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Deken and Dependencies
by Thomas Mayer 21 Jul '16

21 Jul '16

Hi, to sum up the discussion about shared libraries: - For Windows just pack your dll in the deken package - For Linux (and Mac OS X?) do not package the shared libraries Should we establish a standard to mention the required libraries for Linux and Mac users, ideally with instructions for users? Maybe we can include a file called dependencies.txt with the following format: ALL: <Package Name 1> <URL to package 1> <Package Name 2> <URL to package 2> <Package Name 3> <URL to package 3> Windows: INCLUDED Mac OS X: brew install <package1> <package3> fink install <package2> DEB: apt-get install <package1> <package2> <package3> Fedora: dnf install <package1> <package2> <package3> The description in RFC format: A deken package MAY include a file dependencies.txt to specify dependencies for the package. The file dependencies.txt MUST NOT be empty and MUST contain at least one section. Sections are seperated by empty lines. The first line in a section MUST end with a colon(:). The first section of the file MUST be ALL. Section ALL MUST list dependencies with a canonical name and a URL to the library (source code download or repository). Other sections either MUST contain a line INCLUDED to tell the user that the package contains the dependencies or MUST contain a list of commands to execute to install these dependencies. The list of commands SHOULD state the dependencies in the same order as in section ALL. (compare DEB package installation to Mac OS X in the example above) This information could also be included in the <library>-meta.pd file. That way, the file is human readable and in the future, the plugin can split up the file into sections and present instructions to the user about dependencies. What are your thoughts about that? Thanks, Thomas

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PdCon16 NYC Calls are open
by Jaime Oliver 21 Jul '16

21 Jul '16

Dear All, Please check out the calls for papers, works, and proposals for the upcoming Pd Convention. http://www.nyu-waverlylabs.org/pdcon16/calls/ <http://www.nyu-waverlylabs.org/pdcon16/calls/> All the best, J

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Re: [PD] PdCon16
by Will - 21 Jul '16

21 Jul '16

Do you have to buy tickets for the convention? Or do you just show up each day? I want to come but have never been a convention, so am unsure how it works. Thanks! _Will _____________________________ From: pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:01 am Subject: Pd-list Digest, Vol 136, Issue 54 To: <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to pd-list(a)lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at> You can reach the person managing the list at pd-list-owner(a)lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list-owner@lists.iem.at> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Pd-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Deken and Dependencies (Lucas Cordiviola) 2. Re: Deken and Dependencies (IOhannes m zmölnig) 3. PdCon16 NYC Calls are open (Jaime Oliver) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:45:48 +0000 From: Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27(a)hotmail.com<mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com>> To: "pd-list(a)lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>" <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>> Subject: Re: [PD] Deken and Dependencies Message-ID: <BLU183-W66DC3EA1ED2B274DA6E1DDA6080(a)phx.gbl<mailto:BLU183-W66DC3EA1ED2B274DA6E1DDA6080@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Well my worries are this: I made a abs that uses [some~] which calls 3thpty pthread. I want the abs to be opened with all OS. I`m using Deken as source of [some~] so in my abs I [declare] a folder where I put: some~.dll pthread.dll some~.pd_darwin ? pthread ? some~.l_i386? pthread ? some~.pd_linux? pthread ? And there, just work. I know that I can do this with objects that DONT need pthread. How do I handle 3th pty Libs if those *are not* in the Deken Pkg? Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas. To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> From: zmoelnig(a)iem.at<mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:07:44 +0200 Subject: Re: [PD] Deken and Dependencies On 07/20/2016 04:23 PM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote: > > What will be the problem for a linux system to look for the 3th party > Lib in the same folder as the ext (which needs it) if it can't find > anywhere else in the local system? > > IYO this is adding cruft? yes. > > We are discussing Deken dependencies and abs sharing. thanks for the reminder :-) > > And also I`m following *your* good idea that a deken pkg must be “self > operational”. yes. > > Lets have the “normal ubuntu” users a more practical way of Pd while > “super users” like you can do all the “$ sudo apt-get install > pd-deken-apt” thing. > i think you misunderstood that (most likely because you are not using linux). the idea is, that anybody who installed "puredata" (the core Pd-vanilla package distributed on Debian and derivatives), also has "pd-deken-apt" installed (automatically). there is nothing "super user" to that. gsmdr IOhannes _______________________________________________ Pd-list(a)lists.iem.at<mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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Pd External Question
by Ricky Graham 21 Jul '16

21 Jul '16

Hello, Is there a symbol equivalent to t_floatarg when writing an object in C? I’d like to pass a symbol on creation. All the best, Ricky

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w32 Deken package issues.
by Lucas Cordiviola 20 Jul '16

20 Jul '16

hi,On 07/03/2016 08:48 AM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:> Type “missing” in deken`s search bar.> Then put all dlls in the pd/bin directory.while i appreciate the initiative to provide missing system libraries, ithink this is the wrong way to do it.#1 a deken package should be self-contained.if a given deken package lacks a library (e.g. libpthreadGCC3.dll) thenit should provide that library itself.(alternatively, deken could be (theoretically; practically i see anumber of hurdles) enhanced to explicitely state such dependencies (soinstalling "foo" would also install "pthreadGCC3")#2 a deken package must be installable by deken. the requierement to"then put all the dlls into pd/bin" contradicts this.until deken can be told to install into pd/bin, i think that thoughshall not abuse the deken package system for such things.i'd therefore rather have the 'missingDLLs' package removed frompuredata.info.we *should* come up with a proper solution for the problem though.fmasdrIOhannes Hi IOhannes, I've been thinking on the issue and did some tests that gave good results. First good result is that the missing .dlls placed on the same folder as the external seems to work, I did a couple of tests and both worked. Second, I made a patch that creates objects from every .dll in a given dir, the target dir is obviously the deken PKG extracted folder, this speeds up checking PKGs. And third, I found http://www.dependencywalker.com/ wich provide some useful info about which dll is missing. For example for zexy, “libgnurx-0.dll” is called by matchbox.dll. The patch that I made also gives false errors because some objects need creation args. I attach a zip with the patch along with 2 needed externals. Let me know what you think. I'm thinking on preparing a win10 system to check packages and provide some reports. Salutti,Lucarda. Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.

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noise~ inlet can set gain if receiving signal
by Alexandre Torres Porres 20 Jul '16

20 Jul '16

howdy, noise~ has an inlet which I'm sure I asked about once... maybe others as well. It's a useless inlet, but here's what I found... I had a sig~ connected to an osc~ and then I changed the osc~ for noise~ well, it is not a signal inlet and you can not connect a signal to it, but if you do this, the connection will remain, even though it complains. funny enough, it'll set the gain of you noise~ object and scare the hell out of you ;) cheers

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puredata preferences ? ...
by oliver 18 Jul '16

18 Jul '16

hi, can anybody tell me where PD's preferences are stored on a w32 system ? "puredata.info" says: _______________________________________________________________________________________________ When you hit the Save all settings button, your modification will be stored to your system. The pdsettings are stored in a platform-dependent way as key/value-pairs. On Windows the preferences are stored in the registry. For Pd-vanilla, they are in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> SOFTWARE -> Pd. For Pd-extended, they are in: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> SOFTWARE -> Pd-extended _______________________________________________________________________________________________ 1.) i searched all over my system for "pdsettings" or the registry for that specific key ---> nothing found. but the preferences i did set are actually loading alright when i start PD. 2.) is there a specific reason why those settings are stored in the registry and not i.e. in a simple textfile somewhere in the PD folder system ? i think this would be a much better and more flexible way, as in my case, i run PD from a specific folder on an external harddisk without any install procedure (to make it a "portable application") thanks oliver

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spectral peaks
by Jeppi Jeppi 18 Jul '16

18 Jul '16

Hi all,could anyone point me to a patch to extract spectral peaks from a [rfft~] based analysis? I should need to isolate mostly a single prominent peak from a noisy signal only with vanila objects...[fiddle~] could do that, but it would increase the computational cost of my patch a bit too much.Thanks!josep m

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Curve3d
by jma＠jeanmarie-adrien.net 17 Jul '16

17 Jul '16

Hi List Seems that curve3d is limited in size of control matrix (10x10 max) Is there a way to plot a XYZ curve with 40 dots in X and 10 dots in Y (means matrix 40x10) ? wish avoid plot 4 curves 10x10 and adjust them together :( tks JM

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[UPDATED] can signal inlets that aren't the main inlet have float or message methods?
by Matt Barber 15 Jul '16

15 Jul '16

Hello list, Back in March we had a discussion about getting signal inlets other than the main one to use floats as messages rather than signals. I found a way to simulate this behavior (only for floats, not for anythings). A little background: If you have a signal inlet, when you send a float to it, it stores that float in a field that the ugen graph function retrieves if it notices that inlet has no signal connection: if there's at least one signal connected, those are used, but if not, the float scalar is promoted to a signal. You can update that scalar even while a signal is connected. You need to #include "g_canvas.h" to get started. So the idea here is: 1) in the new() routine, get access to the float scalar for your inlet from within your object class. 2) in the new() routine, optionally set the scalar field with a default or a creation arg. 3) check manually in your dsp() routine to see if that inlet has a signal connection feeding it. If so, then the scalar is ignored and you can use the signal as is. However, if you want the inlet to have zeroes when there's no signal inlet, rather than the scalar, you have to let your perform() routine know. 4) in the perform() routine, poll the scalar field for changes. ------------------------------------------- Before you can do 1) and 2), you need to keep the t_inlet pointer returned from inlet_new, something like: x->x_rightinlet = inlet_new((t_object *)x, (t_pd *)x, &s_signal, &s_signal); For 1), get a pointer to the float field and save it: x->x_signalscalar = obj_findsignalscalar(x, 1); // second arg is the inlet index Then to use it simply dereference it: float scalar = *x->x_signalscalar; // this probably goes in your perform() routine --------------------------------------------- For 2), you want to set the float in the field, so you can just call the default float routine for inlets: pd_float((t_pd *)x->x_rightinlet, f); // first arg is your inlet, cast as a (t_pd *), and the second is the input float --------------------------------------------- 3) is the trickiest part. The cyclone code does it this way: int forky_hasfeeders(t_object *x, t_glist *glist, int inno, t_symbol *outsym) { t_linetraverser t; linetraverser_start(&t, glist); while (linetraverser_next(&t)) if (t.tr_ob2 == x && t.tr_inno == inno && (!outsym || outsym == outlet_getsymbol(t.tr_outlet)) ) return (1); return (0); } Which is called like so: forky_hasfeeders((t_object *)x, x->x_glist, 1, &s_signal); This basically says "if there's a connection to the inlet in the 3rd arg, and it's from a signal outlet, return true." x->x_glist is set this way in the new() routine: x->x_glist = canvas_getcurrent(); -------------------------------------------- 4) now in your perform() routine you can poll for changes: t_float scalar = *x->x_signalscalar; if (scalar != x->x_scalar) { x->x_scalar = scalar; // do other stuff, call functions, etc. } I don't have time right now, but I'll make a minimal object later to illustrate.

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