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by j milo taylor 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

Hi, That sounds interesting. I can't seem to find the detox external?

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Re: [PD] print all abstractions and externals
by Hans Roels 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

that 's an interesting idea but I don't know if this is possible with pd-vanilla, I didn't try it yet. I made this patch to be able to save all files that I need for one patch. As Luigi also noticed, it would be good if this patch searched for abstractions within abstractions, I might try this one of the following weeks (time... holidays:). I guess I'll have to save the main output in a new [textfile] object that will be printed after the searching is finished because a lot of error messages will be printed in the main screen once I try to open abstractions within abstrations (some of them will be externals which can't be opened...) I use vanilla because it's very good for teaching purposes, the structure is never hidden (as in an external where you have to be able to read the source file). I also got tired of wasting my time with looking for the right externals for windows and apple for my students, now I'm sure that everyone can use the files that I make. hans r >Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:50:51 +0100 >To: João Pais <jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com> >From: Hans Roels <hans.roels(a)versateladsl.be> >Subject: Re: [PD] print all abstractions and externals > >At 23:06 6/07/2008, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I would like to reply with a couple of suggestions: >> >>Have you thought about another technique? instead of making several >>[select]s with lots of variables (which will have to be checked now and >>then, as we don't know fow now which version of vanilla was your reference >>version), you could take on a more environment-dependent approach: pd >>scans the extra folder (including subfolders) for installed >>externals/abstractions and writes the names of the installed objects in a >>list (or [textfile] (or [msgfile]) ) - they're easy to find if you look >>for the endings .pd (abstractions), or .dll / .pd_linux / .darwin [actual >>non-windows extensions are wrong, I think]. >>That would create a personal database for each pd installation for each >>user (assuming that users add something to their extra folder or a user >>has several versions of pd installed). Then the patch->environment >>comparation process you already programmed would take place. Meaning, you >>could test quite easily if a patch you want to open has any elements your >>system doesn't have. >> >>One option to look automatically for objects in abstractions could be: >>pre-scan the patch folder (+ subfolders, if any?), and see if they come up >>in the results. if so, just open those files automatically afterwards. >> >> >>For what use did you thought the patch might be useful? I think it's quite >>useful if I want to make a "standalone" patch, which has to be packaged >>with the program with it - and for that vanilla+ is better as extended. >>But from my opinion, I don't know nowadays how many people are working >>with vanilla instead of with extended (except some hardcore users). I >>guess new users use extended, since both are now in parallel versions. >>As it was replied, [5] isn't "wrong". for example, if [5] is triggered by >>another object (and not a message), it's more efficient to have >>[object]->[object] than [object]->[message(, as data types don't have to >>be converted. (as I read some years ago in this list) >>But if you (rightfully) don't want floats to go in your list, you can >>filter them out, a [route float] with no connection from the first outlet >>does it. (I just tried it) >> >> >>João Pais >> >>PS: for GUI design, I always say "GOP is your friend" - specially now, >>when you can even hide the creation name/arguments >> >> >>>I've made a patch that might be useful for others. In the attached >>>patch you can open a pd-file and the main window prints all the >>>abstractions or externals that you need to make the patch work. It >>>doesn't detect abstractions within abstractions though and it also >>>prints objects like [5] or [$1], I didn't find a solution for this >>>(small) problem yet. (I'd think it is bad pratice to use [5] in sted >>>of [5( or am I wrong?) >>>I wanted to make a patch that copied all the necessary abstractions >>>and the file itself to a new folder but I ended up with this simpler >>>solution... >>> >>>hans r >> >> >> >>-- >>Friedenstr. 58 >>10249 Berlin >>Deutschland >>Tel +49 30 42020091 >>Mob +49 162 6843570 >>jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com >>skype: jmmmpjmmmp >>http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp >>IBM Thinkpad R51, XP, Ubuntu GG >>Pd-Ext-0.39-2-t5, Pd Van 0.40-t2

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vline~, vsnapshot~, etc.
by Matt Barber 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

Dumb question: What does the "v" in [vline~], [vsnapshot~], etc. mean? Is it also the same in the "vinlet" and "vexpr" object classes? Thanks, Matt

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best way to do 1/x
by Atte André Jensen 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

Hi What's the best way to do 1/x? I have something like: |10 ( | \ |bang( | | / |1( / |/ | -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk

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Mac OS X 10.3 build for Pd-extended
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

I put together a test build for Pd-extended on 10.3. Please test it: http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html You might need to copy Gem.pd_darwin out of the previous version of Pd-extended to make it work. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2", by Mohja Kahf

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analog-modelling 808 hihat and cowbell
by Damian Stewart 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

hey everyone, to complement Roman Haefeli's excellent 808 kick and clap abstractions (http://www.romanhaefeli.net/software/pd/rdz_dsplib.tar.gz), i've put together a hihat and cowbell, constructed by close listening to a collection of 808 samples. it's not perfect but it's close enough. put all the attached patches together in the same folder and open 808test.pd. enjoy, and send me links to audio if you use it :-) take care d -- damian stewart | +31 6 5902 5782 | damian(a)frey.co.nz frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz #N canvas 187 161 622 421 10; #X obj 66 249 808cowbell; #X obj 67 100 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 163 247 808hihat; #X obj 188 100 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 340 95 hsl 128 15 0.7 1.3 0 0 empty empty empty -2 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 7700 1; #X text 351 79 master tuning; #X obj 337 161 s 808-tuning; #X obj 382 281 808brain; #X obj 162 101 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; 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delay problems
by Ricardo Dueñas Parada 08 Jul '08

08 Jul '08

Hi list, I want to ask you about a problem I'm having for a while. Sometimes the object delay doesn't work correctly, I mean, if I put a 500, I expect to have a 500 ms bang delay. And it does, but when it wants. Other times it just let the bang pass, as with 0 delay. Most of the times it happens when I have a delay right after an inlet, seriously I don´t know what could be happening. I correct it by changing the value of the delay, usually to 1000, and it works correctly, then I rewrite the correct value. Any idea? _Ricardo

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change in range
by Ben Carney 08 Jul '08

08 Jul '08

since cyrille answered my question with cat like speed and pinpoint accuracy, I have another on for the list. I know change doesnt let same numbers pass on. Is there a way to only let numbers pass on if they are say... plus or minus 3 of the current value? -- Ben C.

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[pd] where is sssad?
by hard off 08 Jul '08

08 Jul '08

i have sssad on my system, so i definitely found it once. but no matter what i enter into google, i can't find it again. please help.

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Pdpedia error messages
by Thomas Mayer 08 Jul '08

08 Jul '08

Hi, when I try to open http://wiki.puredata.info/en/ I get all those php messages: Warning: require_once(WikiFamilySettings.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /Library/WebServer/VirtualHosts/pdpedia/htdocs/en/LocalSettings.php on line 29 Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'WikiFamilySettings.php' (include_path='/Library/WebServer/VirtualHosts/pdpedia/htdocs/en:/Library/WebServer/VirtualHosts/pdpedia/htdocs/en/includes:/Library/WebServer/VirtualHosts/pdpedia/htdocs/en/languages:.:') in /Library/WebServer/VirtualHosts/pdpedia/htdocs/en/LocalSettings.php on line 29 cu Thomas -- "Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective. They're a kind of job insurance." (Leto II. in: Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune) http://thomas.dergrossebruder.org/

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