Pd-list March 2006

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gem of life
by rainer kohlberger 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

hello. excuse me for asking, but what i'm thinking about for a little while now: has the development of Gem become to an end, and 0.90 is the final version? i've found this todo-file in the cvs: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pd-gem/Gem/doc/gem.todo.txt? view=markup some of the things listed there would be really cool to have.. rainer.

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Re: [Pd] Externals
by Chuckk Hubbard 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

OK, I copied the pd_darwin files for [operating_system], [active], Gem, and hid into my extern folder and all but hid work. Most of hid works, but not [mouse]. I guess I'll just do without that one. I have what I needed from the others. Thank you! -Chuckk On 3/19/06, Renato Fabbri <renatoftato(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > the exended package on: > http://puredata.info/downloads/ > already have _bunch_ of externals > > it is also cool to take some time and read the sites > listed on the wikipedia article on pure data: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_data > > and to play a little here: > http://pd.klingt.org/webring/info.html > > have a good time! > ref > > --- Chuckk Hubbard <badmuthahubbard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Where are they? Is there a reference with links to > > lots of them? The > > references I can find don't work or have them listed > > in different > > places. I hate having to ask the list where > > externals are whenever > > someone suggests one. > > > > -Chuckk > > > > -- > > "It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is > > shallow, that the lover > > of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters." > > -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- "It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters." -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"

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Re: [Pd] Externals
by Chuckk Hubbard 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

I can copy the "PD-extended" file to my disk and open it, and I can manually put the -lib flags in and they work (that option doesn't work on my PC, but it does on my school's Macs), but I cannot install the preferences list that tells PD to load all the externs, since I don't have admin access. I would rather find the individual externs by themselves. This is what I find so confusing: the page for cyclone says nothing about OSX availability, and I haven't found any other copies of it searching pdp or puredata.info. And yet, here it is in "PD-extended" for Mac. It would be simpler if I could just find the actual library, so I could be sure I had it with me at all times on my flash drive, but opening the PD-extended.app, they appear to be all mixed together. I have checked all the indexes people have suggested. I'd like to be able to use these libraries with the PD I've been using, 0.38-3. Maybe I'm just picky. I would be willing to teach myself to compile externs, but I can't use the compiler that comes with OSX due to not having administrative access. I posted asking on an OSX forum, so I'll see what comes of that. Thanks for your help. -Chuckk > the exended package on: > http://puredata.info/downloads/ > already have _bunch_ of externals > > it is also cool to take some time and read the sites > listed on the wikipedia article on pure data: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_data > > and to play a little here: > http://pd.klingt.org/webring/info.html > > have a good time! > ref > > --- Chuckk Hubbard <badmuthahubbard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Where are they? Is there a reference with links to > > lots of them? The > > references I can find don't work or have them listed > > in different > > places. I hate having to ask the list where > > externals are whenever > > someone suggests one. > > > > -Chuckk > >

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"Path" and "Startup" options not available
by Chuckk Hubbard 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

For a few months now I haven't been able to access Path or Startup from the file menu. I reinstalled Pd a bunch of times, and it is the same with 0.38-3 and 0.39-2. I click those options in the menu and nothing happens. Anyone know what might be wrong? -Chuckk -- "It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters." -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"

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Externals
by Chuckk Hubbard 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

Where are they? Is there a reference with links to lots of them? The references I can find don't work or have them listed in different places. I hate having to ask the list where externals are whenever someone suggests one. -Chuckk -- "It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters." -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"

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Re: [PD] [ANN] GridFlow 0.8.2
by Mathieu Bouchard 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, day 5 wrote: > On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > * removed jmax2pd > OH NOES!!!! > D: aye, shaddup. you're always telling the same joke. _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju | Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada

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Re: [PD-announce] re: workshop hc
by josue moreno 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

Im reallly interested in that Madrid workshop

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Programming advice
by Chuckk Hubbard 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

Well, my JI sequencer is getting close to being everything I could want. I have it set up to use mouse messages to automatically select, copy, paste, and move notes, and I can automatically transpose notes within the same range by any ratio. I can switch from MIDI to PD audio, using 8 copies of a built-in synth (I could fairly easily expand the program to use any number of voices). I am experimenting with using a moveable canvas on the score with a ghost note next to it rather than number boxes to enter notes. I can change the reference note of the whole score to add sections in other "keys". I can load, save, and record songs. It saves voice presets for both MIDI output and my onboard synth. Exponential or linear tempo control, reading breakpoints from the score. I have a mixer that works for both MIDI and PD synth, controllable by MIDI surface. I enter notes with a version of the data entry patch I just posted. I have a minute:seconds timer on the main patch. A vertical line that follows the score while playing, turns off while recording, and is used to set areas of selection or transposing. This can be moved one or four beats at a time, or can jump to the beginning. There's a feature I don't use much anymore, where manually selecting a note and dragging it up or down cycles through a series of common ratios, which changes if the reference note changes. That was my original idea. It works, but I modulate so much I'd just as soon do the math in my head as change the whole score. My problem is that the program is cluttered. I work by inspiration, in all things, and opening up dozens of subpatches, I see objects scattered wherever there was room to put them, connections running every direction around the screen. I still remember the purposes of most of them fairly well, so I can make adjustments and such, but I'd like for this program to be my ticket to grad school. It works fine, and I expect to have a healthy group of works to include with it when I show it, but anyone who looks inside is going to see supreme disorganization. Due to some quirks with PD, there are also elements that are not self-explanatory. The process of deleting measures is really roundabout, since PD can't delete scalars automatically. It's impossible to drag to select a group of notes without also selecting all the beat lines, measure lines, and staff lines. So how important is all this to computer music grad programs? Are they going to call me on it if the program works? Is there a reference on programming etiquette? Thanks. -Chuckk -- "It is not when truth is dirty, but when it is shallow, that the lover of knowledge is reluctant to step into its waters." -Friedrich Nietzsche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"

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Re: [PD] Re: [PD-dev] We've got to undo the MIDI revolution! - Where isOSC?!
by Chris McCormick 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 04:50:43AM +0100, pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:09:53 +0000 > From: cdr <ix(a)replic.net> > Subject: Re: [PD] Re: [PD-dev] We've got to undo the MIDI revolution! > - Where isOSC?! > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Message-ID: <20060317030953.GC4071(a)replic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > As far as I can tell, all that would be needed to acheive this is an > > object called [stol] (symbol to list) in Pd canonical. This object is > > like Perl's "split" function and it would take a character (such as "/") > > as it's first argument. Then you could just go: > > > > [netrecieve myport 1] > > | > > [list split 1] > > | | > > [stol /] | > > | | > > | | > > | [...list split or route value bits here...] > > | > > [...list split or route path bits here...] > > > > > > Sending OSC udp packets to myport. N'est pas? > > i dont think that will work..OSC is encoded a specific way, using a typetag and combinations of various kinds of big endian numbers and ASCII text, zero padding to byte boundaries to delimit messages/message-components (the typetags and path are treated as a string). netsend uses ASCII text for everything and uses ";" to delimit.. > > see http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/OpenSoundControl/OSC-spec-examples.html > > its simple to implement, but impossible to implement in PD, as a patch...since you cant stream 'bytes' around the way you can floats or symbols or lists... You are quite correct. My apologies for highlighting my ignorance quite so lucidly! In this case, I think it would be a good idea to try and get the OSC objects that everyone is using into Miller's Pd. Why write new ones using liblo when there are ones that already work? Best, Chris. ------------------- chris(a)mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx

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Re: [hid] crashes Re: [PD] Couldn't Create sndfiler thread: 1?
by Georg Holzmann 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

Hallo! > I have a two week residency at STEIM coming up at the end of May where > I am going to be working on nothing but HID related stuff. Bug reports I installed hid this week and encountered a few things: the build system was really confusing for me, I spent quite a time to see how it works: - typing "make" as in readme doesn't do much ... - after some time I noticed, that I have to download more stuff from cvs/packages ... why that? - okay, then typing "make" still did not work - "make all" worked ... then hid alwas crashes, if I open a device and send "1" message to start it: - backtrace only says, that it is somewhere in hid_read (don't remember the real name) ... then I tried to fix it with setting breakpoints in that function, but then nothing happen ... so I gave up because I had not much time I discoverd this behaviour all the time on various computers ... I only have one working hid binary, compiled 1 year ago, which works everywhere ... (but I can try to give you more information about those crashes next week ...) LG Georg -- Bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten sparen: GMX SmartSurfer! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer

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