Pd-list March 2007

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pd windows installation help
by ryan dempsey 17 Mar '07

17 Mar '07

this is the third time today i've tried installing various versions of pd, and none will work. i'm running win xp on a dell inspiron 9300. when i start pd, nothing happens but it is shown as running in the task manager. i've had working versions on this particular computer before, but i wanted to update it and now nothing works. if anyone out there could help me, i would greatly appreciate it. thanks, ryan

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Re: [PD] Binary - integer conversion
by martin.peach＠sympatico.ca 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

I'm working on coding all the useful CMOS 4000 series chips as pd objects. They all use 0 and 1 as inputs and outputs. They were used in some sequencers and synths in the 70s and 80s. I could add objects to convert from float(integer) to binary as a kind of interface to them. I'll put them in cvs soon. Martin > > From: "David Powers" <cyborgk(a)gmail.com> > Date: 2007/03/16 Fri PM 01:44:54 EDT > To: "PD List" <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Subject: [PD] Binary - integer conversion > > Hello, > > Is it possible to somehow convert back and forth between integer and > binary in PD? > > My idea, is to represent simple drum machine style rhythms as binary > numbers. [101010001011]. Ok, so if this were a float, it would be > trivial to do a common task and shift the rhythm left or right. I > think, that other rhythmic variations would also be quite fast to > implement using this system, you can do binary math instead of list > operations which should be much faster, I assume. > > ~David > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >

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pure data courses
by George Higgs 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Hello, I am trying to find a 1 to 2 week intensive course for PD some time in 2007. I am based in Dublin, Ireland, but can travel. I have heard that a course was run in Norway, and London over the last two years, but they are not to be repeated this summer. Thank you. -George --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.

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gemkeyboard
by marius schebella 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

hi, just discovered that on OSX the keyboard objects (key, keyup, keyname) do not receive input when the gem window has the focus. unfortunately gemkeyboard is not an alternative, it only gives keydown messages. I am sure someone has workarounds for that... marius.

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Scrolllist using no GUI externals
by Alexandre Quessy 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Hi, I have started this little abstraction for a no-GUI-external scroll list. Maybe someone on this list would have some interest in improving it to make it work... I am not much familiar with the externals I used in it. Let me know if you make it work properly. :) We will add it in the https://devel.goto10.org/pdmtl (see the attached patches) -- Alexandre Quessy http://alexandre.quessy.net

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Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths
by shift8 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

thanks man, i'll check this out - but, for the record, i'm not put off by the maths so much (they are needed to implement, after all :), but i am most interested in practical implementations w/ and explorations of the implications of the techniques - that's my main interest and, like pd itself, augments my learning style. :) cheers & thx, star On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 18:04 -0700, Thomas Jeppesen wrote: > Not sure if it's exactly what you are after, but "the computer musical > tutorial" by Curtis Roads, takes you through it all in a not too > scientific/mathematic way. Actually I think it accompanies PD extremely > well. > > http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Music-Tutorial-Curtis-Roads/dp/0262680823/re… > > I hope you'll find it useful. > > Cheers! > Thomas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "shift8" <shift8(a)digitrash.com> > To: "padawan12" <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> > Cc: <pd-list(a)iem.at>; "Josh Steiner" <josh(a)vitriolix.com>; > <hard.off(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:54 AM > Subject: Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths > > > > dude - you are a ninja. uhm, i mean, a jedi. seriously - i want to > > emulate you a bit when i grow up ;P > > > > that said, what resources would you recommend that illustrate calculus > > as used for signal processing, but from a more functional point of view > > as opposed to a theoretical one. i know there are dsp chip programming > > guides for engineering, but there seems to be only "how" and not the > > "why" in most cases there. too theoretical of descriptions makes it > > difficult for me to visualize the action or imagine the sonic > > implications of the theory being discussed. > > > > personally, i find that the application of theories make much more sense > > than the abstract theories themselves. maybe it's brain damage, or > > perhaps plain 'ol ignorance. > > > > but anyway, here's a simple example: > > > > someone tells me an empirical definition of the nyquist theory, it's > > hard to get my head around. but if someone says "hey, you can't sample > > a frequency that is >= 1/2 of the sample rate, because the wavelength is > > too short in duration to fit sample boundaries, and it causes > > distortions that are related to the frequency being sampled." that > > totally makes sense. i can picture that from a functional point of > > view, and then have a much easier time with the math an theory of it. > > > > are there any resources, books, etc out that approach the subject of dsp > > in a style like this? > > > > thanks and high regards, > > star > > > > On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 15:24 +0000, padawan12 wrote: > >> [pow~] is from cyclone, I think in the case I used it (pow 2) you can > >> replace it with > >> an equivilent [expr~] expression or [*~]. I thought [lowpass] and > >> [highpass] were vanilla. > >> They are needed to set the coeffs for biquad~ > >> > >> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:49:29 -0800 > >> Josh Steiner <josh(a)vitriolix.com> wrote: > >> > >> > i seem to be missing: > >> > > >> > lowpass, highpass and pow~ > >> > > >> > running 0.39.2-extended-test7 on winxp > >> > > >> > -josh > >> > > >> > padawan12 wrote: > >> > > Sorry Hardoff, scratch that last load of rubbish. The parasite synth > >> > > is the > >> > > wrong patch, and I thought I was talking about different oscillators, > >> > > it > >> > > should have been something more like the ones here. The oscillator is > >> > > a dual-slope one in hoover-triangles.pd, much easier to pull out than > >> > > the last mess. > >> > > > >> > > Another take is the hoover-pwm.pd, which is a juno voice basically, > >> > > it's much brighter and > >> > > fizzy down low. It just depends what you want more in the low > >> > > registers, up high theres > >> > > not so much difference. > >> > > One is pulse width mod of a square, the other is slope mod of a > >> > > triangle, both have a bit > >> > > of frequency lfo on too at about 5 Hz. A fat Juno hoover noise uses > >> > > the fast chorus > >> > > so there's one on both versions. Each has the same sequence so you > >> > > can compare the sounds. > >> > > All the hoover flavours have a different character, like a highpass > >> > > resonant filter > >> > > makes an interesting addition. But what they share in common is a > >> > > busy sound made > >> > > by having 3 or 4 detuned components. Juno is a pwm + saw + square > >> > > mix, with the > >> > > square an octave down. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:34:01 +0900 > >> > > "hard off" <hard.off(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> andy's tokyo techno one is cool. > >> > >> > >> > >> but i want hoovers. i keep try to make them and they always suck. > >> > >> there must have been a secret ingredient that i am forgetting. > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > >> > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> > >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > >> > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> > >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > ________________________________________________________________ > >> > tasty electronic music vittles -- bluevitriol.com > >> > the only music blog you need -- playtherecords.com > >> > you are the dj. interactive music -- improbableorchestra.com > >> > random observations of the bizarre -- vitriolix.com > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > > -- > > Mechanize something idiosyncratic. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: > > 12-03-2007 19:19 > > > > > -- Mechanize something idiosyncratic.

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Re: [PD] seeking Pd programmer
by the center of the bomb 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

--- Luigi Rensinghoff <luigi.rensinghoff(a)freenet.de> wrote: > i am definetly interested, it overlaps with some things i wanted to > do anyway. THANK YOU > > Is there some programming made already ??? THERE IS NO PD PROGRAMMING YET EVEN WITH MAX > > Do you have pd-knowledge ? I AM A PD BEGINNER (FEW DAYS AGO), SINCE A LONG TIME I SHOULD PROGRAM REGARDING MY WAY OF COMPOSING MUSIC Why are you looking here for someone ?? I WANT TO SHARE THE WORK, IT IS TOO MUCH FOR ONE PERSON > and not MAX/Supercollider or whatever. TODAY I AM A PC USER > > any money in that project ;-) got to make my living somehow ;-) TODAY I DO NOT KNOW WHERE AND TO WHOM TO PROPOSE THE PROJECT, I MEAN: WHICH COUNTRY, WHICH PLACE TO PERFORM, AND WHICH PERSON I SHOULD CONTACT? IT IS A STRANGE CROSSING IN MY CARREER... > > Where do you live ??? NOW I AM IN TOULOUSE (FRANCE), I THOUGHT TO MOVE TO BERLIN WHERE OTHER PROJECTS ARE IN WAITING. AND YOU? DO YOU THINK THROUGH MY SCHEMATIC THE PATCH IS RELEASABLE? HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE? HOW MUCH YOU SHOULD RECEIVED FOR THAT WORK? I AM LOOKING FOR A COLLABORATION TO RELEASE MY WORKS. CHEERS MATHIUS > > So far > > Luigi > > > Am 15.03.2007 um 16:10 schrieb the center of the bomb: > > > I started the project in 2005 when I met an incredible > > architectural acoustic in a concrete > > cylinder sized of 15 meter high to 10 meter large. I started to > > sing inside with an incredible > > reverberation of low sounds. The entrance of this cylinder (used to > > keep wine) was too small for > > audience to come inside, so I imagined to keep in real time the > > sound and the images (video) > > outside the cylinder, far away through Internet, in an appropriate > > cube-public-place with 6 video > > screens and 3D sound projection. I found a team of 9 people to > > release this opera project, but it > > was located near Toulouse (south of France) and in this part there > > is no grants for contemporary > > art creation. Today TEST-AIMANT is in waiting to be released. > > > > The virtual clones orchestra, in my music works, stays as an > > obsession: there is several exemple > > of, done and music in project: like > > in 2002 "Jeux & Interdits" (Forbidden Games) where" I cloned my 9- > > tone electric guitar in 4 > > independent clones. listen at http://centrebombe.org/mp3-free.html > > in 2003 "ti.Me Has No Age" where I cloned my archisonic lamp > > (http://centrebombe.org/lamps.html)in > > an orchestra of 161 clones you can listen at http://centrebombe.org/ > > mp3-free.html > > My next project is also about virtual orchestra of clones > > "Unisolable & Unduplicable, the recipe > > of Freedom" http://centrebombe.org/2007.residency.proposal(the > > Lamplayer.vs.the.Machines).pdf > > > > The schematic of VOX CLONA (in attachment) gives you a precise > > purpose of what I would like to > > generate: one live voice (mine) generating an independant choir of > > 13 voices with its independent > > contrepoint projected in 3D sound space. I should perhaps > > translated in English what I wrote in > > French? > > Thanks for your interest > > mathius shadow-sky > > > > --- Luigi Rensinghoff <luigi.rensinghoff(a)freenet.de> wrote: > > the center of the bomb ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

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Re: [PD] in Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 msg 'reset' and 'clear' doesn?t work as before
by robbert van hulzen 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

hmmm, actually it doesn't seem to be that simple, see fb's earlier reply as well as this msg posted on the dev list on 14 march. looks like i spoke before my turn. robbert > subject: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-1576865 ] namespace prefixes broken > ... > It is no longer possible to use [prefix/classname] > syntax, which is essential to the namespaces because it > is the only way that two classes with the same root > classname could be used in the same patch, i.e. like > this, where each object is a different class: > > [prepend] > [cxc/prepend] > [cyclone/prepend]

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GOP and menu displacements [was: oldschool rave synths]
by Frank Barknecht 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

Hallo, Andy and me had a little off-list discussion, but this below may be interesting to others as well. padawan12 hat gesagt: // padawan12 wrote: > A problem often comes when you activate GOP on a patch - to be honest > I've never understood any reason to why it selects one particular > place as the GOP center, is it just random? Anyway, this often requires > moving objects up and left beyond the frame. Actually as default Pd always puts the red rectangle to the same position at coordinates x=100, y=100. The origin of this coordiante system (x=0, y=0) is in the upper left corner of a patch normally, the positive x-direction is to the right, the pos. y-direction is down(!) from there. However if you move objects into the area with "negative" coordinates left or above the patch's borders, Pd will still show them, but it will move the origin (0, 0) to somewhere in the middle of the patch. The red GOP rectange still is at (100, 100), but now it may seem to be at a different position, because the origin (0, 0) doesn't match the window-borders anymore. I suppose that Pd will try to create the Properties menu at a position indicated by the object's coordinates, but it will reference a different origin, that's why the menu seems is displaced. Well, all this is very confusing, that's not moving stuff to the negative area is quite important. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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seeking Pd programmer
by the center of the bomb 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

Hello everybody, My name is Mathius Shadow-Sky, and I am composer, conductor, and performer. Today I am looking for a Pure Data programmer who can help me to release my musical project TEST-AIMANT, look at: http://centrebombe.org/test-aimant.html (sorry in French) The purpose of this work is to generate a choir of independant clones of the soloist, I call: VOX CLONA: the TEST-AIMANT clones generator program. I drawn the schematic you can see at: http://centrebombe.org/test-aimant.vox-clona.schematic.html Thanks mathius shadow-sky http://centrebombe.org my music can be listen at http://centrebombe.org/mp3-free.html the center of the bomb ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/

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