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Re: [PD] about sexy-ism
by Hannah Drayson 28 Oct '07

28 Oct '07

This sums it up for me... http://xkcd.com/322/

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[entry] changes
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 28 Oct '07

28 Oct '07

Hey all, The netpd project's chat interface inspired me to fix up the [entry] object so that it could serve as the building block for a chat app. I've added a number of improvements: - fixed fg/bg color bug - created [add( message which allows you to add to existing text - added float support to [set( and [add( messages - created second outlet which outputs the keys as you type them (this makes it easy to assign the enter/return key to make the box send its text). - made the inlet visible. - added rudimentary [size x y( message There are a couple of things that I think would be worth adding: - a message to add one character at a time - messages to change the font face, size, and weight - messages to change the border of the box This is in today's auto-builds if you want to try it. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler

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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem
by Ed Kelly 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

It is really just the pixel-resolution of the graph. The graph size is 252, but the FFT size is 4096 ( giving 2049 points within the Nyquist frequency ). So you will see magnitude peaks between the pixels as lower amplitude because the screen doesn't display pixels between pixels. I hope this makes sense, Ed Lone Shark "Aviation" out now on http://www.pyramidtransmissions.com http://www.myspace.com/sharktracks ----- Original Message ---- From: Jason Plumb <jason(a)noisybox.net> To: pd-list <pd-list(a)iem.at> Sent: Sunday, 21 October, 2007 6:06:53 AM Subject: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem Hi. I'm building a super simple but reconfigurable GOP spectrum graphing abstraction, but got some weird behavior early on. Please see my example: http://noisybox.net/computers/pd/questions/freq_graph_work3.pd The magnitude computation and dividing by the block size I got from one of the help examples. It's almost doing the right thing -- if you drag the slider around the single frequency peak moves around. The problem is that the peak amplitude, as graphed, changes based on the frequency. It even seems to be periodic WRT frequency, which makes me think there's a kooky phase issue... Any ideas? Thanks, -jason http://noisybox.net _______________________________________________ PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

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about sexy-ism
by hard off 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, "hey, do you want to [route]?" ..she said "sorry it's that [time] of the month" and i said, "hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses]" ..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang].

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Can you help me with this patch?
by Javier Garcia 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

Hi, take a look at the patch i have made I think it should restart the movie when it finishes, but no.. I know i could use [loop< but im trying this... br. GARFF _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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[Pd] Linux: [system]?
by Chuckk Hubbard 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

Hi. I am running Debian 64 testing, kernel 2.6.22.1 with Ingo Molnar's rt patch, Pd 0.41.0-test05, Jack 0.103.0, and Csound 5.06. I have a Csound file I'm running with csoundapi~, and I'm editing the Csound file while editing my Pd composition. Unfortunately, realtime scheduling doesn't work from the command line for Csound or Jack for some reason. I can use chrt to set rtprio for both, but not the standard commandline flags. The only reason I have a problem, then, is that I have to constantly reload/restart Csound when I make changes. Is there any way to send a message from Pd to run a shell script, or a single system command, so I can automatically chrt Csound to higher priority when I restart it? Thanks. -Chuckk -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com

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msgfile headroom 1024
by marius schebella 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

Hi, I get this error on opening big files with msgfile. error: msgfile: read error (headroom 1024 too small!) textfile is working, though. marius.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.3-extended released!
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

You need this file, the one mentioned in the error message. :) >> /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib .hc On Oct 27, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Sylvain wrote: > Hi, > > Thx hans, scott. I did remove the plist from preferences and it > seems like it getting better ... but for pdp pidip which still > don't load. > I checked about X11 and i do have an /usr/X11R6/ folder ... > anything else i should look at ? > > > Sylvain > > Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : >> >> On Oct 27, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Sylvain wrote: >> >>> Hi Hans, everybody, >>> >>> Seems like I don't understand some stuff here, cause I am getting >>> a lot >>> of trouble with latest(s) Pd-extended releases (as ... nobody :) ) >>> >>> * PDP/PiDiP work out-of-box on Mac OS X >>> >>> What does this actuallly means ? These libs don't load at >>> startup, and >>> when I add the flag -lib pdp, I get this : >>> >>> /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/ >>> pdp.pd_darwin: >>> dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/ >>> Scripts/../extra/pdp.pd_darwin, >>> 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib >>> Referenced from: >>> /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/ >>> pdp.pd_darwin >>> Reason: image not found >>> pdp: can't load library >>> >>> And I checked that pdp.pd_darwin is in the extra folder (same >>> problems >>> with pidip) >> >> Install X11, it's on your Mac OS X 10.4 DVD. >> >>> - A somehow related quetion : what happened to the preferences plist >>> previously present in older releases, or put another way, why pd-ext >>> doesn't try to load these libs (in particular) at startup ? >> >> It's embedded into the app itself. Remove your pref file, and >> it'll use the embedded one: >> >> rm ~/Library/Preferences/org.puredata.pd.plist >> >>> - I do have issues also with rradical. For same reasons the lib >>> doesn't >>> load at startup and when I import it, I still have some externals >>> not >>> appearing, like coreGUI for example, I did not find where it >>> comes from ... >> >> Donno about these... >> >> .hc >> >>> >>> I may have some other problems, but I'm trying to solve them one >>> by one ... >>> >>> Some details, I am on Intel iMac G5 with (of course) latest Pd- >>> ext. I >>> don't know if it is of importance, but I have several concurrent >>> versions of Pd in my applications folder : another Pd-ext >>> (Pd-0.39.2-extended-RC1), the latest Pd vanilla from Miller site >>> together with the corresponding source files (with externals source >>> files too from sourceforge) ... >>> >>> Any hints appreciated >>> >>> Sylvain >>> >>> Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : >>>> Finally, it's done! The most polished release of Pd yet. We are >>>> further refining Pd into a truly powerful and usable programming >>>> platform. >>>> >>>> http://puredata.org/downloads/ >>>> >>>> Some highlights: >>>> >>>> * PDP/PiDiP work out-of-box on Mac OS X >>>> * Gem has working shader support >>>> * new libraries: mapping, msd, mrpeach net/OSC, flib >>>> * [comport] is robust on all platforms >>>> * -font-face and -font-weight command line options >>>> * new font and layout is the exact same size on all platforms to >>>> the pixel >>>> * a new, pretty Icon on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X >>>> * anti-aliasing of boxes and lines on Mac OS X >>>> * a .deb package for Debian and Ubuntu, with GNOME menu support >>>> >>>> If you want the details, here's the changelog: >>>> >>>> 0.39.3-extended-rc5 >>>> >>>> * Mac OS X: pidip finds its default font again >>>> * Debian/Ubuntu: some minor cleanups in the package >>>> * included setuid security fix from Miller (hence bumped up >>>> version >>>> to 0.39.3 >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-rc4 >>>> >>>> * Mac OS X: added default prefs separate from embedded prefs >>>> * GNU/Linux: added embedded prefs >>>> * Mac OS X: updated msd/2D/3D from http://grrrr.org/ext/beta/ >>>> pd/osx/ >>>> * Windows: reg settings for loading libs now in installer >>>> * Mac OS X and Windows: added xsample to load by default >>>> * Mac OS X: switched Cmd-T to fontpanel >>>> * Mac OS X: added Cmd-click to toggle editmode >>>> * font and box size tweaks to make everything fit in the boxes >>>> * Debian and Ubuntu: Created quick hack debian package >>>> * added ggee to default libraries to load >>>> * GNU/Linux: PiDiP finds the fonts by default now >>>> >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-rc3 >>>> >>>> * pdp and pidip support quicktime/mjpeg/png >>>> * included list-abs now works properly with 0.39.2 >>>> * Gem font support on Mac OS X is now included! >>>> * delread~/delwrite~ bug fixed >>>> * sqrt~ bug fixed >>>> >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-rc2 >>>> >>>> * Bitstream Vera Sans Mono is now default font on Windows and >>>> GNU/ >>>> Linux >>>> * Monaco is the default font on Mac OS X >>>> * fixed GUI size, should actually be the same size on all >>>> platforms >>>> now >>>> * pdp and pidip should support quicktime/mjpeg/png and theora now >>>> * pdp_ieee1394 included on Mac OS X >>>> * the Mac OS X package looks much better, thanks to Stffn http:// >>>> dibidut.dk >>>> * default preferences are embedded into the Pd.app on Mac OS X >>>> * revamped font flags and added '-font-weight' flag >>>> * it's still missing Gem font support on Mac OS X :( >>>> * the delread~/sqrt~ bug is still not fixed :( >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-rc1 >>>> >>>> * DejaVu Sans Mono is now default font >>>> * same sizes and layout on all platforms >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-test7 >>>> >>>> * Gem should be installed and working on all platforms >>>> * the MSD (Mass-Spring-Damper) externals are included >>>> * included Thomas Grill's Mac/Intel fixes for iemlib and cyclone >>>> * Universal binaries for flext externals >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-test6 >>>> >>>> * Lots of random little bugs fixed >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-test5 >>>> >>>> * Much has changed, this test release should have benefitted a >>>> lot >>>> from the nightly autobuilds and a few workshops to stress test them >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-test4 >>>> >>>> * all of creb should be included now on all platforms >>>> * updated version of [hid] for Mac OS X >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-test3 >>>> >>>> * Added iem_ambi and iem_bin_ambi libraries >>>> * Cleaned up the doc folders >>>> * Removed the annoying close confirm >>>> * Added latest Gem test builds >>>> * Writing to the serial port using [comport] now works on Windows >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-test2 >>>> >>>> * included Mapping lib, RRADical, pixelTANGO >>>> * included intro workshop sketches >>>> >>>> 0.39.2-extended-test1 >>>> >>>> * Basically minimal changes from Pd-0.38.4-extended, just >>>> enough to >>>> get it to build >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----- >>>> ---- >>>> >>>> Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker >>>> ethic >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PD-announce mailing list >>>> PD-announce(a)iem.at >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >>>> listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >>> listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------- >> >> Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. 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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem
by Ed Kelly 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

My theory is that the brain automatically 're-frames' the image when you move your eyes. Here's a point - the eyes never move smoothly unless tracking a moving object to keep it stationary within the field of vision. They always dart about. Cinema would not work if our eyes were digital, since the frame rate of our eyes would go out of sync with the pictures. Persistence of vision is why cinema works. Projectors (35mm) show each frame three times, so that there is no flicker to the image, so if there is a 'sampling rate' of the eye then it is certainly higher than the 72 flickers-per-second. Flourescent gas discharge lamps flicker, albeit at a very high speed, so this explains the aliasing effect. This is a great way of explaining aliasing (like cartwheels in a 'Western' movie) because the light is 'sampling' the bicycle wheel. My bicycle wheels are so buckled that this becomes very confusing to look at ;-) Going back to the spectrum graphing amplitude problem - there should be a way to use peakit~ and build a graphical data structure-based array around its findings. I think data structures are the way forward for this sort of thing since they represent information in an abstract graphical way. examples/ekext/peakit-listmoses.pd (but there's no graphical array yet) Chun did a cool thing - it would be interesting to know how the video was made. Look up 'chun lee glass cloud' on youtube. Gem? Best, Ed On 10/22/07, Roman Haefeli <reduzierer(a)yahoo.de> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 17:33 -0500, Charles Henry wrote: > > On 10/22/07, Martin Peach <martin.peach(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > > >A very simple way to explain aliased frequencies would be: spin a bicycle > > > >wheel. When you accelerate it beyond a certain point, it will begin to look > > > >like it's going backwards instead. This is because the wheel speed, > > > >together with the repetitiveness of the wheel's appearance, have crossed > > > >the Nyquist frequency of your eye. > > > > > > That won't work in sunlight for example. > > > > Haven't you ever seen it? (in sunlight that is) As implied, I'm 99% positive I've seen it before. You might still be able to convince me that I haven't ;) > i think, that is the point that martin is trying to make. > > i am not an expert either, but when i encountered this effect (watching > the frontwheel, while cycling at night, for instance), there was always > artificial light involved. to be more precise, there was always kind of > a fluorescence or any other kind of 'gas discharge lamp' (is that the > correct expression?) involved. it doesn't seem to work with common light > bulbs, since their 'afterglow time' is too long. > > for me, it seems, that it is rather related to the light source and its > frequency and not to a property of the eye. hey, what do you know, there's even a wiki page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon-wheel_effect Vision is in fact not purely analog. Although I don't necessarily think the "discrete frame" theory mentioned in the page is true, there is a counterexample. When your eyes make a saccade (fast movement), there is no blurring. There is an inhibition of the movement in between the two visual scenes. There is also nystagmus. Even when images appear perfectly clear, the eye moves in random oscillations. When researchers (I forget the citation/can't find it) used an eye camera to track random oscillations and corrected for the movement (creating a static retinotopic image), the perceived image disappears. There may be something involved in correcting for nystagmus that renders an image in a series of apparently still frames. I don't know for sure. Chuck _______________________________________________ PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

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Ableton Live control with Pure Data ¿ReWire?
by Enrique Tomas 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

Hi amigos I have a question. I would like to control an Ableton Live version 6 session using my Arduino based interface (under Windows ) . My project is controlling Live with an Arduino. Because Ableton Live doesn't have OSC...(and liveapi.org is down) I think that the only way to do that is ReWire. I have tried to configure Pd in Ableton Live ReWire settings but I can't see Pd as an available input. ReWire is configured because I can see other software as Cubase, Reason, etc. Does anyone have an idea about how to do this? Is there any other option? thanks Qq ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html

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