Pd-list March 2007

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Audio drops when using readsf~ with large sound files
by david lemarechal 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Hi List, I have to play simultaneously 8 large soundfile (about 30min at 44,1kHz/16bit, e.g. about 70 Mb each in wav format) on 8 different outputs. I use readsf~ on Windows but audio drops out at every disk access (when the Disk Acess LED of my laptop blinks), and of course this occurs very frequently... I can hear about one minute without drops, then it occurs at a fixed frequency (which I didn't calculate exactly). I tried to load each files with a long delay, tried to defragment, nothing change. I tried to change the bloksize flag, and the arguments of readsf~, with no luck. Is there another external designed to play large sound files, or will I have to cut my sound files into smaller ones and tabplay~ them with a soundfiler ? Any suggestions are welcome ! Thanks David --------------------------------- DÃ©couvrez une nouvelle faÃ§on d'obtenir des rÃ©ponses Ã toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expÃ©riences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/RÃ©ponses.

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Installing on Linux: i cant execute pd
by Javier García 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Hi, i downloaded pd extended release 0.38.4. I typed "make install" and and i didnt get any error. Now im trying to execute it from the terminal typing "pd" from /bin/ folder but nothing happens... Neither clicking on the icon. you know? _________________________________________________________________ Dale rienda suelta a tu tiempo libre. Mil ideas para exprimir tu ocio con MSN Entretenimiento. http://entretenimiento.msn.es/

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Broken links all over the place in Pd-extended help files (was: [PD] mapping library examples)
by Kyle Klipowicz 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Oh, ok. That sounds awesome and useful, thanks for the info! However... I tried looking at a random mapping patch in pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 but got what I did a few months back when I tried to look at it. I opened the amplitude_n-help.pd file and it generated this: error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list' error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list' error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list' error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list' error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list' error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list' error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list' error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list' ... etc. I found the culprit: inside the min_n.pd abstraction there are two undefined objects, minimum and maximum. Now my question is this: If we are getting to the point of expecting users to magically know how use the import function, why is it not automatgically included in all the help patches that utilize functions that must be imported in order to not create a broken patch? It seems to me that all help patches should include the necessary import calls so that they are not broken. It seems to me that more than half of the included help patches that I try to open on a fresh Pd-extended install (following all install instruction, i.e. copy the proper files to places on OSX) are broken for this reason. If this is the case, how can we claim that Pd-extended is easier to use and more refined? Please don't take these criticisms personally, I am a big fan of the work that has gone into this project. I would just like to understand these things. I may be missing something. But if I am, then for sure a hundred less-experienced users are too, and they may be scared away! With respect, ~Kyle On 1/30/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org> wrote: > > Basically, we are trying to come up with a whole collection of > fundamental building blocks for mapping controller data to something > being controlled. It need not only be for music, but that's my > background. Cyrille has a broader background in terms of mapping > than I. While we use these objects with controllers and sensors, > there is nothing that ties them to such uses. They could be used for > any situation where you want to manipulate ranges of data. > > Here's the academicese version: > > http://nime.org/2006/proc/nime2006_106.pdf > > Abstract > > Mapping has been discussed for decades, yet there is not a standard > catalog of mapping methods. The Mapping Library for Pd is a fledgling > library of mapping primitives with the aim of cataloging existing > mapping methods. Also included are techniques for conditioning sensor > data to make it usable in the context of instrument design. > > .hc > > On Jan 30, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > > > Yes, please do. I recall looking at it briefly, but didn't know what > > it was created to be used for. Is it in tandem with HID? > > > > ~Kyle > > > > On 1/30/07, padawan12 <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> Hans, please could you give a very quick summary of the mapping > >> library > >> and the problems it's intended to solve (for those of us who > >> missed the > >> announce, or forgot). > >> > >> Cheers > >> Andy > >> > >> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:17:49 -0500 > >> Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Cyrille and I started work on the mapping library a while back. > >> I am > >> > wondering how many people have used some of the objects, and > >> whether > >> > anyone would be willing to share a project where they used some of > >> > the objects. We are writing a paper about the progress of this > >> > library, so it would be nice to include some examples from the real > >> > world (i.e. outside what we do ;) > >> > > >> > .hc > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> --- > >> > > >> > I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have > >> three > >> > meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their > >> minds, > >> > and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin > >> > Luther King, Jr. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > >> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > >> listinfo/pd-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > >> listinfo/pd-list > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > http://theradioproject.com > > http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com > > > > (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) > > (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) > > ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ > > _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ > > ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic > > > -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())()))) (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((()))) ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________ _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______ ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO

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pdj help_class ... couldn't create
by Federico Fontana 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Dear pd-list, I have Pd 0.40-2 running under WinXP,a nd want to install the pdj dll's and API's. After installing under the folder C:\Programmi\pd\pdj the files contained in pdj-0.8.2-win32.zip (yes, I'm writing from Italy), along with including msvcr71d.dll inside C:\Programmi\pd\bin, and once fixing the javahome path bug affecting jdk 1.5.0_11, when I open the help_pdj.pd patch I run into the following message from pd: pdj: using JVM C:\\Programmi\\Java\\jdk1.5.0_11\\jre\\bin\\server\\jvm.dll pdj: trying to compile class: help_class.java pdj: com.e1.pdj.PDJClassLoaderException: java.io.IOException: CreateProcess: javac help_class.java -classpath C:\\Programmi\\pd\\pdj\\pdj.jar\;\;file://C:/Programmi/pd/pdj/classes/\; -sourcepath C:\\Programmi\\pd\\pdj\\classes error=2 pdj help_class ... couldn't create pdj: trying to compile class: help_class.java pdj: com.e1.pdj.PDJClassLoaderException: java.io.IOException: CreateProcess: javac help_class.java -classpath C:\\Programmi\\pd\\pdj\\pdj.jar\;\;file://C:/Programmi/pd/pdj/classes/\; -sourcepath C:\\Programmi\\pd\\pdj\\classes error=2 pdj help_class @attr1 10 ... couldn't create This problem holds the same whatever .class file I try to include in a pd patch via pdj. (I'm also having building problems with pdj under Linux FC4 due to apache ant for Fedora 4, but this is another story) I'm at a lost. Do you have any suggestion to give and/or time to help me? Thanks in advance. Federico Fontana

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Some new [list]-abs: functional list processing
by Frank Barknecht 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Hi, CVS just saw three new abstractions for the [list]-abs collection, that have been inspired by the functional programming functions map, reduce and filter, known from Python and elsewhere. I attached the patches to this mail as well. The basic idea of how to do this in Pd is by IOhannes and Thomas Musil. (IOhannes and I were discussing it at the LAC in Berlin.) Instead of having the function to map inside the list-abstraction, as I did it with [list-apply], now the operation to do on the list items is handled outside the abstraction through a cross-connection. You'll better understand what I mean by looking at the help files. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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[PD-announce] Win32 port of LyonPotpourri externals
by alberto.zin＠poste.it 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Hi list, I've made a Win32 port of Eric Lyon's LyonPotpourri externals. They are here: http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/~elyon/LyonSoftware/Pd/ They are compiled using MinGW and linked against PD extended 0.39 test4. A readme is included in the sources for win. I tested them and they works fine for me, let me know if you have problems with this port. Note: any fault in dll compilation, makefile.win, etc. is mine, not Eric's.. Cheers Alberto >Greetings, >My LyonPotpourri externals are now available for Pd. The >distro is source >code that has been tested to compile on Mac OS X and Linux. >If anyone >develops a build for Windows please let me know. The code >is available here: >http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/~elyon/LyonSoftware/Pd/ >Cheers, >Eric Alberto Zin http://puredata.org/Members/AlbertoZ _______________________________________________ PD-announce mailing list PD-announce(a)iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Re: [PD] HRTF
by Chuckk Hubbard 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Was PD previously under GPL? I published my Pd patch together with copies of Pd, zexy, cyclone, and toxy, and the only license file I could find in my Pd folder was GPL. I meant this in exactly the sense you are saying, but I wasn't aware Pd was under the Berkley License. So after software has been released under a license, it is possible to retroactively change the license? Sounds strange to me. -Chuckk On 3/27/07, Mike McGonagle <mjmogo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think that CSound is more Open that PD, as I believe that > Miller has released PD under the Berkley License, which is far more > open than the GNU license, it doesn't require any kind of adherance to > any sort of policy, you can use it for whatever purposes you see fit, > even commercial... > > http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Software/LICENSE.txt > > Mike > > On 3/27/07, Chuckk Hubbard <badmuthahubbard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I believe Csound is under LGPL, and if I understand correctly the main > > difference is that people who use parts of it in commercial > > applications are not required to keep their source open. > > Someone else will know better, but to my understanding that makes > > Csound more open than Pd. > > > > -Chuckk > > > > On 3/28/07, padawan12 <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'd love to hear work that comes out of a combination of > > > Csound and Pd I think both are great, just different. > > > > > > > > > Something I feel very strongly about though, are there > > > still 'licensing issues' with Csound or has it shaken off > > > all it's encumberances and become a totally free OS > > > codebase? > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:23:29 -0400 > > > "Chuckk Hubbard" <badmuthahubbard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 3/27/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at> wrote: > > > > > Chuckk Hubbard wrote: > > > > > > Pd people continue to ignore Csound, and Csound people continue to > > > > > > ignore Pd, despite the great power of combining them. I can't help > > > > > > feeling like this is a symptom of being more interested in some > > > > > > intellectual problem than in using all of the available tools to make > > > > > > music. Not seeing the forest for the trees, in a way. > > > > > > > > > > this is somewhat true, but ignores the fact that Pd is well established > > > > > _outside_ the computer music community too. > > > > > > > > > > you cannot expect dsp-engineers developping the latest-and-greatest > > > > > binaural rendering system to get into csound. > > > > > (but they do use Pd) > > > > > > > > Fair enough. Csound is indeed audiocentric, as am I. I just know > > > > Csound has already implemented HRTF, and exists as a PD object, which > > > > I thought the poster wanted. If his interest is in pulling an > > > > abstraction apart to see how it works, then Csound probably isn't the > > > > easiest way. > > > > As far as computer music, it's true that I come across few people who > > > > are active on both lists, and occasional disparaging remarks about one > > > > or the other. I guess the best thing for me to do in that case is to > > > > try to show some of the great things that can come from the > > > > combination, rather than complaining about negativity. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Chuckk > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.badmuthahubbard.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.badmuthahubbard.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > -- > Help the Environment, Plant a Bush back in Texas! > > "I place economy among the first and most important republican > virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. > To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with > perpetual debt." > -- Thomas Jefferson, third US president, architect and author (1743-1826) > > "Give Peace a Chance" -- John Lennon (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) > > Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything > we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. > —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician > -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com

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HRTF
by Isidro Gonzalez 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Hi. I am looking for PD objects and/or abstractions to do HRTF filtering. Any ideas on where to get them? Thanks Isi ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

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Zexy object urn bug?
by Bosko Milakovic 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Hi! I have a question about Zexy (2.1) object urn. I think there is a bug in the second outlet. In the help patch this is writen: "when all the numbers have been drawn from the pool, the system is reset (the numbers are put back) and a bang is emitted via the second outlet" But this is not true. Bang is emitted not on the last number from the pool (list) but on the first number of the next cycle! Hm. I'm using this object in my patch and it took me cca 2 hours to find why patch doesn't work:) Zexy is one of my favorite externals. For me probably most useful. I would be glad if this could be solved. Thanks Bosko _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/

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Re: [PD] PD-list Digest, Vol 24, Issue 127
by nanodust 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Javier said: >i downloaded pd extended release 0.38.4. >I typed "make install" and and i didnt get any error. That's amazing >Now im trying to execute it from the terminal typing "pd" from /bin/ folder >but nothing happens... It doesn't give you any error output? Hard to help you if there are no errors... There has to be *something*... If you reply, also let us know at least what Distribution you're using (gentoo? Fedora? Ubuntu? Etc)

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