned errors. > -msvcr71.dll; in pd/bin exists msvcr90.dll. > > any hints how to proceed?

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New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)
by Alexandre Torres Porres 08 Apr '17

08 Apr '17

thought we'd finally change the thread name... for those who are getting there now, this is the discussion about a new deken feature, that would suggest to download to the system user folder and then create it if it's not there. I was testing the new version and it didn't work. 2017-03-04 6:30 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli <reduzent(a)gmail.com>: > > But why did it not create the folder /Users/alex/Library/Pd (...)? It actually didn't suggest to write to ~/Library/Pd, which needed to happen first, the creation of the folder would be the next step. > you have admin rights on your Mac and you can write into XX.app folders > (...) Deken looks through search paths and finds one that is writable, thus > it does not suggest to install to /Users/alex/Library/Pd. Can we close this thread with 'works as designed'? I thought the design was to suggest to write into the ~/Library/Pd folder, and then create it. This is not what's happening! It only suggests it if it didn't find any folder it can use. In the end, there is no difference for me. So, for it to suggest to download to ~/Library/Pd, I have to first create that folder myself, and the whole discussion here seemed to be the need to create that folder automatically, to make things easier for the user. cheers

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Re: [PD] oops (did a bad thing in puredata.info)
by Fred Jan Kraan 06 Apr '17

06 Apr '17

Hi, Indeed, something is wrong at https://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone. I tried to recreate the page but it is still reporting a Site Error. Starting from scratch wouldn't be too bad as most data was outdated. But as I said, the download page is mainly for downloading files and some extra info, not as generic as the normal wiki pages. I suppose you have to ask the real admin here, IOhannes, to fix this. Greetings, Fred Jan On 26-03-17 08:52, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > howdy, off list, I'm really sorry to say I screwed up pretty badly and > deleted the "cyclone" project or something when trying to update it in > puredata.info <http://puredata.info> > > I guess we'll have to recreate it somehow, or maybe restore it? I need > help :/ > > sorry :( > > > 2017-03-25 23:39 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com > <mailto:porres@gmail.com>>: > > 2017-03-25 18:07 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan(a)xs4all.nl > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>: > > > I did add the user 'porres' to the /downloads/cyclone creators > list. Editing should work now. > > > Thanks! > > I tried to add Derek too, let's see if it works as well ;) > > > While editing, I found these pages less flexible than generic > wiki pages. Nowadays for source distribution there is the github > site and for binary distribution there is deken. The best these > pages can do at the moment is point at the right direction... > > > Agreed! > >

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Pd GUI poor performance Win10 Nvida GTX980M
by Matthias Kronlachner 06 Apr '17

06 Apr '17

Hi, I am having a poor GUI performance with Pd under Windows 10 and an Notebook with Nvidia GTX980M graphics card. Starting with an empty patch placing and dragging objects is very laggy. This is the same for Pd-0.47-1, and Pd-extended 0.43.4, therefore I suspect it's a problem with Tcl/Tk? DSP and internal message handling works fine... Does somebody have the same problem or a fix for this? Thanks, Matthias

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versions of libraries from extended in deken (was Different versions of iemguts library in Deken)
by Alexandre Torres Porres 06 Apr '17

06 Apr '17

Well, I did check the versions and this is what I got... the ones I couldn't find the version I marked as "not versioned"; and I think they could just be "0.0.1" or something. The one thing I dont get is tof, I couldn't find the version, but there's a new one in deken as 0.2.1, maybe call it 0.2 then? But I wonder how that version name came up... here's tof's git https://github.com/electrickery/pd-tof cheers *library* *version* adaptive 0.1 apple 0.2 arraysize 0.1 bassemu~ 0.3.1 boids 1.1.2 bsaylor 0.1.1 chaos 0.2 comport 0.2 creb 0.9 cxc 0.5.2 cyclone 0.1alpha56 earplug~ 0.2.1 ekext 0.1.1 ext13 0.17.2 extra from pd 0.43 (do we really need this?) flatgui 0.1 freeverb~ 1.2 Gem 0.93.3 gem2pdp 0.7 ggee 0.26 hcs 0.2 hexloader not versioned hid 0.7.1 iem_adaptfilt 1.02 iem_ambi not versioned iem_bin_ambi not versioned iem_delay not versioned iem_roomsim not versioned iem_spec2 not versioned iem_tab not versioned iem16 1.0 iemgui not versioned iemguts 0.1 iemlib not versioned iemmatrix not versioned iemnet 0.1 iemxmlrpc not versioned jasch_lib not versioned jmmmp 0.47 la-kitchen not versioned libdir 1.9 list-abs 0.1-1 log 0.1 mapping 0.2.1 markex 0.86 maxlib 1.5.5 mediasettings 0.1 mjlib 0.1.2 moocow not versioned moonlib 0.2.1 motex 1.1.5 mrpeach 0.1 net 0.1 nsend not versioned osc 0.2 oscx 0.3.1 pan 0.1.2 pd-wavelet not versioned pdcontainer not versioned pddp 0.2.1 pdlua 0.6 pdogg 0.25.2 pdp 0.12.7 pduino 0.5.1 pix_artoolkit not versioned pix_drum not versioned pix_fiducialtrack not versioned pix_mano not versioned plugin~ 0.2.2 pmpd 0.9 purepd 0.1.1 rtc 4.1 sfruit not versioned sigpack 0.43 smlib 0.12.2 syslog 0.1 tclpd 0.3 testtools 0.1 timestretch not versioned tof not versioned unauthorized 0.1 vanilla from pd 0.43 (do we really need this?) vbap 1.0.3.2 windowing 0.1.1 zexy 2.2.4 2017-03-02 16:52 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com>: > > > 2017-03-02 16:14 GMT-03:00 IOhannes m zmölnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at>: > >> On 03/02/2017 06:37 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: >> > 2017-03-02 6:13 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli <reduzent(a)gmail.com>: >> > >> >> >> >> I thought those are meant to be transitional >> >> packages that don't receive any further maintenance. >> > >> > >> > What do you mean? Some packages are being updated and have newer >> versions, >> > some are abandoned and only have this version from the last >> *pd-extended* >> > up there... but they're not all meant to be either in one group or >> another, >> > and basically anyone can work on an abandoned library and update/upload >> a >> > new version... >> >> i don't see how this workflow is hindered by the current state of affairs. >> >> > >> > Well, if they differ in version, it's good to know which version it is, >> if >> > it's a newer version, an older version, the same version... I think it's >> > really confusing if you do not know the version at all... you just can't >> > compare! And you have to understand that most people looking at it >> cannot >> > really grasp the idea that the package is "from the last extended >> package" >> > - you can see the question from David as an example... >> >> the idea is very simple: >> any package that gets uploaded, should have a version that is higher >> that "0.0extended". >> if they have a higher version number, then deken will sort them *before*. >> the idea of deken is really: the very first link should be the version >> you are looking for. all other links are either outdated versions or for >> different architectures. >> >> any library that is maintained (as in: there is enough interest in it >> that someone wants to do a fresh upload) *should* have a version number >> attached to it. (even if it is just a date-based version). >> practically all libraries *will* have a version that is higher than >> 0.0extended. >> >> > >> > Anyway, seems that deken can take any kind of information and display >> it. I >> > get it that it's nice to have a clue that it's from extended, so, >> instead >> > of "v0.0.extended" why not give it a proper version and also explicitly >> say >> > it's from pd extended? Example suggestion; >> > >> > instead of "*cyclone-v0-0extended*", >> > it could be "*cyclone-v0.1alpha56-pd-extended*" >> > >> > would that be worse somehow? >> > >> >> what's the point of adding "pd-extended" when you have a proper version >> anyhow? >> > > agree, no much point, but I was just trying to meet half way > > >> but i think what roman tried to say is, that your energy could be spent >> much better by uploading updated libraries into deken (with their >> correct versions set), than beating a dead horse. >> and if there are no updated versions, then there are no version numbers >> to compare anyhow. >> > > Not sure if that's what he meant, but what about the idea of changing the > version name of libraries that we know have a proper version other than > v0.0? > > cyclone is one of them... I'd rather cyclone would be listed as > v0.1alpha56 instead of v0-0extended. and I can work on finding out other > library versions as well. I can see some do not have a version at all, > 'moocow' for instance. It only has a "svn" date... it doesn't have any > newer library as well. So, for those, we can just keep it like that, it > makes total sense to mark them as "0.0", and maybe if it ever gets any > attention or updates, it can be versioned as "0.1" and whatever. > > Yeah, seems like a lot of energy to spend, but I don't have much > programming skills, so, as a good latin american, I can offer my cheap > manual labor for you people, it's fine. > > cheers >

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[multimodel] inconsistencies in displaying/scaling objects
by Antonio Roberts 05 Apr '17

05 Apr '17

I'm using [multimodel] to load an animation of obj files made Blender. As I play/scrub through the files I noticed that the begin to shift around without me having to use translation or rotation. Below is a video made to illustrate the problem. The actual objects I'm using differ. https://youtu.be/jPzHYZTSwYo When it comes to setting the scale it appears as though it is using the centre point as origin and then expanding to fit the area of the objects. Is there any way to stop this? In other models I've made it seems as though a corner is being set to origin point. Is this something I can address with Pure Data or do I have to do it in Blender? Thanks for any help, Antonio -- ============================ antonio(a)hellocatfood.com http://www.hellocatfood.com ============================

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Re: [PD] [text define] functionality for text in structs?
by Derek Kwan 05 Apr '17

05 Apr '17

Miller Puckette <msp(a)ucsd.edu> writes: > Not sure if this really works yet but... > > You should be able to use [text tolist] and [text fromlist] to copy the > entire contents of a text inside a scalar (struct) into a [text define] - > and from there to/from a file. > > cheers > Miller Hello, Correct, this works. I was just hoping for the ability to use these methods "directly" on a text struct member without these extra steps or overhead, but perhaps the text being a member of a struct makes things a little bit more complicated... I could see an abstraction using a "proxy" [text] instance and automating the [text fromlist/tolist] steps helping out the situation though. Thanks! Derek -- Derek Kwan www.derekxkwan.com

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install purr data on RPi?
by Richie Cyngler 04 Apr '17

04 Apr '17

Hi All, Does anyone have Purr Data working on RPi 3 with Raspbian? I tried the last two releases, 2.1.2 & 2.1.1. Downloaded the deb file(s). Fails to install saying: architecture not matching, package architecture (amd64) not matching system architecture (armhf). So it seems the link goes to the wrong file or am I missing something? cheers Richie

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some feature requests for the [text] object
by Liam Goodacre 02 Apr '17

02 Apr '17

Since 0.48 is coming up, I thought I would bring up some requests I have for the text family of objects. Some of these I brought up at the conference and some of them have only occurred to me since then. There are a lot of text storage objects out there and some of them still do things which can't be done in Vanilla. But IMO the implementation of the [text] is so successful that it deserves a few more features. 1. [text define] should send out a bang when the text window is saved. I mentioned this in a recent post. As it stands, there is no way of sensing when the text has been manually edited. It would be very useful to have this information if you ie. wanted to send the text to a list. A bang to the left outlet, or a new right outlet, or even a special receive channel would all work perfectly well here (ie. [receive mytext] gets a bang when [text define mytext] is edited). 2. A way to append text to the end of a line. [text set] has the third inlet to determine the field number on a given line, but it won't let you append text beyond the given line length. Is there a reason for this? Compare with "add2" from [textfile]. It seems to me that there should be a way of increasing a line indefinitely. 3. [text tolist] and [text fromlist] should accept customs separators. As it stands, the only accepted separator is \; , which is very awkward to work with from inside the patch. It would be great if both objects had an optional argument which specified the separator, so ie. [text tolist mytext &] would create list "list item 1 & item 2 & item 3 &", and [text fromlist mytext &] would accept the same list. Of course, leaving the argument blank would give the current \; separator. 3.1 I would also propose that we consider an option for specifying no separator for [text tolist], ie. the whole file comes out as one big list. This would break the symmetry with [text fromlist], but would still be useful in some circumstances. 4. A "flush" message to [text get] outputs each line of text iteratively, all at once. This of course can be done with [until], but I would love it if it was possible in one shot. 5. A flag on the read command that interprets commas as symbols, not line ends. ie. "read -a text-with-commas.txt". This would be useful when using [text] to read and print plain English files, ie. for help messages and such. Right now I'm having to write a whole lot of instructions without using commas. It's an interesting creative exercise, but something I'd rather avoid! [msgfile] can read commas correctly, so zexy has the upper hand here. I hope that these are useful suggestions, and that some of them can be implemented without difficulty. Liam

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