Pd-list July 2009

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test if object-class available
by Enrique Erne 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

hi I have a bit an unusual approach to test if dyn~ is available on the platform. In case it is i want to do all my dynamic patching in dyn~. if it isn't available it should do everything with pd-vanilla dynamic patching. My workaround is an abstraction with the name dyn~, this sends a message "dyn~ not available" if it gets loaded. Then I found out that pd-0.42 can do object aliasing (not sure if that is the correct term), which i find a very confusing feature. I was worried that my workaround wouldn't work anymore if the abstraction would "overwrite" the external, but it seems all fine. So the question is are there plans to make abstractions alias object classes ? (i hope not :) ) cheers eni

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Re: [PD] PD t-shirts
by harris_pilton＠gmx.de 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

all in all about how many tshirts are we talking? my first guess would have been 150 tshirts... but i really cant tell. one should consider that there might be extra tshirts for the us. are there any figures from previous editions? up to now i saw the orange tshirt with black printing on it. i like that. how about including some alternatives for the new shirts? greetings, especially to the people in brazil, have a nice time, max Am 27.07.2009 um 04:34 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: > > Hey there from Brasil! Yeah, t-shirts would be great, there are > many people who want them. They didn't make enough for the > conference, so there are probably people here who would also be > interested. > > .hc > > harris_pilton(a)gmx.de wrote: >> hi there, >> >> is anybody still into the tshirt thing? i think i could help with >> the printing. i'm not good at thinking of designs though. bang- >> until was quite common-sense - afaik there hasnt been lot response >> on that!? >> i wanted to bring up the topic again - basically because i want a >> pd-tshirt too :) >> cheers >> Am 06.04.2009 um 06:23 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: >> >>> >>> I like the DIY way. It would be great if people organized their >>> own fundraisers and bounties. I think that fits in well with the >>> anarchic nature of Pd. >>> >>> There are things like cafepress.com for t-shirts and the like. It >>> is more expensive than doing it yourself, probably, but its >>> easier. It would be nice to see more than one Pd t-shirt >>> available. I'd like bang-until and that cake, for example. >>> >>> .hc >>> >>> >>> On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Kyle, >>>> >>>> That's much more in line with what I'm looking to do. I also >>>> cannot >>>> afford to go to PdCon given that it's all the way in Brazil, and >>>> I'm >>>> sure the majority of Pd users are in the same boat. A >>>> documentation >>>> bounty seems like a good way to encourage people to document, and >>>> give >>>> them a way of justifying their time. And, I agree, probably more >>>> worthwhile than paying half of one person's ticket to Sao Paulo. >>>> >>>> In regards to designs, and printing: >>>> >>>> I'm thinking it might be cheapest (allowing more money to be >>>> raised) >>>> for me to print the shirts myself.. I just need to come up with a >>>> solid price estimate in the next couple days. Also, this seems >>>> more >>>> in line with the do-it-yourself attitude of Pd than, say, e- >>>> mailing a >>>> .Gif file to an internet service and letting it all go through >>>> them. >>>> >>>> I have couple designs I've drawn up myself, and a few have been >>>> submitted to me via this list. So, hopefully by the end of the >>>> weekend, I will upload them to my site and post a link on the >>>> list for >>>> feedback. >>>> >>>> -Ben >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Kyle Klipowicz >>>> <kyleklip(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Yes, I agree that the fund should be for a documentation bounty. >>>>> I think that Ben (or whoever makes the shirts) should hold the >>>>> money in >>>>> trust. Perhaps set up an interest-bearing account to save the >>>>> cash in. Then >>>>> create a well-documented (pun?) bounty description of what key >>>>> features are >>>>> to be implemented and the financial payment for each. >>>>> You could do micropayments for key help patches or examples, say >>>>> $20 US >>>>> each, or a big bounty for larger sections such as re-organizing >>>>> existing >>>>> patches into a tidy intro library for new uses, with ready-mades >>>>> to go. >>>>> I think this would be a longer lasting value than paying for Pd- >>>>> con. I'd >>>>> love to go myself, but probably cannot afford it...but I'd >>>>> rather see some >>>>> solid documentation be built...or have the financial incentive >>>>> to do it! >>>>> (Not a capitalist, just a hungry belly). >>>>> ~Kyle >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith(a)gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm open to the idea of donating proceeds to PdCon. But, >>>>>> having never >>>>>> been, I have some clarifying questions/concerns. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would really prefer that any money from sales went toward >>>>>> documentation, which in turn will increase useability and make >>>>>> PD more >>>>>> accessible to new users. Does the convention encourage/promote >>>>>> documentation? Is time spent at the convention trying to >>>>>> increase the >>>>>> existing body of literature? >>>>>> >>>>>> If so, then I'm all for it. I just don't want to settle on >>>>>> PdCon if >>>>>> it's only useful to attendees. (of course, I understand that >>>>>> in a >>>>>> good open-source community knowledge gained by any members >>>>>> contributes >>>>>> in some way to the knowledge of the group... but I'm talking more >>>>>> formal documention rather than more answers on the mailing list) >>>>>> >>>>>> Glad to hear the interest. I'm still looking into the best way >>>>>> to go >>>>>> about printing, selling, and distributing. >>>>>> If someone wants to partner up on this I'd be happy for the >>>>>> help and >>>>>> added input. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Ben >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Alexandre Castonguay >>>>>> <acastonguay(a)artengine.ca> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Ben, all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We did the last batch of t's as a fundraiser for the >>>>>>> Convention in >>>>>>> Montréal. We managed to pay for another 1/2 plane ticket with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> proceeds :-). Maybe the same could be done for São Paulo? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The super folks from Graz sent the file they used for the >>>>>>> original t's I >>>>>>> should still have it if you want. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> À bientôt, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello List, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I >>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>> totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired >>>>>>>> by the >>>>>>>> [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer >>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>> as far as I can tell. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the >>>>>>>> proceeds toward >>>>>>>> further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly >>>>>>>> documented objects (or example patches, which is basically >>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>> thing). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How do you all think would be the best way of going about this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as >>>>>>>> a sort of >>>>>>>> grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't >>>>>>>> know how >>>>>>>> to go about this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any/all input is welcome >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Ben >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ----- >>>>> ------------ >>>>> ---- ----- >>>>> ---- -------- - ------ >>>>> http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com >>>>> http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://benbakersmith.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pd-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >

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Building PD-extended
by danomatika 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 04:18 +0200, pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: > hello pd'people! > > > i am trying to install Pd.extened-41.4 on a debian64 sid (unstable) > kernel 2.6.30- > i have been looking around and the option of installing 32bit with > ia32lbs an ---force-architecture > gave me libsasound2 problems.. > so i found a tutorial that explain how two build from source for > 64bits.. i have managed to compile the extended libraries.. and run > make install && make packages... here everything gives the ok.. and > then after compiling for a while it gives me an error saying that i > have a problem with DEBIAN/control file on line 9.. in "depends" > field, > that i its missing a packages name or that garbage has been found.. > when checking this file.. in the place of dependes it says: xterm, > ttf-bitsream-vera > > i dont really understand what the problem is.. can somebody helpme It's probably missing a comma: xterm, ttf-bitsream-vera<----------- add ',' here. I had the same problem (http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended64bitUbuntuIntrepid): If, like me, you get an error similar to this: dpkg-deb: parse error, in file /home/dano/Desktop/pd-build/Pd-0.40.3-extended/packages/linux_make/build//DEBIAN/control near line 8 \package pd-extended: Depends field, syntax error after reference to package zlib1g make: *** deb Error 2 then there is a comma missing after a dependency. Open the Debian control file, look through the dependency list on line 8, and add the missing comma(s) after the referenced package in the error, in this case "zlib1g": --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com

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d_fat extension ???
by Andres Ferrari 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

hello, is d_fat a new extension for externals in OSX? how works? I have pd extended 0.40.3 on OSX intel 10.5.5, but no objects with this extension works in my system. thanks!!! Andrés Ferrari G. http://www.myspace.com/anfex ____________________________________________________________________________________ ¡Obtén la mejor experiencia en la web! Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads.yahoo.com/ieak8/?l=e1

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making scales from frequency values
by J bz 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

Dear all, I have five chimes. I've worked out the frequencies (using Audacity) of the 5 strongest partials of each chime. I now want to be able to work out how to change the octaves of the various partials? My original intention was to find the nearest midinote and just use those but after listening to the results I would much prefer to keep the original ratio's whilst being able to alter the 'inversions'. Here's the list that I have already: BT1 912Hz 2434Hz 4575Hz 7175Hz 11584Hz BT2 1081Hz 2861Hz 5339Hz 8325Hz 15209Hz BT3 1211Hz 3196Hz 5935Hz 9199Hz 15206Hz BT4 1347Hz 3553Hz 6569Hz 10128Hz 18139Hz BT5 1812Hz 4699Hz 8525Hz 13264Hz 15469Hz Is there one piece of mathematrical wizardy that can sort this in Pd? Cheers, Jbz

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purepd atan2~ without expr/externals?
by Frank Barknecht 08 Aug '09

08 Aug '09

Hi, I'd like to use a signal [atan2~] in a Pd without externals nor [expr~] (i.e. inn RjDj). Does anyone have a purepd implementation of it or maybe a pointer to some math/trigonometric identity/ln-substituion formula for atan2? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht Do You RjDj.me? _ ______footils.org__

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ptl and IanniX
by Rich E 04 Aug '09

04 Aug '09

Hi, I've been looking at these two applications for graphical notation via OSC: ptl: D. Henry, “PTL, a new sequencer dedicated to graphical scores,” in Proc. of the 2004 Int. Computer Music Conf, 2004, 738–41. http://dh7.free.fr/otl/PTL_dh20040312.pdf IanniX: T. Coduys and G. Ferry, “IanniX aesthetical/symbolic visualisations for hypermedia composition,” in Proceedings International Conference Sound and Music Computing (SMC’04), 2004. http://www.la-kitchen.fr/download/Papers/PAPER_077.pdf (what in youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvGFtYzJ88s) I suppose their developers or users are on this list, so I was wondering about a couple things. These papers are from the same year, yet I take it they are separate projects. Has this changed at all? How does time work in ptl? I don't have the program, but from one of the images it looks like time flows left->right, triggering the events made by the position of shapes. Any progress in these applications in the last 5 years, or others? cheers, Rich

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gem pix shear
by Py Fave 02 Aug '09

02 Aug '09

hello list i'm trying to slant (kind of shear xy) a pix any advice on how to do this ? i tried to use pix_coordinates , freeframe plugins, pdmtl (without luck . Please check the image i joined. it shows the kind of transformations i need. then it should be recursive, but i keep it for later... i hope the images makes sense. it's missing the first state wich is 4 squares side by side Thanks and have a nice end of we Pierre-Yves Paris France

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Mmmore PdCon pics
by Marco Donnarumma 02 Aug '09

02 Aug '09

Hi everybody, finally recovered from Brasil and put online some pics, you can check it here: http://www.thesaddj.com/pics/ or download them all here: http://www.thesaddj.com/tempd/SAD_PdCon09-webselecta.zip These are web resolution, if someone wants hi-res just write me. more pics have to come, but it will be a selection of the views of the city - no pd nerding.... :) Great times in there guys, it has been a pleasure to contribute to this event and meet all of you for real. cheers -- Marco Donnarumma aka The !S.A.D! Multimedia Artist, Live Performer - Roma, IT LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

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'kick' in Pd
by Vitor Monaco 01 Aug '09

01 Aug '09

Hello, I am Vitor Monaco in Sao Paulo - Brazil, I am aware of the pd to a week, some scratching sounds and articulate some schemes. I wonder if someone can give me any tips on how to produce a 'Kick'. grateful, Vitor

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