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Re: [PD] pix_record + DV
by >---------------<[O:O]>---------------< 19 May '08

19 May '08

Hello, the attachement was in my previous e-mail (see at the bottom) In case of pb, I put the file there : http://dl.free.fr/lnSR3uQU9/dyn-pix_record_list-files.pd a+ benjamin flashbacker(a)free.fr a écrit : > Thanx benjamin > But you forgot the attachment :) > > ----- Mail Original ----- > De: ">---------------<[O:O]>---------------<" <benjah(a)free.fr> > À: pd-list(a)iem.at > Cc: flashbacker(a)free.fr > Envoyé: Vendredi 16 Mai 2008 12:20:10 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne > Objet: Re: [PD] pix_record + DV > > Hi list, > > I had the same problem (fixed image on the second recording) so I made a > small dynamic patch that re-recreates [pix_record] each time > It was working fine on MacOS and Linux, we were able to record DV Cam in > full resolution with mjpeg codec (? not sure to remember well the codec) > and good quality > In attached patch, I put also a small shell system to count the number > of files in the directory and add +1 to the filename to avoid same names > > hope it helps > benjamin > > > > marius schebella a écrit : > >> flashbacker(a)free.fr wrote: >> >> >>> I've just tested with your patch and still got the same bug... >>> What's pd version are you using??? >>> And how many successives recording did you do? >>> >>> >> I made 4 recordings, each a few seconds. I am using pd-extended version >> from 0428. >> another thing that seems important, I got crashes when the file I wanted >> to record already existed. >> but besides that, everything seems to work fine. >> maybe this is related to some system libraries, I downloaded lots of >> them (to be able to compile gem myself). >> >> I just tested with 0515 now, and it works for me, too. just make sure >> you don't try to record a file that already exists. >> marius. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> > > > #N canvas 263 26 1252 914 10; > #X obj -2 1 cnv 15 1280 1024 empty empty Presence 20 12 0 14 -1 -128992 > 0; > #X obj 0 726 cnv 15 390 200 empty empty Affichage 20 12 0 14 -195568 > -66577 0; > #X obj 402 727 cnv 15 390 200 empty empty Initialisations 20 12 0 14 > -195568 -66577 0; > #X obj 19 261 cnv 15 1240 460 empty empty empty 20 12 0 14 -66577 -66577 > 0; 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[PD-announce] workshop Pure Data - EESI Poitiers (FR) - 21/22/23 May
by propaganda＠goto10.org 19 May '08

19 May '08

Bonjour, /for english version please scroll down/ GOTO10 organise une série de workshops à l'Ecole Européenne Supérieure de l'Image (EESI) centrés sur les logiciels libres et open source (FLOSS) pour la création numérique. Le prochain workshop se déroule les 21, 22 et 23 mai à l'EESI de Poitiers sur le logiciel Pure Data et son utilisation pour la musique live et en reseau. Ce workshop est *ouvert à tous*, voir modalités d'inscription plus bas. Le workshop a pour but de familiariser dans un premier temps les participants avec le logiciel et par la suite de les amener à constituer un environnement musical avec lequel ils pourront interagir et jouer en réseau. Cet atelier s'adresse à tout étudiant et artiste désirant s'initier a la synthèse sonore temps réel, intégrer Pure Data dans leur performance, ou bien simplement découvrir ce logiciel. Voir planning indicatif sur http://devzero.goto10.org/doku.php?id=workshop3:start intervenants : Aymeric Mansoux (FR) Chun Lee (TW) assistés de Thomas Vriet (FR). dates : 21/22/23 mai 2008 9h-12h30 / 14h-17h30 lieu : Ecole Européenne Supérieure de l'Image 26 rue Jean Alexandre 86000 Poitiers - France inscriptions - *nombre de places limitées* : participation souhaitée de 20 euros + adhésion GOTO10 de 10 eur *pour s'inscrire, contactez thomas ar0base goto10 p0int org* NB: les étudiants de l'EESI ont accès gratuitement à cet atelier ils doivent s'inscrire directement à l'EESI Plus d'infos : http://devzero.goto10.org/doku.php?id=workshop3:start LE WORKSHOP SERA CONDUIT EN FRANÇAIS ET ANGLAIS -- Hello, /pour la version en français, remonter plus haut :) / GOTO10 organizes a series of workshops at the European School of Visual Arts (EESI) focused on free/libre and open source software (FLOSS) for digital arts. The next workshop will take place the 21st, 22nd and 23rd of May at the EESI of Poitiers (France), the topic will cover how to use Pd in a network based live music performance. This workshop is *open to everyone*, see registration details at the bottom. *Workshop #3 – Pure Data and performance* teachers: Aymeric Mansoux (FR) Chun Lee (TW) with the help of Thomas Vriet (FR). date: 21-22-23 May 2008 9h-12h30 / 14h-17h30 location: Ecole Européenne Supérieure de l'Image 26 rue Jean Alexandre 86000 Poitiers - France registration: 20 euros fee + GOTO10 membership required (10 eur) *to subscribe, please contact thomas at goto10 d0t org* More infos : http://devzero.goto10.org/doku.php?id=workshop3:start THE WORKSHOP WILL BE IN FRENCH AND ENGLISH -- :* _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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OT: looking for programs of study (postgraduate)
by Remmy Canedo 19 May '08

19 May '08

Hi list I've finished my studies in music composition (bachelor's degree) and now I want to continue my studies (postgraduate or similar). I'm looking for a research program, master or doctorate related to composition & computer music, including acoustics, psychoacoustics, musical analysis, audiovisuals, real time performance, and all related with music & machines. Any country or language serves!.If you know a good place to continue studing please let me know. Thanks a lot!rcmicrotono(a)hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ ¿Aburrido? Ingresa ya y diviertete como nunca en MSN Juegos. http://juegos.cl.msn.com/

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scofo
by Matt Barber 18 May '08

18 May '08

Hello, I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before, but -- is it likely that the [scofo] object used in pdrp will be included in any official releases of PD (or extended)? If not, are there any restrictions on grabbing it from pdrp and using it in patches other than the pdrp set (I don't get the feeling there are based on the opening comments in the scofo.c file, but I just want to make sure). Thanks, Matt

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Re: [PD] dynamic GOP resize glitch
by Matt Barber 18 May '08

18 May '08

Hello, I tried this out on 0.39 extended and got the same problem, but it seems to work fine in 0.41 vanilla on initial tests - the cable redraws happen accurately and immediately upon GOP resize. The problem in 0.39 seems to be with the parent, not with the abstraction, and like you the only thing I can get to work automatically are things that force an entire parent window redraw, e.g. sending a font message. Maybe slightly less hackish and more explicit would be to send a "vis 0" immediately followed by a "vis 1" to the parent, but that would close your window for an instant. I thought sending a "tidy" message might work, but it didn't. Let us know if you find anything else, since this is something I will be dealing with soon. Best, Matt > Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:20:18 +0900 > From: "hard off" <hard.off(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [PD] dynamic GOP resize glitch > To: "pd-list(a)iem.at" <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Message-ID: > <161320dd0805172220w40784e41l1f5cd5d49a194ad3(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > i have made an GOP abstraction that dynamically resizes itself when its > settings are changed. > this all works fine, except for one glitch: > > the cables leading out of this object are not scaled or moved. > > this is giving me half-cables, and cables coming out of the middle of an > abstraction, etc.. > > temporary fix is just to turn edit mode on and move the abstraction by 1 > pixel, but there must be a better way. > > any ideas? >

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pd extended huge xruns when running jack
by jean-martin barbut 18 May '08

18 May '08

Hi, I experiment huge xruns with pd/jack. No matter if I change pd latency or jack latency. It only appears with pd, no issue with ardour or other softs. It appears only with jack, not with alsa or oss. But it appears with jack on alsa. It's also happening more when moving mouse pointer or moving windows. Any ideas ? Esox

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Re: [PD] dynamic GOP resize glitch
by Matt Barber 18 May '08

18 May '08

Hello, Thanks for this; it worked for me -- sending a "pop" message to the name of the canvas in the abstraction (not to the parent) seems to allow the cables coming from a GOP abstraction to connect in a visually correct manner after GOP resize in both 0.39(extended) and 0.41, although I do get the following message: consistency check failed: gstack_pop Thanks, Matt marius schebella wrote: > I very very vaguely remember something like a loadbang or a something > like a "pop" message that is used for some graphical update thing and > you could try if that helps you with the GOP to make it redraw in the > parent patch. this might not work at all, just an idea, and I am not > sure about the situation, in which I used it, but I think it was in > connection with dynamic creation of arrays. > hmm, yes, maybe this is something completely different. > marius. > > > hard off wrote: >> ok, it's really hackish, but my current solution is to send a 'font' >> message to the parent, which forces a window redraw. >> >> seems to work ok, but i'm not really fond of such way-out approaches, >> and it might start to get cluggy once i load in some sequencers and >> stuff with more gui graphics. >> >> >

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dynamic GOP resize glitch
by hard off 18 May '08

18 May '08

i have made an GOP abstraction that dynamically resizes itself when its settings are changed. this all works fine, except for one glitch: the cables leading out of this object are not scaled or moved. this is giving me half-cables, and cables coming out of the middle of an abstraction, etc.. temporary fix is just to turn edit mode on and move the abstraction by 1 pixel, but there must be a better way. any ideas?

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Re: [PD] dropout problems
by Matteo Sisti Sette 18 May '08

18 May '08

I sent this from the wrong address so I re-send it. In case it reaches the list twice I apologize. Hi, Curiously enough, I am having CRAZY and inexplicable dropout problems too (but on windows). I've described them in a previous thread, and I have no idea whether there may be any relation between my dropout problems and yours. However, there are some similarities: 1) I also use two instances of PD: one generating audio (with dsp turned on), and the other one for only GUI, with dsp turned off. In my case both are PD-Vanilla. 2) They communicate with each other with netsend/netreceive 3) Cpu usage is very low (much lower than yours); even with near to 0% cpu usage (on both pd instances) I get dropouts 4) The quantity of messages being sent through netsend/netreceive cannot justify dropouts: in your case it cannot because the rate of messages is fixed and you get dropouts only in some cases; in my case, it cannot justify because even when NO data is being transmitted in either direction, I get dropouts 5) This happens on one machine and doesn't happen on another machine, both windows xp with the same version of pd (vanilla 0.41-3) and with the same patches. Both machines are very similar (two laptops from the same vendor and almost same model) and the non-dropout one does NOT have faster CPU (though not slower either) - the only difference I can tell is the non-dropout one has more RAM: 2GB vs one In my case, both the audio-generating patch and the GUI-only patch are very "big", i.e. use much memory (lots of objects containing losts of instances of lots of abstractions, etc) BUT they are doing _really_ almost nothing when I still get dropouts. All idle audio abstractions/subpatches are always switch~ed off. The audio patch has a lot of tables, into which I load a lot of audio data _at the beginning_ so that uses a lot of memory too - however, even if I DON'T load audio data (so I do have a lot of tables but they are all very small and use much less memory) I equally experience dropouts - on one machine. My only suspects/guesses A) some memory issue (though using around 100-200 MB memory on a 1GB machine shouldn't justify persistent memory trashing generating many dropouts per second forever) B) some issue with "big quantity of things", that is: "things which PD does" every once in a while even when the patch is not doing nothing, and which take O(f(N)) time where N is the number of total objects (or total whatever) and f(N) is an increasing function? C) some bug in netsend/netreceive "silently" communicating with each other even when the patches are not sending anything?? D) some kind of unexpected interference between multiple instances of PD???? Are B-D absolute nonsense? Probably my issue and yours are unrelated, but I was very surprised to read another case of unexplicable dropouts and to note the coincidences (especially 2 instances of PD running and communicating). Andy Farnell mentioned [line] and I assume he meant what he said, i.e. [line] and not [line~]. I may have more than a few [line] objects around but they are absolutely "idle" (as far as I'm responsible) while I get dropouts (i.e. not receiving input nor producing output). Same goes for [line~]s that are even switched~ off. I test it by listening to an [osc~ 500] when EVERYTHING else is doing absolutely nothing in both patches and I get dropouts. Often (not always), dropouts begin when one may reasonably expect to get a short burts of dropouts: for example minimizing and maximizing a patch window full of GUI (note however that I do this on the pd instance that is NOT generating audio... however this may "steal" cpu to the other instance for a while) - but then they never ever end!!! Well.... any clues about Roman's problem may be of interest to me too!!! Thanks m.

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install pd-ext from .deb?
by João Pais 18 May '08

18 May '08

Hi, I am newish to ubuntu, so I hope I'm not offending anyone by asking this. I already have pd-van 0.40.2-2 and pd-ext 0.39.3-1 installed on my system, but through synaptic (old versions, of course). So I just downloaded the freshest build, Pd-0.40.3-extended-20080516-ubuntu-gutsy-i386.deb. When I click on the file, and the installer opens up, it says "Error: Conflicts with the installed package 'puredata' " (that would be pd-van). I also noticed that pd-van was installed in usr/bin/pd, pd-ext in usr/local/bin/pd, and the new installer wants to install the files in usr/lib/pd. So I wanted to ask: - which is the best way to install the new pd version? or is there a way to add a repository where the newest version is available, so that synaptic updates it automatically? - Is it possible to install pd-ext where the program already is, usr/local/bin/pd? - if pd-van (puredata) and pd-ext are different programs, why is the new .deb file colliding with 'puredata', that is, pd-van? - I have already changed some files / made copies of them in the same folder. In case I install the new version on the same folder, will only repeated files be overwritten? (f.e., "default.pdsettings" will be for sure overwritten, but "default.pdsettings_backup" on the same folder won't disappear?) Thanks, JoÃ£o Pais -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin Deutschland Tel +49 30 42020091 Mob +49 162 6843570 jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com skype: jmmmpjmmmp http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp IBM Thinkpad R51, XP, Ubuntu GG Pd-Ext-0.39-2-t5, Pd Van 0.40-t2

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