Pd-list August 2006

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building HID from the CVS, errors
by David Merrill 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

Hello all, Has anyone else had a problem trying to compile an external from the CVS source? I just checked out the externals dir from CVS, and wanted to compile the latest [hid], so after reading the README in the hid directory, I typed: >make INCLUDE=/usr/lib/pd/src PDEXECUTABLE=/usr/bin/pd ..and got the following: --paste-- dmerrill@dmerrill-t40:~/externals/hcs/hid$ make INCLUDE=/usr/lib/pd/src PDEXECUTABLE=/usr/bin/pd make -C /home/dmerrill/externals hid make[1]: Entering directory `/home/dmerrill/externals' Makefile:25: /home/dmerrill/externals/../packages/Makefile.buildlayout: No such file or directory grep: /sigpack/source/sIgpAck.c: No such file or directory grep: /zexy/src/zexy.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/home/dmerrill/externals/../packages/Makefile.buildlayout'. Stop. make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dmerrill/externals' make: *** [default] Error 2 --end paste-- Why would the build want a /sigpack, and /zexy directory? And am I missing a Makefile.buildlayout file? I am on linux, running Ubuntu Dapper. (kernel 2.6.15-26-386) thanks, -David M.

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qlist-back one step?
by Ypatios Grigoriadis 09 Aug '06

09 Aug '06

And another thing: (hi list..) Is there any <previous>, or <back>, or anything opposite to <next> message for [qlist ]? I just want to go one step back... -- Ypatios.

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physical computing: Lanbox, Arduino, Teleo...? (looking for miditron alternative)
by tim 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Dear List, We are making installations with moving objects controlled by motors, lights, sound, environmental input. The main software is PureData, and the interface we used until now was the Miditron from eroktronix, and a bunch of homebrew relay cards. Because of reliability issues we are looking for an alternative. The LanBox LCE at first seemed like a good candidate but apparently it doesn't support input signals. We need inputs to monitor the position of the objects/motors. The LanBox LCX might be a better choice because it has 8 digital ins and outs. (are these also DMX channels?->yes we're DMX illiterate...) Maybe DMX isn't the right choice alltogether, is there a beter alternative? Is Arduino reliable for example? How about Teleo from makingthings.com ? A shortlist of what we need to be able to do: controlling 3 Motors 220 volt, 25 watt each (left/right, start/stop) controlling 3 TL tubes (on/of) inputs from 6 end of line switches to monitor the positions. input from movement sensor In general it should be robust and reliable, preferably no detour via MIDI, so a USB or ethernet based system. Also, if possible, we want to avoid too much soldering... to get an idea of what the installations look like, go to: http://www.timvets.net/projects/erkiandtim/cl/citylights2.html any suggestions greatly appreciated, Tim

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PD list for beginners
by Josh Lawrence 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Hello all, I am an absolute beginner to pd. I've been lurking on this list for a month or so, hoping to learn something, but I'm finding that this list is very advanced for my level of knowledge. Could you all direct me to a list that handles more basic/newbie/etc. issues with pd? FWIW, I am a Linux user. Thank you, Josh -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com

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Patch snapshot
by Tas Pas 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Hi list, Is there a way to save the current state of a patch? Regards, Tasos --------------------------------- ΓΓ±Γ§Γ³Γ©Γ¬Γ―Γ°Γ―Γ©Γ₯ΓΓ΄Γ₯ Yahoo! ΓΓ‘Γ±Γ₯Γ¨ΓΓͺΓ‘Γ΄Γ₯ Γ΄Γ‘ Γ₯ΓΓ―Γ·Γ«Γ§Γ΄Γ©ΓͺΓ Γ¬Γ§ΓΓ½ Γ¬Γ‘Γ΄Γ‘ (spam); ΓΓ― Yahoo! Mail Γ€Γ©Γ‘Γ¨ΓΓ΄Γ₯Γ© Γ΄Γ§Γ ΓͺΓ‘Γ«Γ½Γ΄Γ₯Γ±Γ§ Γ€Γ΅ΓΓ‘Γ΄Γ Γ°Γ±Γ―Γ³Γ΄Γ‘Γ³ΓΓ‘ ΓͺΓ‘Γ΄Γ Γ΄ΓΉΓ Γ₯ΓΓ―Γ·Γ«Γ§Γ΄Γ©ΓͺΓΎΓ Γ¬Γ§ΓΓ΅Γ¬ΓΓ΄ΓΉΓ http://login.yahoo.com/config/mail?.intl=gr

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Re: [Pd] qjackctl transport
by Chuckk Hubbard 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

On 8/8/06, David Powers <cyborgk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm really surprised that this doesn't exist - it would seem rather > essential for a lot of composers, and rule Linux out as a viable option for > them. I hope this won't be forever before it gets implemented. I have yet to find it. If I had any inkling how I'd gladly write an extension to Rosegarden or Muse. > > So, Chuckk, is your idea to just load the video in GEM, and compose the > music somewhere else with GEM synchronized? Pretty much. Though I guess the sound from the original video would still be a problem. I'd actually like to just have the Jack transport send certain messages to Pd, and Pd be programmed to respond however you want. I took a look at the Jack API where it addresses the transport, but alas it's Greek to me. -Chuckk

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Re: [Pd] qjackctl transport
by David Powers 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

I'm really surprised that this doesn't exist - it would seem rather essential for a lot of composers, and rule Linux out as a viable option for them. I hope this won't be forever before it gets implemented. So, Chuckk, is your idea to just load the video in GEM, and compose the music somewhere else with GEM synchronized? On 8/8/06, David Powers <cyborgk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm really surprised that this doesn't exist - it would seem rather > essential for a lot of composers, and rule Linux out as a viable option for > them. I hope this won't be forever before it gets implemented. > > So, Chuckk, is your idea to just load the video in GEM, and compose the > music somewhere else with GEM synchronized? > > ~David > > > On 8/8/06, Chuckk Hubbard <badmuthahubbard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Is there a Pd external in existence that will respond to the jack > > transport? I have yet to find a program that can score video for > > Linux, so I'm thinking such an interface combined with GEM and > > -nosound would be a possible solution. > > > > -Chuckk > > > > -- > > "Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be > > alcohol, morphine or idealism." > > -Carl Jung > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > >

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Cascading abstractions
by Tas Pas 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Hi list (yes, again)... Is there a way to built and abstraction that features abstractions with gui elements and these can be shown in the parent abstraction? Regards, Tasos --------------------------------- ΓΓ±Γ§Γ³Γ©Γ¬Γ―Γ°Γ―Γ©Γ₯ΓΓ΄Γ₯ Yahoo! ΓΓ‘Γ±Γ₯Γ¨ΓΓͺΓ‘Γ΄Γ₯ Γ΄Γ‘ Γ₯ΓΓ―Γ·Γ«Γ§Γ΄Γ©ΓͺΓ Γ¬Γ§ΓΓ½ Γ¬Γ‘Γ΄Γ‘ (spam); ΓΓ― Yahoo! Mail Γ€Γ©Γ‘Γ¨ΓΓ΄Γ₯Γ© Γ΄Γ§Γ ΓͺΓ‘Γ«Γ½Γ΄Γ₯Γ±Γ§ Γ€Γ΅ΓΓ‘Γ΄Γ Γ°Γ±Γ―Γ³Γ΄Γ‘Γ³ΓΓ‘ ΓͺΓ‘Γ΄Γ Γ΄ΓΉΓ Γ₯ΓΓ―Γ·Γ«Γ§Γ΄Γ©ΓͺΓΎΓ Γ¬Γ§ΓΓ΅Γ¬ΓΓ΄ΓΉΓ http://login.yahoo.com/config/mail?.intl=gr

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Vradio issues.
by Tas Pas 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

Hi list, I've made a patch that loads a sample and, when you press the "b" key, it launches it. Till here all ok. When I tried to customise the message that arrives in [tabplay~]'s inlet, using 2 vradios (one for the sample start and the other for the playback duration), I faced a problem that seems to be quite odd. Whenever I set the value of the start of the sample and trigger a bang, I can see that the value is set. Whenever I set the value of the playback duration, I have to trigger twise in order to see the value changed. I attached you the patch (sampler_test.pd) and the abstractions I used to make it to take a look for yourselfs. Thank you Tasos --------------------------------- ΓΓ±Γ§Γ³Γ©Γ¬Γ―Γ°Γ―Γ©Γ₯ΓΓ΄Γ₯ Yahoo! ΓΓ‘Γ±Γ₯Γ¨ΓΓͺΓ‘Γ΄Γ₯ Γ΄Γ‘ Γ₯ΓΓ―Γ·Γ«Γ§Γ΄Γ©ΓͺΓ Γ¬Γ§ΓΓ½ Γ¬Γ‘Γ΄Γ‘ (spam); ΓΓ― Yahoo! Mail Γ€Γ©Γ‘Γ¨ΓΓ΄Γ₯Γ© Γ΄Γ§Γ ΓͺΓ‘Γ«Γ½Γ΄Γ₯Γ±Γ§ Γ€Γ΅ΓΓ‘Γ΄Γ Γ°Γ±Γ―Γ³Γ΄Γ‘Γ³ΓΓ‘ ΓͺΓ‘Γ΄Γ Γ΄ΓΉΓ Γ₯ΓΓ―Γ·Γ«Γ§Γ΄Γ©ΓͺΓΎΓ Γ¬Γ§ΓΓ΅Γ¬ΓΓ΄ΓΉΓ http://login.yahoo.com/config/mail?.intl=gr

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Packaging system (WAS Re: [PD] Pd standalone instruments ... )
by Alexandre Quessy 08 Aug '06

08 Aug '06

By the way, the PEAR packaging system is very good for handling versions and dependencies of several files. It works on several OS (mac/win/*nix) and there is a GUI to make the packages. I tought about using that for creating PD packages (externals and abstractions), but then, we thought that PEAR needs PHP, which is not installed by default on Win32 nor on most Linux distros. We could write our own packaing system. It must be about 1000 lines of code. It could be in Python. I think that would help a lot the community to get organized. I"d be volunteer to work (in a team) on it if I was sure the community (and Miller) would accept it. Also, I know there exist such package managers that could be used for that. Maybe not APT : there are some that are more portable. Marc Lavallée told about about one one day, but I forgot which. This thread should be switched to the pd-dev list now... aalex On 8/7/06, Alexandre Quessy <listes(a)sourcelibre.com> wrote: > On 7/31/06, matthew jones <mj(a)isvr.soton.ac.uk> wrote: > > > A double-clickable jar-style format would be good to do so that you can > > > include more than one file. > > > > I second that! Distribution of patches which include other patches, > > specific abstractions and externals would be peasy and clean with some kind > > of packaged format like that. Then even if these abstractions etc were > > already installed on the user's machine the patch would look for anything > > required within this packaged file first... no longer any [scale] confusions > > or namespace issues! Oh, but then externals are platform dependent, so.... > > hmm patches become dependent too. Right... maybe not the optimal solution > > then? > > > Very good idea !! > It could be a ZIP file with a XML file, patches and objects in it. The > XML file describes the role of each file in the bundles. Therefore, > one could wrap externals for, let say, Windose, Mack and Linux, and > write the ".pdrc" in the xml file. If the externals are missing for > the current OS, well, it doesn't work and that's it ! An example of > such a XML file in a TAR.GZ package is the package system of PEAR, the > PHP classes repository. See > http://www.php-editors.com/pear_manual/developers.packagedef.html > > Maybe that's overkill though, but it would kind of compete with Max's VSTs. :-P > > Cheers, > > a > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > http://www.loopit.org > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > -- > Alexandre Quessy > http://alexandre.quessy.net > -- Alexandre Quessy http://alexandre.quessy.net

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