Pd-list June 2010

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Re: [PD] plugin~ external
by Mathieu Bouchard 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, Kim Cascone wrote: > Mathieu Bouchard wrote: >> I would have done it like this if [print] was able to handle extra atom >> types. > ok but the problem still exists with passing parentheses which is blocking > some data from be sent to the console...or has this been fixed? just curious I will reply in public because I don't see any reason why you replied in private nor any reason why I couldn't reply back to the list. I haven't "fixed" the parentheses yet. This will really involve making a second kind of GridFlow class, which will not go through the parens-filter at all. (I don't see what else I could do). > ok so you're swapping print objects under-the-hood in order to have more > atom types available with the GridFlow [print] when using other objects > from the GridFlow library? yes. > is there a way the object instantiated could have [gf.print] on it > instead of just [print]? no, because the point is to prevent Pd's [print] from running when I type [print], because it would print disquieting error messages looking like a bug. I think that it's better than pretending to use DS pointers like GEM does and GF used to do, for lack of an extensible typesystem. _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801

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Re: [PD] plugin~ external
by Kim Cascone 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

I'm trying to figure out the correct way to send control data to the svf plug following how [plugin~] is supposed to work: > the message is: > "port <symbol:direction> <symbol:type> <symbol:name> <float:lowerlimit> > <float:upperlimit>" > > with <symbol:direction> being either "in" or "out" > with <symbol:type> being "control" or "audio" > with <symbol:name> being the name of the port (e.g. "Amplitude random > (%)") > > and lower/upperlimit define the valid range of the value. > > for controlling, you use "control <symbol:name> <float:value>" > > <symbol:name> is not case-sensitive, and it tries to find a simple match. > e.g. "Amplitude random (%)" can be controlled with "amp" or "AMPLItude" > or "Amplitude random (%)". > it will take the first port that matches, so if you have parameters > "FrequencyUpper" and "FrequencyLower", then "freq" will match > "FrequencyUpper", in order to control the other param you have to use at > least "frequencyl" in the terminal 'analyseplugin' for svf reveals this: Plugin Name: "State Variable Filter" Plugin Label: "svf" Plugin Unique ID: 1214 Maker: "Steve Harris <steve(a)plugin.org.uk>" Copyright: "GPL" Must Run Real-Time: No Has activate() Function: Yes Has deativate() Function: No Has run_adding() Function: Yes Environment: Normal or Hard Real-Time Ports: "Input" input, audio, -1 to 1 "Output" output, audio, -1 to 1 "Filter type (0=none, 1=LP, 2=HP, 3=BP, 4=BR, 5=AP)" input, control, 0 to 5, default 0, integer "Filter freq" input, control, 0 to 6000, default 440 "Filter Q" input, control, 0 to 1, default 0.25 "Filter resonance" input, control, 0 to 1, default 0 I'm having trouble figuring out what exactly to send the plug I tried sending 'type' 'filter_type' filtertype' and other combinations for "Filter type" but it doesn't seem to like anything I try *error: plugin~: plugin doesn't have a control input port named "type"* ditto on 'Q' and 'resonance' although 'filter' seems to be accepted for "Filter_freq" can you point me to where in the code I might find out the correct syntax for a particular LADSPA plug?

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Where is the object reference documentation?
by Jim Aikin 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

Now that I have real-time MIDI working, I'm eager to start putting together the patch I need. But ... where is the documentation that lists the available objects? Once I know what object I want, I can create it and then right-click on it to open an information window for that type of object. But where's the complete list of objects? --Jim Aikin

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Re: [PD] plugin~ external
by patko 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

----- "João Pais" <jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com> a écrit : > music. My job is to be a musician, it's what I studied all my life. I > know > that in some countries that doesn't count as a job, but on some others > it > does. > (what I do sometimes to pay the rent isn't my desired job, but a > compromise so that I can have my independence when doing music. > although > many people would see it in reverse) > There are at least three dozen jobs in music industry, the necessary knowledge for using pd involves at least half of those jobs, and we could virtually explore almost all of those jobs, I do believe you, no problemo... > what's professional? e.g. reason, which comes with a nice GUI and > manual, > and doesn't let you do a fraction of what you can do with pd? > > is max/msp professional? if yes, what's the difference between that > and pd? > > is csound professional? it's free, it's taught in many universities, > and > used by many many composers. and for tape synthesis it's the best you > can > get. > Ardour is a good example of a professional tool, because it supports professional audio hardware, the question about pd is biased because it does support most kind of hardware but the user still have to build his own interface, so, professionalism doesn't come from pd only but from the immixtion of the tool and the user. > if by "professional" you mean "it's sold and people make profit from > it", > then in today's world it's such a worthy definition as to say "the > website > of this software is blue, therefore it's a good website". sinceramente -- Patrice Colet

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random, but always start with X
by Ben Carney 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

Im trying to set up a simple system where, each time a metro is triggered on, 5 sound files are played, but they always start with sound file 1. It has been a while since i have used pd regularly and it seems I once knew the answer to this. can any one shed any light? best, -- benfcarney www.benfcarney.com Chicago, IL

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tabread~ demo in WebPd
by chrism 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

Hello, Here's a new small demo of [tabread~] and some other dsp objects working in the browser: <http://mccormick.cx/dev/webpd/demos/xmen-sample-looper/index.html> Here's a video (seems to play ok in Firefox): <http://mccormick.cx/webpd-tabread~.ogv> Want to contribute? Go here: <http://mccormick.cx/dev/webpd/> I would love some help with this project. I re-licensed it under AGPLv3 (like GPLv3 but requires that you also release the source code if you provide the program only over a network). Cheers, Chris. PS Don't forget to "view source" to see how it works! :) ------------------- http://mccormick.cx

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Re: [PD] plugin~ external
by patko 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

----- "Mathieu Bouchard" <matju(a)artengine.ca> a écrit : > > or Psychic TV, > > I didn't know they made industrial music. Do they ? All I have from > them > is acid house and satanic funk. > You should listen to older albums, like "Gondole". > > but industrialized music, that follows rules only driven by profit. > > but the profit, that profit, what is it driven by ? eventually you > have to > sell it to people who think it's art. > > > Not really, but I imagine that if media only releases art defined by > > > political, or monetarist rules, it's not art anymore, art IS > killed. > > How deader was art back when Michel-Ange was having a contract with > the > Church and the Church was a major political power ? What with those > long > spans of art history in which if art wasn't about the bible it was > about > the royal family. You can't get much more politically-controlled than > > that. You only know art that has survived through the ages, and obviously those political controllers has certainly destroyed all the art that doesn't follow their own set of rules, for example, in France most of Celtic monuments has been replaced by catholic monuments.

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Re: [PD] doc vs extra
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

I'm cc'ing the list since I think this is of general interest, and it'd be to have it on the record. It was that way in Pd-extended 0.41.4, but with 0.42.5 just about all included libraries are set up as libdirs, so everything in one folder in extra. The new help browser expects this format. So only Pd- vanilla stuff is in 5.reference. .hc On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > Hi Hans, > If a help patch for an external used to appear in doc/ > 5.reference/my_lib in pd-ext, is it basically a copy of > the help patch with the same name in extra/my_lib? > > -Jonathan > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.... -John Donne

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Re: [PD] plugin~ external
by patko 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

it has nothing to do with apparences, you are using puredata and making money, but it's not really a job, like web developper, or teacher, or sound engineer, ... I'm using a Fender Stratocaster and making money as well, it's a good guitar, but no one use to say: " man, the fender stratocaster is a professional guitar" I do gain more money actually with PureData by using it for some installations, but I could use any other tool, if i'd be a good developper I'd make my own tool with c code for example, or python, is C a professional tool? is python a professional tool? No they are languages, why PureData isn't just considered as a language? ----- "João Pais" <jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com> a écrit : > I've performed and gave workshops using Pd, for which I was paid. I > also > use pd to make patches to generate materials for my pieces (which, > rarely, > are paid as well). Is that professional enough to join the > professional > club? > > Or does it turn professional only if we pay someone to design a > corporate > identity, with a nice logo and a website, and a foto of the developers > > wearing suits? > > > > People pay me to make projects, its my main profession, and I use > Pd. > > But I guess that's not enough to make something "professional". ;)

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Re: [PD] plugin~ external
by patko 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

----- "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika(a)yahoo.com> a écrit : > There are "naughty" pieces by Mozart that have survived the ages, > regardless of past Mozart scholars who > have excluded them from their catalogues of the "complete" works of > Mozart. It may have been ignored for a > bit, but the cult of genius generally trumps the opportunistic desire > to destroy art. > We know Mozart because he has his pretty face on candy boxes, like F.Z. used to joke. > Anyway, your point that "it's not art anymore, art IS killed" is > clearly false. Imagine a tyrant who declares that > the only suitable music is a) by Beethoven and b) in C minor. It's > certainly a travesty that anything > by Haydn or David Bowie would be banned, as well as Beethoven's 6th > Symphony, but it surely remains a fact > that Beethoven's 5th is still a great symphony, regardless of the > tyrant's endorsement. > > There are plenty of pieces of music that sell very well in times of > nationalist fervor, or in general. But it's sheer > confusion to say that these pieces _aren't_ art for that reason. > That's misdirected anger; the real problem is > that other pieces are excluded because they either don't fit easily > into a category, or they present an alternative > viewpoint that sits uncomfortably with general opinion (i.e., > dissident music). > > -Jonathan The problem is really actual, because it's related with this post-industrial period, where almost anything could falsified, or duplicated, where the main concept is about brain eating with a perpetual flow of those (duplicated&falsified) informations through almost all media, also used by "dissident people", who actually would be represented by rappers, or DJ's. Here we have a kind of example of the musical continuity imaginated by E. Varese where the musicians are removed to give the auditor always the same product. It's just a matter of time for anything individually created to be completely removed from the mainstream, and replaced by a logo, a lobby, a brain firmware. Kokorokara -- Patrice Colet

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