Pd-list February 2011

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Am I alone?
by Josh Moore 06 Feb '11

06 Feb '11

Well in my opinion most electroacoustic shit is all surrealist/dadaist crap. The people involved try too hard to be the electronic version of John Cage, it's quite annoying. In fact, I'm so against it that I'm going to come up with a parody album with actual good dance music that uses elements of the academic code geek norm with real electronic music that have titles like "computer scientists make for very bad musicians" and "chainsaw in a cave, recorded 6 feet down" In all seriousness though, i like the science. However, I believe that just because it's accepted academically doesn't mean that it will put you ahead of everyone else nor do I like/take part in the elitism that follows which is ten times worse. I read the CCRMA and IRCAM articles/publications, use Max, Csound, ChucK, and all of that jazz. I even read the Pd/Max/Csound/Chuck mailing lists too but I choose to make actual music with those tools. I use Renoise for sequencing because it can send open sound control data to the extra stuff, then I multitrack it in whatever DAW I feel like using that day whether it's Pro Tools, Live, Logic, DP, or whatever really. Most of what I make is just normal synthesis stuff, like what you would get out of a synth/workstation anyways but I like the fact that I made what I'm using, or heavily modified it if it was sampled. An off subjerct example but relative is the guys with modular synthesizers. You can go to youtube and see videos with these guys with big huge multithousand dollar Buchla synthesizers and they make this repetitive crap that sounds like it came from lost in space. Then, they just keep turning knobs and it's the same thing for five minutes. It's like, wtf is that trash nobody is going to listen to that... The technical ability to program synths is great, and I love people who take the time to be scientific about their sound but to me the whole entire point of music is about being technical with a control present. You can look at all of the great classical composers, marching band composers, composers/musicians on labels and find the same thing. If I was to go to school to study music and electronics, and figured out that I can get a plastic drum, destroy an alarm clock to make a contact microphone, and do some basic signal processing I can do much the same thing then I would be asking serious questions. I guess for someone who's learning, that stuff is fine but these big institutions who teach music already require one to take proper music courses in primary school yet we find 5 minute 20 hz drones everywhere with some white noise. Are the teachers assigning this stuff? Are they mad? I grew up in a super small area in Washington state and I've never been to college so I wouldn't know but what comes out of this circle is baffling. Perhaps it was just the way I was musically brought up, I don't know. I had a crazy band teacher in primary school who would flunk you if you didn't show up to any of the performances, and dock your grade if you didn't practice so many hours a week that had to be logged and signed by a parent. Plus, you had all the standard music theory stuff, tests on melodic, chromatic, harmonic scales, sometimes the odd ones too, inversions, chords, and so forth. My mom would listen to Van Halen, Stevie Ray Vaughn and Bluegrass music which in my opinion is very technical. I was into house and dance when I was in my preteens to late teens and my mother used to always say that stuff isn't music because it repeats too much. Eventually I saw her wisdom and started listening to lots of Prog Rock and Aphex Twin, Radiohead, Industrial Metal, and stuff like that and it totally changed my view. I think it's all too easy to get caught up in the technology behind production, and leave the good stuff out. Most of the stuff, including my own that's made with computers just doesn't have that same feel even after I spent 8 hours programming complex drum patterns note by note in a numeric based step sequencer. However, in my case my own musical control would be the simple math that makes up harmony and melody. Some however can defy this and still make good music, like Sonic Youth for instance or other people who have experimental music actually published on a reputable experimental label. There's still structure there, what is up with this other post-modernist stuff? Shouldn't artistic enrichment be the goal? Did I miss the boat? To me, music is controlled noise. You can make a math equation based on chaos theory and apply it to a sequence, but then it becomes noise. You can destroy all sense of scale and timing, but then it becomes noise. I mean, i can sit there on a synth patch and make noise for 8 hours or I could just go write a song. Personally, I'll choose to write the song.

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PD on FPGA
by Christoph Kuhr 06 Feb '11

06 Feb '11

Hi everyone, some time ago i asked the same question, but the given links disapeared, so im asking again... has anyone some information about implementing pd on dedicated hardware, particularly on an fpga device? bye Ck

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[PD-announce] electronic music ( with Pd ) event in London tomorrow and Tuesday night ?
by Koray Tahiroglu 06 Feb '11

06 Feb '11

Hi all, I will be in London tomorrow till Thursday, we will do an interactive dance performance, I will have Monday free and other days busy. Can anyone recommend/suggest me any electronic music ( with or without Pd) event happening in London tomorrow ( Monday 07.02) and Tuesday night ? Especially any Pd related event or any club event with good experimental music? I would appreciate any suggestions, please send them directly to my email :) thanks to all!! Koray ------------------------------------- M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Jack OSX latest beta and Pd jack midi
by Si Mills 06 Feb '11

06 Feb '11

Hi, the latest beta for jack osx is pretty significant in that its essentially rewire for open source. I'm just testing it out however, and Pd, when running in jack mode, doesn't seem to report its midi ports to JackPilot. Is the support for jack midi already built in our does our need to be developed? Cheers

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where to find $ args
by Rich E 06 Feb '11

06 Feb '11

Hi list, If I were to make an external that has access to $ arguments, does anyone know where I can find the necessary methods for retrieving this information? Or is it only available at instantiation? Most importantly, I am looking for a way to get the $0 value of a patch from C. Cheers, Rich

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Re: [PD] Maybe I'm pushing dynamic object creation too far
by Ed Kelly 05 Feb '11

05 Feb '11

> Did you really mean to reply in private ? Nope! Here it is! > > Dammit again - I'm using the second core of the machine for the live score, >dynamic object creation in GEM - but I see the > > new version of Inscore supports PD, so all my work over the last 6 months has > >been for nothing. Pah! > Your tool surely has some advantages over Inscore. It's in PD/GEM only. I sent the percussionist the score patch, with the external in a folder called ext/. The object creation manager was loaded within the patch thus: [ext/gemnotes_counter] The point is - he doesn't know anything about programming PD or compiling software, and it ran straight away with Pd-extended straight from the emailed patch. I suppose that's good, but I'm anxious now to sort out a 2D engine for PD. I'm using an industrial digger with GEM, when I should be using a spade! I'm not really a graphics programmer, (in fact I have no training as a programmer) so this is quite a challenge for me. PD was telling me that the CPU load was about 112% just for the score on my 2.2GHz dual core. Or perhaps there's something out there that could be ported. Ed PS - I'm over it. If I wanted to be the first I should have learned how to program in 1997, not 2005!

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[PD-announce] Help FLOSS Manuals @ Open Web Awards
by Derek Holzer 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

Dear Pd folks, Adam Hyde has asked for your support by voting for Booki in the Open Web Awards. Booki will be the new platform for all the FLOSS Manuals, including the Pure Data one. So a vote for Booki is a vote for the Pd FLOSS Manual! Best wishes from Berlin! Derek *** vote for booki in the Open Web Awards! Booki (the latest FM project - http://www.booki.cc - a collaborative publishing platform) is in the final of the Open Web Awards. Great! We are 1 of 3 projects. If we win we get 5000 which we will use to do a code sprint on a tropical island somewhere ;) please please please register : http://www.drumbeat.org/user/register and vote for us by visiting this page and clicking on the 'vote' link (top right): http://www.drumbeat.org/project/open-web-publishing and pass this around!!!! :) Adam Hyde Founder FLOSS Manuals & Booki Project Manager Contact Information German mobile : + 49 177 4935122 Email : adam(a)flossmanuals.net irc : irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals "Free manuals for free software" http://www.flossmanuals.net/about Free Software for making Free Books http://www.booki.cc/ _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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[PD-announce] four more fractal videos, and reposting the two previous ones
by Mathieu Bouchard 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, jurgen wrote: > I was attempting Quicktime 10 as the default player in Firefox. I'll try VLC thanx. > Jurgen I made aliases with ".avi" suffix. Do those work ? http://gridflow.ca/gallery/koch_polygon_2a.avi http://gridflow.ca/gallery/koch_polygon_2b.avi And I made those newer videos yesterday and today, but they're not made with polygons, they are made using remap_image : http://gridflow.ca/gallery/julia_color_wheel_1.avi http://gridflow.ca/gallery/julia_color_wheel_2.avi http://gridflow.ca/gallery/julia_color_wheel_3.avi http://gridflow.ca/gallery/julia_color_wheel_4.avi _______________________________________________________________________ | Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Gem dolly zoom
by tim vets 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

Hi all, I'm trying to figure out how to control the camera lens in Gem. i.e. go from normal view to 'ortho' gradually, or still, change focal length form 18mm to 55mm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_length I've been playing around with 'view', 'perspec' to gemwin, and also tried changing an object's size and distance simulatneously to achieve this, but it seems that the perspective deformation always stays the same... any ideas? thanks Tim

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saving relative paths in a textfile
by Athos Bacchiocchi 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

hello list, i'm building a patch in wich openpanel is used to load four wavfiles in four different arrays. The four paths are stored and, if needed, saved in a text file using [textfile] object, so that they can be loaded all together like a primitive kind of soundbank. The problem with openpanel is that it outputs absolute paths, making the textfile useless in case i move the entire patch (with wavfiles as well, without modifying the relative positions), to another position or machine. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Maybe there is a specific object, but an entire day of googling didn't get me anywhere. thanks, athos

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Pd-list February 2011