Pd-list April 2006

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data structures and z-order
by Federico 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

i'm seeing there is no z-order tracking in data-structures (i.e.: a repaint event, or a mouse action, can bring an object to the top). is this true? P.S. where I can find all the undocumented features of datastructs and the magic fields of drawpolygon? the documentation about these it seems a bit old... ciao -- Federico

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Cyclone breaks, WinXP Pd-extended 0.38.4
by cyborgk＠nocturnalnoize.com 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

Hello, Anybody know why cyclone objects always "break" for me? This is what happens: 1. I create the object, everythin is fine. 2. I need to move the object at some point, and the text moves, but the OBJECT BOX stays put. 3. After this, the object breaks completely. When I reload the saved patch I get text where the object should be, no connections, and error messages like these: pack_problem.pd 21 0 24 0 (text->print) connection failed pack_problem.pd 22 0 21 1 (message->text) connection failed pack_problem.pd 23 0 21 0 (message->text) connection failed So it seems that PD is turning my Cyclone object into text!!! *See attached patch, which also references the previous problem I was working on... ~David

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class name completions with descriptions
by Mathieu Bouchard 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

class name completions with descriptions ... in any of eight languages. here's an example with descriptions in Bokmål: http://artengine.ca/desiredata/gallery/completions2.gif _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju | Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada

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cartesian to polar coordinates
by rodrigo＠anorg.net 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

hi all, is there an abstraction or external to transform 3D cartesian coordinates to polar ones? If you can give me a hint, you would save me the trigonometrical pain (I'm bad at this stuff). thanks in advance. rodrigo

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Hid doesn't detect devices
by João Miguel Pais 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

Hi, I was trying to run hid on ubuntu, but it doesn't detect any devices. I don't have many, just the normal keyboard+touchpad (IBM Thinkpad), and also an usb external cordless keyboard+mouse from Logitech. Pd just says "error: [hid] open /dev/input/eventX failed error: [hid] can not open device X" (I replaced the numbers with an X) and the output of |print( is Supported events: Detected: I looked for documentation, but there's only a README file saying how to compile the package. my /dev/input/ looks like: crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 64 2006-04-22 14:47 event0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 65 2006-04-22 14:47 event1 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 66 2006-04-22 14:47 event2 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 67 2006-04-22 12:47 event3 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 68 2006-04-22 12:47 event4 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 69 2006-04-22 12:47 event5 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 2006-04-22 14:47 mice crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 32 2006-04-22 14:47 mouse0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 33 2006-04-22 12:47 mouse1 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 34 2006-04-22 12:47 mouse2 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 128 2006-04-22 12:47 ts0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 129 2006-04-22 12:47 ts1 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 130 2006-04-22 12:47 ts2 Joao -- Lugostr. 14 79100 Freiburg i. Br. Deutschland +49 (0)761 7074997 jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp

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GOP/datastructures time signature mangler
by Chris McCormick 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

What's happening, At the laundromat this evening I made this GOP/datastructures abstraction for making fscked up time signatures. Not like 4/8 or 7/15, but something else. Something like swing, but not quite that either. http://mccormick.cx/viewcvs/*checkout*/s-abstractions/s-beat.pd http://mccormick.cx/viewcvs/*checkout*/s-abstractions/s-beat-help.pd You'll need Miller's 0.39-2 and probably the rest of my abstractions too, which you can get here: http://mccormick.cx/viewcvs/s-abstractions.tar.gz?view=tar I'm currently in the process of incorporating Frank B's sssad-0.1 state saving system into all of my abstractions, so you can invoke a [sssad/panel] to save your weirdly mangled time signatures after you create them. That also goes for a new GOP envelope generator I designed: http://mccormick.cx/viewcvs/*checkout*/s-abstractions/s-env.pd http://mccormick.cx/viewcvs/*checkout*/s-abstractions/s-env-help.pd [note: Frank gave me permission to include sssad-0.1 in my CVS, but you can also get it from Frank's SVN or from the puredata sourceforge CVS] Let us smash techno into tiny little pieces. Best regards, Chris. ------------------- chris(a)mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx

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Re: [PD] compiling nusmuk
by Thomas Grill 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

Hi Pablo, sorry, can't reproduce... i just tried cygwin (gcc 3.4.4) and OSX (gcc 3.3) - no problems. Which version of flext are you using... be sure to try also with the cvs version. greetings, Thomas pablo schrieb: > hi list, hi nicolas > > i'm having some trouble trying to compile externals/nusmuk from CVS. > typing : sh ../../grill/flext/build.sh pd gcc > > make -f ../../grill/flext/buildsys/gnumake-sub.mak > PLATFORM=lnx > RTSYS=pd > COMPILER=gcc > BUILDPATH=../../grill/flext/buildsys/ > PKGINFO=package.txt > BUILDCLASS=ext > TARGETMODE=release > TARGETTYPE=single _build_ > make[1]: entrant dans le répertoire « > /home/pablo/pure-data/externals/nusmuk/msd » > g++ -c -msse -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math -DNDEBUG -pthread -fPIC > -DFLEXT_SYS=2 > -I/home/pablo/pure-data/pd/src -I/usr/local/include/flext main.cpp -o > pd-linux/release-single/main.opp > main.cpp:3: error: explicit specialization of ‘flext_obj* > msdN<1>::__init__(int, t_atom*)’ must be introduced by ‘template <>’ > main.cpp:3: error: template-id ‘__init__<>’ for ‘flext_obj* > msdN<1>::__init__(int, t_atom*)’ does not match any template declaration > main.cpp:3: error: invalid function declaration > make[1]: *** [pd-linux/release-single/main.opp] Erreur 1 > make[1]: quittant le répertoire « > /home/pablo/pure-data/externals/nusmuk/msd » > make: *** [build-release-single] Erreur 2 > > i get the same error when trying to compile msd3D > main.cpp:3: error: explicit specialization of ‘flext_obj* > msdN<3>::__init__(int, t_atom*)’ must be introduced by ‘template <>’ > main.cpp:3: error: template-id ‘__init__<>’ for ‘flext_obj* > msdN<3>::__init__(int, t_atom*)’ does not match any template declaration > main.cpp:3: error: invalid function declaration > make[1]: *** [pd-linux/release-single/main.opp] Erreur 1 > > > i have build flext from CVS, and i tried with gcc3.3, gcc3.4 and gcc4. > Also it is the first I try to build with flext. maybe it is more a > flext-relevant problem ? > Any help would be nice (as you can see I have no C++ knowledge). > cheers > pablo > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Faites de Yahoo! votre page d'accueil sur le web pour retrouver > directement vos services préférés : vérifiez vos nouveaux mails, > lancez vos recherches et suivez l'actualité en temps réel. Rendez-vous > sur http://fr.yahoo.com/set > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > -- Thomas Grill http://grrrr.org

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polar physical model in pmpd/msd
by B. Bogart 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

Hey all, (especially Nicholas and Cyrille, and the other pmpd experts) So I have a multi-screen setup (three machines generating three views of the same gem patch synced over OSC.) and I'd like to impliment a simple physical model the covers the following: The screens are arranged in a circle, so in this diagram the left edge is the same position as the right edge. The left edge of Screen 1 (S1) is the same point in space as the right edge of S3. Since they all show difference viewpoints of the same space its possible to have objects dispear between screens. +----+ +----+ +----+ | S1 | | S2 | | S3 | +----+ +----+ +----+ There are sensors above each screen and a bunch of objects in each image. When there is no one in front of a particular screen it will attract the objects around it. Hopefully what happens is all the objects end up being visible on the screens, though each screen need not have the same number of objects in it. I would also like these objects to float around a bit on these screens and not be static, probably an iAmbient. When someone steps in front of Screen 2, all the objects on that screen get immediatly repelled from this screen, and simultaneously attacted to S1 and S3, so that all the objects flee screen 2 for screen 1/3. Conversely when someone steps in front of screen S3, then the objects fly off screen 3 aiming for screen 1/2. Now comes the polar part, since the screens are in a circle the when someone activates screen 3, the closest screen is S1. I want the objects to go directly from S3 to Screen 1 without passing through S2. I can get my head around a physical model that switches the direction of force when the corresponding screen is activated, but I don't know how it would connect with the polar stuff. Another option would be to consider a 3D physical model that matches my Gem space: |-Seam between S1 and S3. +-----|-----+ | S3 / \ S1 | | / \ | | | | S2 | | ------- | +-----------+ So at the centre of S1, S2 and S3 we would have a big iSphere3D that almost touch one and other (or should they overlap?). Then the objects would move in cartesian space, from the centre of S3, straight to S1 and S3, passing through the centre of the room. Anyone have any advice/suggestions or similar patches I can use as a starting point? Thanks all, .b.

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Re: [PD] PDP and quicktime pdp_qt
by Dave Leith 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

As for sorenson codec it still remains unrecognized along with the rest. On the Mac using the installer there is no /sw folder created (show invisible files). Using the installer from puredata.org to install you just drag the Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC8 package to anywhere on your harddrive, (me to a PureData folder in Applications). Fink - which is not installed on my system would create a sw folder but it's not part of the OSX PD default installer or installation requirements. The path using "Show Package Contents" is Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC8/Contents/lib/libquicktime.0.dylib. This is where other files libbz2.1.0.2.dylib, libmp3lame.0.dylib, libspeex.1.dylib, etc. reside. Do I need to do something to else to get the library to be recognized?....Odd that pdp_qt is not using the installed library (as I mentioned earlier nothing changes if the libquicktime.0.dylib is removed) The patch I'm using to open the quicktime movies is called "quicktime.pd" and it comes with the PiDiP OSX installer. On 4/21/06, Patrick Pagano <pat(a)digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote: > > where did you put it? > it should go in /sw/lib, yes? > and then you tried to make a movie 320x240 with sorensen codec? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pd-list-bounces(a)iem.at on behalf of Dave Leith > Sent: Thu 4/20/2006 9:59 PM > To: PD List send > Cc: > Subject: Re: [PD] PDP and quicktime pdp_qt > > > Hi all > > the saga continues...I replaced the quicktime library > libquicktime.0.dylib in RC8 with the one from the PiDiP package and no > difference. Then I thought I'd see just what difference it would make if it > wasn't even there at all (renamed) and it made no difference what so > ever....same old messages about wrong codec but no complaints about the > missing library...does this idicate a problem else where..if so where to > look? > > Thanks > > Same behavior in RC6, RC7, RC8 .39 test2.....none of them can find > a qt codec on OSX > > > On 4/19/06, Pat Pagano <bigswift(a)ufl.edu> wrote: > > Sorry, i am on linux and os x > > replace that dylib with the one from the pidip sources > > > > On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Dave Leith wrote: > > > I'm not sure this will work as I am using the PD extended > OSX installer from puredata.org. Everything is inside the package (Show > Contents). The quicktime library seems to be called libquicktime.0.dylib > > Thanks > > > On 4/19/06, Patrick Pagano < pat(a)digitalworlds.ufl.edu<mailto: > pat(a)digitalworlds.ufl.edu> > wrote: > > from terminal.app > > cd /sw/lib > > sudo mv libquicktime.so.0 libquicktimeso.0_fink > > sudo cp ******/libquicktime.so.0 . > > */ where ****** is the libquicktime included with > pidip /* > > locate libquicktime > > might help too.. > > HtH > > cheers~ > > > As well what would be the most straightforward way > to replace the quicktime library? I do have a copy of pdp_pidip_osx.tar.gz. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > >

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hide/show controls at runtime
by Federico 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

I am building a complex interface for a synthesizer. I would like to hide and show sliders/nbx/toggles in order to make this interface a bit more clean. (I would achieve an effect like the tabs in a configuration dialog) do exist some messages to send to slider and other controls, in order to hide/show them?

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