Pd-list July 2006

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Re: [PD] ssh - leaving pd running
by zmoelnig＠iem.at 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

Zitat von "B. Bogart" <ben(a)ekran.org>: > I also put a netreceive with a bunch of [route]s that acted as a simple > cmd interpreter: > > [netreceive 8000] > | > [route close] > | > [0, destroy< > | > [gemwin] > > Then on the shell: (local or remote) > > % telnet localhost 8000 > > close; > > to send the 0,destroy message. > but make sure, nobody in your network does this: % telnet yourmachine 8000 close set, close add, close add pd quit, close bang; mfg.adsr. IOhannes

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gem hangs pd
by threen 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

hi list when i try to create a gem window it hangs pd. i tracked it with gdb: Program received signal SIGHUP, Hangup. [Switching to Thread -1479207232 (LWP 6312)] 0xa7e1a819 in poll () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 Gem 0.90.0-18 pd 0.39.2-1 demudi 1.3.0 libc6 2.3.6-13 thnax in advance best regs daniel -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service

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OT- Multi-System Networking (was Re: [Pd] splitting Pd on two processors)
by Chuckk Hubbard 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

Well, I have an old G3 now as a gift from a friend for helping him move. I was anticipating putting Linux on it and networking with my Windows box, but it turns out it still has Mac OS 9.2 installed. Now I'm thinking my best bet may be to install Linux like I did before, on the slave hard drive on the Windows machine, and set up one network between XP and Mac, and then another network between Linux and Mac. One of the main reasons I removed Linux was the inability to transfer files, and this would seem to rectify that. Would this be the best way? I could alternately make a new partition on the Mac hard drive and put Linux there, or wipe it and make it totally Linux. I might end up having to do this if my friend can't tell me a password for root access on the G3 (the school where he teaches was getting rid of it). So I have a couple of questions I was hoping you more experienced systems guys might answer: a) Is this in fact the best setup? A network from XP with Mac, and one from Linux to Mac? (I would like to gain experience with all three, but if OS 9.2 isn't worth the trouble I could wipe it.) Also, the Windows machine is 2 GHz, and I have no idea how slow the G3 is, definitely much slower. b) Will it work okay to run -noaudio on a client and -nogui on the host? As of now I only have one keyboard/mouse/monitor, so I'm guessing these will have to be connected to the GUI and the speakers with the audio... I don't mind switching peripherals to get the thing up and running each time. Maybe the G3 should be the client. Or if necessary I could scour ebay for Mac peripherals. c) Can I buy you a beer next time you're in Philly? Thanks. Chuckk

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PD Mac-Intel: typing causes audio glitches
by Phil Stone 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

I've been playing with Miller's experimental version for Intel OS X (see http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Software/pd-imac-test.mac.tar.gz ) and for the most part, it works great. Some minor problems exist; for instance, the GOP dialog color selectors don't display any color. But one thing is driving me crazy, and I'm not sure if it's specific to Intel-Mac, or if it's been a problem with PD on the Mac before this (I'm switching from the Windows version): Typing on the computer keyboard (e.g. to enter something in a number box) after focus has just transferred to PD, makes a crunch or pop in the sound right at the moment of the first key press. Subsequent key presses do not interfere with the sound, until focus is switched to another app (or maybe even another PD window -- I can't reproduce this very consistently) and then is returned to PD. I've tried different latency settings and this has had no effect. This seems like some bad interaction between the OS key-handling and PD. I suppose it could be some OS X external (like Dashboard) that is causing this, but I thought I'd check the list to see if this behavior is familiar to anybody before I start ripping apart my configuration. Particularly, I'd like to know if this behavior has appeared on PPC OS X PD? Thanks, Phil Stone pkstone....ucdavis....edu

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unauthorized in GOP
by threen 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

hi list it seems like the objects from unauthorized cant be seen in a gop. .. or do I lack something to make them appear? nice intuitive boxes can be built here pd 0.39.2-1 demudi 1.3.0 pd-unauthorized 20031122-1 thanx in advance best regs daniel -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service

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data-s: get + crash
by João Miguel Pais 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

Hello, I have a patch window where two data structure templates appear, f-teil and set-tick (one to indicate some durations, and another with a grid for seconds). I was using [get f-teil ....] to get parameters from f-teil, but I noticed that it gets values from ALL data structure objects in the window, including the ones from the set-tick template. It's weird, because both templates have very different floats (1st has ~6, other only 3, all names are different), but [get f-teil ...] always returns (very small) values for the structures of the set-tick template that it queries. I thought that [get f-teil ...] would only return values from the f-teil structures. Or is it normal that it gets values from the whole window? Is it possible to have several templates in one window, and query different structures of the same template? by the way, on ubuntu pd crashes each time that a patch involved with data strucures is closed (provided that more than one patch with data-s is open), or sometimes when a patch window is closed. Pd version 0.39-2extended-test3, ubuntu 5.10. Funny, that doesn't happen on windows xp with the same pd version. Joao -- Lugostr. 14 79100 Freiburg i. Br. Deutschland +49 (0)761 7074997 jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp

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Re: [PD] netpd creb fat-ass
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

There are many people who can answer this question, so you'll probably get a quicker response if you post to the pd-list. Plus then other people can benefit from the answer. I am cc'ing the list. Most libraries, including creb, are included in Pd-extended as a 'libdir', that means its a folder with single-file-single-object libraries. You load them exactly the same way, plus you can use the namespace prefix ( ie. [creb/fdn~]) .hc On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:18 PM, beau c wrote: > Hi Hans, > > I can't seem to find creb.pd_darwin in the resources/extra folder, > and I think that maybe why it won't load creb into pd? I am trying to > use it with Pd-0.39.2-extended-test4 and copy it over into netpd? But, > it doesn't work on either. I am Running OSX 10.4.6 > > Any Ideas to Help? > B~ > > On 6/22/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org> wrote: >> >> creb is included in the latest test releases of Pd-extended on >> Windows, Mac OS X, and GNU/Linux. >> >> .hc >> >> On Jun 22, 2006, at 7:01 PM, beau c wrote: >> >> > Hi List, >> > >> > Has anyone compiled creb for the mac. Also could I get a link to >> > the resofilter~ source code, plus any helpful hints as how to >> get it >> > compiled with xcode? >> > >> > >> > B~ >> > www.cypod.co.nr >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >> > listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> http://at.or.at/hans/ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Re: [PD-dev] tooltips ideas
by Federico 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martin Peach wrote: > IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: >> >> personally i would prefer most, if tooltips would be available for >> _every_ object and they should be set via the preferences >> (right-click) menu. >> this of course does not deal at all with the way how this information >> is stored within a pd-patch. >> probably it would be a good idea to do it similar to the way arrays >> are stored inline. >> > There would also need to be a function to register default tooltips in > hard-coded externals. Something like: > > void settooltipsymbol(t_class *c, t_symbol *s, t_object *iolet); > > >> e.g. something like >> >> #X obj 100 100 inlet; >> #G tooltip reset the game >> #X obj 100 200 outlet; >> #G tooltip finished! >> #X connect 0 0 1 0 >> #G tooltip here flows the data >> #G color red >> >> #G (like "Gui") is attached to the preceding "#X" line. >> i would prefer "#P" (Properties), but this is already taken by the >> good olde Patcher. >> > Or #I (Info)? I just want to say one word: why introduce incompatibility for such an optional feature? I mean no user would switch to a new pd file format only because it has tooltips. in the pd file format there is already a notation to put informations: #X text <X> <Y> useful information here; here there could be a kind of "sub-command" that tells pd of this data (I would better name it META-data) : #X obj <X> <Y> helloWorldAbs; #X text <X> <Y> #T tooltip for this object; #X text <X> <Y> #C <COLOR>; [...] a user that doesn't have this feature just should ignore or delete that crap in front of the object.... or if he is geeky enough, strip out metadata with sed or perl :=) - -- ciao Federico -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEq/zjxlXK3KziJfcRAlFDAKC+m208yFUEIFU+hVTiEvpHo6UpMQCdG/wv UuH65uBU802DApzbpLOR+ZQ= =zSHk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Pd] Feature Request: trigger editing
by Mathieu Bouchard 06 Jul '06

06 Jul '06

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006, padawan12 wrote: > formal in the common english, not the same as formal parameters of a > C function. As in, I'd rather have a name-value hash to pass in :) You can do that using a messagebox and the comma separator. Using that, you may send a bunch of key-value pairs. The [route] object can then be used to separate the key from the value. > Indeed, but I'm not talking about creation args. Then what are you talking about? If you're talking about runtime modification of the state of the object, I don't know why that shouldn't also be specifiable as creation arguments, like it is for basic objects like [+]. Saves quite a few [loadbang]s. > But it seems fiddly and difficult because the only mapping between a > parameter and its purpose is in the ordering of the list passed. Is > there a better way to do this? Better than using routes and unpacks? There are many kinds of solutions to this. Unfortunately, Miller's structures, which allow naming of arguments in special list-like things, can't do that for messages, and pointer messages are of limited use because they must point to things that belong to patches (there is no automatic deallocation whatsoever except by deleting the patch). > Isn't using [t b f f f a a a a a ] and sending everything in a mixed > list, instead of the above, an abuse of [t]? It seems less robust. I don't understand the use of such a [t]. do you mean [unpack] ? _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju | Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada

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Re: [Pd] Feature Request: trigger editing (fwd)
by Mathieu Bouchard 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:27:44 +0100 From: padawan12 <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> To: Mathieu Bouchard <matju(a)artengine.ca> Subject: Re: [Pd] Feature Request: trigger editing On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Mathieu Bouchard <matju(a)artengine.ca> wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jul 2006, padawan12 wrote: > > >> Anyway it seems in Pd, perhaps because passing parmeters to subpatches >> and abstractions isn't formal, > > What do you mean "not formal" ? formal in the common english, not the same as formal parameters of a C function. As in, I'd rather have a name-value hash to pass in :) > BTW subpatches don't take any creation arguments (just a name). > Abstraction instances do. Indeed, but I'm not talking about creation args. > >> and there's not a handy way to wrap the parameters of a block of code, >> that trigger gets abused. > > I don't know what you mean here. Want to give an example? Sure, say we have built a brass instrument subpatch. Our parameters are 3 floats which describe continuous controls, breath pressure, lip tightness, mute position, and 3 bools for discontinuous controls like for 3 valves. When I talk about a "parameter" I'm talking about this sort of thing, values that are applied in real time to the computation. I want to say here's a trumpet, and here's its named parameters valve1: type bool, default 1 valve2: type bool, default 1 valve3: type bool, default 1 breath_pressure: type float, default 0, range 0 1 lip tightness: type float, default 0.5, range -1 1 mute position: type float, default 1, range 0 1 Right now the most 'elegant' way of doing that I know of is using [route]. I often find myself making a "wrapper" for a instrument that goes through a familiar pattern. First scale all the values or normalise them as required, bound the ranges with [min] and [max], weed out any coupling or collapse groups of them, and present a nice shiny named list. This list, usually gets appended to the end of a [poly] list for routing individual poly voices etc. That seems te established method for making polysynths. But it seems fiddly and difficult because the only mapping between a parameter and its purpose is in the ordering of the list passed. Is there a better way to do this? Better than using routes and unpacks? Isn't using [t b f f f a a a a a ] and sending everything in a mixed list, instead of the above, an abuse of [t]? It seems less robust.

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Pd-list July 2006