Pd-list June 2007

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Kansas City Area Pd Users?
by Kyle Klipowicz 20 Jun '07

20 Jun '07

Hi List~ I'm just doing a quick shout out to locate any or all Pd users in the Kansas City area. If there are any, please speak up! ~Kyle -- ----- ------------ ---- ----- ---- -------- - ------ http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com

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dssi~
by victor 20 Jun '07

20 Jun '07

someone use [dssi~] with debian etch?

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documentation (was: DSP abstractions)
by Mathieu Bouchard 20 Jun '07

20 Jun '07

> A bridge with automated service discovery could be nice, but I fear that > it may also be too much bureaucracy and in the end may not help, I would especially like to say, beware of the bureaucracy and anything that looks like it. It has to do with what the values of pd are: $1 = nice colours $2 = nice layout $3 = helppatches have consistent colours and layout $4 = helppatches have consistent structure: every section that is supposed to be in every helppatch has at least something written in it $5 = helppatches are kept up to date $6 = helppatches communicate concisely, minimising the boilerplate copypasting that you have to learn to skip over in order to get to the actual information $7 = helppatches communicate the intent and the spirit of pd $8 = helppatches are complete, communicating everything you may have to know about pd So far, PDDP emphasises the top of the list. If I were (or rather "when I will be") taking care of documentation I'd concentrate on the bottom of the list. I especially don't care about PDDP because it emphasises $1,2,3,4. By emphasising $1,2,3,4 it makes $5 that much more difficult and especially it makes it boring. At least if you're writing tricky documentation and you don't like writing documentation you can have a sense that you're doing something tricky which uses your intelligence, whereas applying $1,2,3,4 is not. Item $4 is especially infuriating because it puts the respect of top-down rules of documentation more important than effective communication, which may (and will) conflict with $5,$6,$7,$8, especially if $4 doesn't doesn't include provisions for straying away from mere form-filling. To be fair, $7 is partially covered by the "all about" patches, but it could be a lot more than that, especially considering $8. I would continue with $9, $10, and more important values that are completely foreign to PDDP, but this email is already long enough. > That help-patch may be quick and dirty, but it must *exist*. That's very $8. > And a service discovery bridge may also be built later as a decorator > abstraction itself around the original abstractions. You mean like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decorator_pattern ? (original page at http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?DecoratorPattern ) _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada

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match the closest number
by Mathieu Bouchard 20 Jun '07

20 Jun '07

Nice. That's what I was looking for to improve my closest-note abstraction. See http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions/Contents#head-musical It is currently only "flooring" the values, I think. Closest is what it really means to be. (with floats, not just integers. If you need something that can work efficiently for a lot of intervals, what you ought to do is pre-sort them, then make a list of the averages of each two consecutive values. The result is a list of boundaries between the domains of each value; then you can find where is your closest value by a binary search in O(log n) time. _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada

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gem mouse, how to get absolute coords?
by danja 20 Jun '07

20 Jun '07

hi, being totally astonished by the answer to my previous post, i come with another sort of n00b/lazy question... object [mouse] in gem outputs relative coordinates, between '-1' and '1' for each of the two coordinates. there are few reasons for such behaviour, first device itself reports only relative movements, second there are no physical boundaries for it to move (so where is the centre then?)... that's clear. however use of such streams is rather limited, in my case i use mice as "measure" devices so would like to get more or less absolute coords... as i read in archives, Hans was planning on adding object [mousepointer] but it doesn't seem like it made it there, which is a pity... ;) object that could take 'calibration' dimensions and give out absolute 'x' and 'y' calculated from [mouse] outlets would be something very useful in my believe. 'autocalibration' is handy too. in the meantime, could anyone point me towards any (rough) method of 'triangulating' the mouse and getting absolute numbers? take care, danja p.s. i can't use [gemmouse] as i'm having five devices and need to read them individually.

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Re: [PD] Turning on/off an installation
by adam armfield 19 Jun '07

19 Jun '07

enabling power on by lan (in the bios) should allow remote control (along with shutting down via ssh or telnet i expect) all the best adam ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail Â Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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How can i add binaries at File>Startup...?
by Javier García 19 Jun '07

19 Jun '07

HI, when i go to File> Startup..., i see a list of binaries. How can i add one? I dont get it..... br Javi _________________________________________________________________ Descubre la descarga digital con MSN Music. MÃ¡s de un millÃ³n de canciones. http://music.msn.es/

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(netpd)U(Pd-extended), Pd-ext bug-tracker (was Re: elitism, software and academia)
by Kyle Klipowicz 19 Jun '07

19 Jun '07

You can submit edited patches to the bug tracker on the sourceforge page [http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=55736&atid=478070 direct link]. I am now wondering something: why haven't these awesomely functional netpd object been included as abstractions within Pd-extended?!?! Seriously, they are the most functional and useable get-started-out-of-box things to represent Pd around, and they are not in Pd-extended! ~Kyle On 6/8/07, patrice colet <megalegoland(a)yahoo.fr> wrote: > Le vendredi 08 juin 2007 à 21:35 +0200, Georg Holzmann a écrit : > > And you are invited to help - cleaning up some patches, adding comments, > > include out-of-the-box examples, > Where would I submit corrected files? -- ----- ------------ ---- ----- ---- -------- - ------ http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com

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[PD-announce] 25/26/27 Junio : Hangar : Taller de electronica DIY y Pure Data
by ydegoyon＠free.fr 19 Jun '07

19 Jun '07

-------------------------------------------------------------- 25-27 de junio en Hangar, 15h - 21h http://www.hangar.org/docs/mapa_hangar.gif numero max. de participantes : 10 inscripción : 20 euros (cubre los materiales electrónicos para construir instrumentos que los participantes conservarán) Habrá ordenadores disponibles pero se recomienda traer su propia máquina para instalar puredata y asegurar la continuidad de la osmosis para participar enviar un email con carta de motivación a pueblo (at) mail.ljudmila.org Osmosis de electrónica Hazlo tu mismx (DIY) y Pure Data. con yves degoyon y alejandra pérez núnez Nos encontraremos en esta osmosis de software y electrónica para soldar, programar y escribir wikis. Durante tres dias lxs participantes fabricarán micrófonos, radios galenas, emisores minifm solares y aprenderan técnicas de procesamiento de frecuencias y sampling de sonido con puredata. La osmosis nos sugiere una forma orgánica de relación en que se pueden producir varios intercambios espontáneos entre dimensiones. Nos resistimos a las limitaciones que impone el purismo centrado en el trabajo técnico y nos gustaría iniciar un grupo de osmosis en que las diferencias de concentración provocarán movimientos. Se invita a participantes de todos los horizontes y puntos de vista a escribir juntxs un texto sobre las contínuas relaciones e intercambios entre humanxs y máquinas mientras construimos transmisores de radio, micrófonos y software de procesamiento de audio. Daremos especial énfasis a la construcción de artefactos que puedan ser usados en juguetes, vestuario y joyas como una manera de involucrar en esta osmosis nuestra vida e intereses cotidianos. Convocatoria completa y programa de la osmosis en: http://www.hangar.org/osmosis/ -------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Re: [PD] OSC between win and mac
by martin.peach＠sympatico.ca 19 Jun '07

19 Jun '07

> Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Hallo, > Johannes Krause hat gesagt: // Johannes Krause wrote: > > > i send OSC messages from a windows computer > > (running eyecon) to a mac (running pd). > > > > > > when i am using: > > > > > > dumpOSC 7000 > > I > > I > > OSCroute /Poly1 /Poly2 /Poly3 > > I > > > > there is no output in the atomboxes. > > > > > > how to receive OSC messages in pd? > > > > where i have to specify the ip? > > You have to specify it in the "connect" message you give [sendOSC]. > It's the same as with [netsend]. > If you're receiving you don't specify the ip, only the port. The sender specifies both the ip and port. Be sure that both machines are set up to pass udp packets on port 7000. Martin

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