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Re: [PD] cellular automata
by Mathieu Bouchard 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, that very same person wrote: > I guess im simple minded and cant take a joke. Im simply sick of the > bullshit FOSS political/idealist ranting. Apologies - I did not get the > "joke". No, you're sick of FOSS because you can get the crack for MAX/MSP. That's a lot better because then you can use lots of efforts that have been paid for, without having to pay for them. That's a lot easier than putting any kind of effort into software that nobody has paid for. and it's incredible that after you've been told that it's not a political rant, you persist talking about the political rant. Where's the political rant? ps: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2005-08/004623.html _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju | Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada

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int float with pure data
by thomas thiery 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

hello, I have just seen me a bug under pure data but I do not manage to explain it. The problem comes from the int's box, I believe. I think that you know it already. Here my patch #N canvas 266 130 458 411 10; #X obj 133 75 t f f; #X obj 158 101 int; #X obj 145 131 -; #X floatatom 149 171 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 117 171 * 10; #X floatatom 117 195 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 133 31 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 133 52 / 10; #X text 172 30 <-- roll it \, it's beautiful; #X floatatom 245 134 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 25 92 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X text 61 208 I don't understand can you help me?; #X obj 183 133 print int; #X obj 65 133 print float; #X obj 136 275 expr ($f1/10-int($f1/10))*10; #X floatatom 135 237 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 139 340 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X text 165 237 <-- roll it \, it's beautiful; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 0 0 10 0; #X connect 0 0 13 0; #X connect 0 1 1 0; #X connect 1 0 2 1; #X connect 1 0 9 0; #X connect 1 0 12 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 2 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 6 0 7 0; #X connect 7 0 0 0; #X connect 14 0 16 0; #X connect 15 0 14 0;

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MIDI on Intel Macs
by KEYES CHRISTOPHER JAY 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

Dear PD people, I'm having great difficulty sending MIDI messeges to the built-in synth of Intel Macs OSX 10.4.8. Audio is fine but the MIDI side of Test Audio and MIDI does not work. No problem with MaxMSP and if I have it running "to/from MaxMSP 1" shows in PD's MIDI preferences; otherwise there are no options for "input device 1" etc. Making the IAC Driver active and adding additional ports to it under the Mac Audio MIDI Set-up application does then give me choices in PD's MIDI preferences...but none of them work. Any ideas top fix this or where I can download an exicutible for which this problem is solved? Thanks, Christopher ****************************************************************** Dr. Christopher Keyes, BA Course Coordinator/ Assoc. Prof. - Department of Music Hong Kong Baptist University 224 Waterloo Road, Kowloon, Hong Kong Office Phone: (852) 3411-7388 Office Fax: (852) 3411-7870 e-mail: ckeyes(a)hkbu.edu.hk http://www.hkbu.edu.hk/~ckeyes *******************************************************************

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[pix_snap crash on winXP](was:Re: [PD] pix_record mixed pixes)
by Patco 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

chris clepper a Ã©crit : > On 12/11/06, *Patco* <megalegoland(a)yahoo.fr > <mailto:megalegoland@yahoo.fr>> wrote: > > > > > > In the 07.Snapshot1.pd example, pd crashes when I click on [snap(, > > > > using pd-0.40-1, > > > I forgot to tell the hardware, > laptop amd64, graphic card VIA/S3G Unichrome Pro IGP, > > > I have no way to test that GPU. It works on ATI Radeon and FireGL > just fine. Nvidia 7900 will arrive soon for testing. > > I've also forgot I'm sometime using gdb, maybe this could give a clue: when I start pd it says: ModLoad: 6bd00000 6bd1a000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbnz1x1.dll ModLoad: 72c70000 72c79000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\wdmaud.drv ModLoad: 778e0000 779d8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll ModLoad: 76be0000 76c0e000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\WINTRUST.dll ModLoad: 779e0000 77a76000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\CRYPT32.dll ModLoad: 77a80000 77a92000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSASN1.dll ModLoad: 76c40000 76c68000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\IMAGEHLP.dll ModLoad: 72c70000 72c79000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\wdmaud.drv ModLoad: 778e0000 779d8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll ModLoad: 72c60000 72c68000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\msacm32.drv ModLoad: 77bb0000 77bc5000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSACM32.dll ModLoad: 00d50000 00d69000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\vct3216.acm ModLoad: 77ba0000 77ba7000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\midimap.dll ModLoad: 71990000 719d0000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\mswsock.dll ModLoad: 62e40000 62e99000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\hnetcfg.dll ModLoad: 719d0000 719d8000 C:\WINDOWS\System32\wshtcpip.dll ModLoad: 00f70000 00fa1000 e:\pd39\extra\py.dll ModLoad: 1e000000 1e1cb000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\python24.dll ModLoad: 7c9d0000 7d1f3000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\SHELL32.dll ModLoad: 77f40000 77fb6000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\SHLWAPI.dll ModLoad: 7c340000 7c396000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSVCR71.dll ModLoad: 77390000 77492000 C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9\comctl32.dll ModLoad: 58b50000 58bea000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\comctl32.dll ModLoad: 01480000 01742000 C:\pd\extra\Gem.dll ModLoad: 7c3a0000 7c41b000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSVCP71.dll ModLoad: 73aa0000 73ab7000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\AVIFIL32.dll ModLoad: 75ba0000 75bc1000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSVFW32.dll ModLoad: 73ad0000 73ae3000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\AVICAP32.dll ModLoad: 77bd0000 77bd8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\VERSION.dll ModLoad: 5f070000 5f13c000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\OPENGL32.dll ModLoad: 6cef0000 6cf11000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\GLU32.dll ModLoad: 736b0000 736f9000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\DDRAW.dll ModLoad: 73b10000 73b16000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\DCIMAN32.dll ModLoad: 770e0000 7716c000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\OLEAUT32.dll ModLoad: 66800000 66d20000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime.qts ModLoad: 5f140000 5f157000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\OLEPRO32.DLL ModLoad: 76340000 7638a000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\comdlg32.dll ModLoad: 77aa0000 77b47000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\WININET.DLL ModLoad: 0ffd0000 0fff8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\rsaenh.dll ModLoad: 73e60000 73ebc000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\dsound.dll ModLoad: 778e0000 779d8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll ModLoad: 778e0000 779d8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll ModLoad: 778e0000 779d8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll ModLoad: 778e0000 779d8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll ModLoad: 778e0000 779d8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll ModLoad: 778e0000 779d8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll ModLoad: 73e30000 73e34000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\KsUser.dll ModLoad: 778e0000 779d8000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll ModLoad: 74690000 746db000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSCTF.dll ModLoad: 676d0000 67761000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTime3GPP.qtx ModLoad: 66fe0000 67171000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeAuthoring.qtx ModLoad: 67180000 671c9000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeCapture.qtx ModLoad: 671d0000 6724e000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeEffects.qtx ModLoad: 67430000 674ad000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeEssentials.qtx ModLoad: 67260000 672e4000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeImage.qtx ModLoad: 66f00000 66fd7000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeInternetExtras.qtx ModLoad: 673c0000 6742a000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeMPEG.qtx ModLoad: 674b0000 67523000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeMPEG4.qtx ModLoad: 67530000 67677000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeMPEG4Authoring.qtx ModLoad: 672f0000 67373000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeMusic.qtx ModLoad: 66d20000 66dd9000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeStreaming.qtx ModLoad: 07d40000 07da9000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QTMPEG2.qtx ModLoad: 67800000 6784c000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeStreamingAuthoring.qtx ModLoad: 67850000 6786f000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTime\QuickTimeStreamingExtras.qtx ModLoad: 66e40000 66ea0000 C:\WINDOWS\system32\QuickTimeVR.qtx ModLoad: 07ef0000 07f27000 e:\pd39\extra\zexy.dll ModLoad: 08040000 0805c000 e:\pd39\extra\widget.dll ModLoad: 08070000 08099000 e:\pd39\extra\OSC.dll ModLoad: 080b0000 080cf000 e:\pd39\extra\pmpd.dll when I create a gemwin gdb says: Call Into DrvCreateLayerContext Call Into DrvCreateLayerContext When I turn on rendering: (e20.9bc): Access violation - code c0000005 (first chance) First chance exceptions are reported before any exception handling. This exception may be expected and handled. eax=000084c0 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000001 edx=00000000 esi=08102290 edi=081022d8 eip=00000000 esp=0012f340 ebp=009436f0 iopl=0 nv up ei pl nz na pe nc cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003b gs=0000 efl=00210206 00000000 ?? ??? ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail rÃ©invente le mail ! DÃ©couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface rÃ©volutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [PD] mr peach externals
by martin.peach＠sympatico.ca 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

I always just add them individually to the extra folder and call them by name, e.g. [tcpclient]. I don't know if there is such a thing as a mrpeach lib. They should all work on intel macs if they were compiled for that platform. I've only tried them on WinXP and linux. Martin > > De: Miguel Cardoso <mcardoso(a)soopa.org> > Date: 2006/12/11 lun. AM 11:57:30 GMT-05:00 > À: pd-liste <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Objet: [PD] mr peach externals > > hi list > > how can I install mrpeach externals in pure data? > > Im currently using the version Steffen linked for MacIntel: > http://puredata.info/Members/stffn/Pd-0.39.2-extended-2006-10-31- > macosx104-i386.dmg > > the latest autobuild versions have mr peach but It appears they > aren't running on some intel machines owned by newbies :) > > thanks > m > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >

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RE: Re: [PD] int float with pure data
by padawan12＠obiwannabe.co.uk 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

>as for now I think I can count up to 16 777 216. >correct? ok, I can live with that for the moment. >m. > >marius schebella wrote: >> that's the problem with floats... >> another question I have is, how high is it possible to count without >> problems? Indexing tables with very big sizes is one place I've seen the precision limitations come up in Pd. If you index a huge sound file with a slow moving phasor you will hear tiny jumps as it gets further and further into the array. >> marius. >> >> IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: >>> Frank Barknecht wrote: >>>> Hallo, >>>> thomas thiery hat gesagt: // thomas thiery wrote: >>>> >>>>> hello, I have just seen me a bug under pure data but I do not manage >>>>> to explain it. The problem comes from the int's box, I believe. I >>>>> think that you know it already. Here my patch >>>> Hm, I don't really see what should be the bug in this patch? >>>> >>> >>> roll to 41 >>> >>> mfg.asdr >>> IOhannes >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

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RE: Re: [PD] fmbox patch for d/l, improv
by padawan12＠obiwannabe.co.uk 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

>On 12/8/06, padawan12 <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> wrote: >> Personally I'd drop the freeverb. Lot's of people seem to put a reverb >> on their synths then get to see it's really best without >> it. Reverb is nearly always global effect in most cases, unless you're >> Phil Collins and want your drumkit to sound like each drum is in >> a different room. If the synth is washed in reverb too much I think >> you lose the focus of the sound, the sound becomes all about the >> reverb and not about the synth, so you lose control because you >> cant really hear it anymore as you twiddle the controls. > >I agree about dropping the freeverb from the patch, as it's really >better to let people choose their own (or no) effects unless it's >truly integral to the synth's sound. And it makes things more portable and usable on lower spec hardware too. > >However, I disagree about reverb being a global effect unless you are >Phil Collins. I think this depends on the genre. Yeah totally. I was being a cock about Phil Collins, it's just that late 80's "hey we can afford 10 of those Yamaha REV1 boxes so lets use them on everything" that grates on me. Some tracks use reverb totally disparately to create a good effect, and honestly, there's no reason *not* to have a synth patch or entire track based largely on reverb effects - I just think it's a common mistake when building and composing with synths to begin with adding too many effects on each one, and ending up with over-dense mixes. How much reverb and what kind? That's an old favorite ;) ! I'm of the less is the new more school this week :) Specific purposes are worth remembering, like you say, the difference in where you want the best replay sound , headphones vs a club PA is a proper baffler, and as usual there's a happy compromise to seek that defines your own style. > >I make quite a bit of techno/house/electro/minimal, and to me reverb >is almost never a global effect. I usually use it (or a synced delay) >on one or two sounds in a mix which need to have a sort of >floating/wash feel and lay over the top. I see, you target specific elements you want to have a reverb. I guess I do too, I mean being selective on the global reverb(s) mixes, though the aim is often to "bind" things together that want to be in the same space. I say reverb(s) because actually I think the best result is obtained by using two processes, one to handle the early reflections, the "hardness and tightness" of the reverb and one to handle the "wash", but they have to work together. > But the key to getting nice >and tight percussion, and very clean mixes that will sound right in a >a big room, is having most of your stuff totally dry with no effects >at all, except compression of some sort ... Yeah agree, that early detroit and NY techno was so powerful because of it, the clubs gave the sound it's life and you could pump it up big because it was dry. >I might have 8 fx tracks, >and just one will have reverb, and a second delay. This assumes one is >making tracks that may be played on a club system at some point. >Headphone/listening music would give one more leeway. But this >technique been working for me as my stuff is sounding quite good on >those systems -- comparable to other stuff I've been playing out with >my own stuff side by side. >Note, I'm not saying put different reverb on each thing - but rather >use a single reverb, but only on one or two elements in a mix. > >This being the case, you still wouldn't want the reverb built into the >synth, as it needs to be applied in terms of the mix as a whole. Just >my personal opinion. Good one. And I suppose it depends on your mixdown style and way of working too. I have grown fond of jack-rack and leaving all those processing decisions right till the last moment. Having said that there's probably room for a few more good reverb objects in Pd, things like [vdn~] and whatnot, maybe some nice convolution. Any thoughts? best, andy

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Re: [PD] cellular automata (fwd)
by Mathieu Bouchard 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, someone wrote: > On Dec 11, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: >> and then Cycling 74 * 9 = 666 > > ZOMG THAT IS SO BRILLIANT. > Heres an idea : lets rename Max/MSP/Jitter to "Pure Evil" > > hey, lets call Microsoft M$, go on political rants about free and open > source software too. > > Now I remember why I stopped using PD, maybe if you made your software easy > to use, fixed obvious and glaring bugs and werent elitist, more people would > use it and teach it in the community. Look, some people can't take a joke. There are people who heard that joke before and they laughed, and they weren't as simple-minded as you might imagine. I also make jokes about my own software sometimes. What about you? _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju | Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada

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nightly builds on intel mac
by Miguel Cardoso 11 Dec '06

11 Dec '06

hi list i have an intel mac and tried to install the nightly build (Pd-0-1.39.2-extended-2006-12-05-macosx104-i386.dmg) whenever i start the app it doesn't run. I only see its icon jumping once or twice in the dock has it occurred to anyone? how can I solve it? thks

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Re: Re: [PD] mr peach externals
by martin.peach＠sympatico.ca 11 Dec '06

11 Dec '06

You can get the latest source here: http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/externals/mrpeach/net/ It will probably be easier for you to compile your own than to wait for one to show up. Martin > > De: Miguel Cardoso <mcardoso(a)soopa.org> > Date: 2006/12/11 lun. PM 02:07:57 GMT-05:00 > À: <martin.peach(a)sympatico.ca> <martin.peach(a)sympatico.ca> > Cc: pd-liste <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Objet: Re: [PD] mr peach externals > > Thanks Martin > > Sorry but I only found c and dll files... > http://pure-data.iem.at/Members/martinrp/ > > is there anywhere else where i can get the compiled files? > I tried copying them from a recent pd autobuild... but pd wouldn't > recognize them... > > > best > miguel > > On Dec 11, 2006, at 6:32 PM, <martin.peach(a)sympatico.ca> > <martin.peach(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > I always just add them individually to the extra folder and call > > them by name, e.g. [tcpclient]. I don't know if there is such a > > thing as a mrpeach lib. They should all work on intel macs if they > > were compiled for that platform. I've only tried them on WinXP and > > linux. > > > > Martin > > > > > >> > >> De: Miguel Cardoso <mcardoso(a)soopa.org> > >> Date: 2006/12/11 lun. AM 11:57:30 GMT-05:00 > >> À: pd-liste <pd-list(a)iem.at> > >> Objet: [PD] mr peach externals > >> > >> hi list > >> > >> how can I install mrpeach externals in pure data? > >> > >> Im currently using the version Steffen linked for MacIntel: > >> http://puredata.info/Members/stffn/Pd-0.39.2-extended-2006-10-31- > >> macosx104-i386.dmg > >> > >> the latest autobuild versions have mr peach but It appears they > >> aren't running on some intel machines owned by newbies :) > >> > >> thanks > >> m > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > >> listinfo/pd-list > >> > > > > >

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