Pd-list January 2006

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iem vcf_filter~ error
by derek holzer 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

Using [vcf_lp2~], [vcf_bp2~] or [vcf_hp2~] abstractions from the Iem library, I get this error consistantly everytime audio processing is started, once for each copy of the abstraction: vcf_filter~-Error: 1. initial-arguments: <sym> kind: lp2, bp2, rbp2, hp2! This does not occur when the abstraction is used by itself in a new patch. The abstraction in which the [vcf_lp2~] occurs has no additional creation arguments, so I can't see that [vcf_lp2~] is getting a wrong argument passed int hat way by mistake. I'm worried it might make my patch unstable, as the patch is quite complex and contains many of these abstractions. Can I safely ignore this, or is there a way to correct it? There is no help patch for [vcf_filter~] to double check the initial arguments, and since it is an abstraction with comes with Iemlib, one would assume that it was built correctly. d. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ---Oblique Strategy # 147: "State the problem as clearly as possible"

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[ANN][PD-announce] flib 0.8 released
by Jamie Bullock 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

Hi, I have added a few more externals to my flib library for feature extraction (http://www.puredata.org/Members/jb/). In addition to the existing externals, it now also includes: # melf~ - generate a Mel-spaced filter for fft filtering # clean~ - replaces NaN, inf and -inf with 0 # wdv~ - calculate a wavelet dispersion vector # hca~ - harmonic component analysis Some of these are a bit 'experimental', but may be useful for something. It is also available via the pure-data CVS in the externals/postlude directory Regards, Jamie

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Re: Error building from latest version in CVS
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

(let's keep this on the list since there are many people who can answer these questions) It looks like you are trying to compile 0.38.4. The -lrt problem was fixed in 0.39 and later. If you want to compile 0.38.4, then you can use the patches: cd packages/patches make patch_pd .hc On Jan 8, 2006, at 10:44 PM, lists.puredata.info(a)cefn.com wrote: > More precisely I'm finding it hard to resolve what rt maps to, because > it's such a short string. Hard to disambiguate on the web. I think > that -rt is a flag to launch pd, but can't make sense of the library > which needs to be resolved here. > > Cefn > http://cefn.com > > On 8 Jan 2006, at 23:51, lists.puredata.info(a)cefn.com wrote: > >> Calling make in packages/darwin_app, after some positive looking >> build activities, leads to the following terminal error. >> /usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -lrt >> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >> make[2]: *** [../bin/pd] Error 1 >> make[1]: [pd] Error 2 (ignored) >> ________________________________________________________________________ ____ "Information wants to be free." -Stewart Brand

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PDDP Documentation Meeting - Next Meeting Monday January 9th
by B. Bogart 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

Hey all, The next PDDP Meeting will be: Jan 9th, 2006 11.00 Pacific Time 14.00 Eastern Time 19.00 UTC 20.00 Central European again on #dataflow on irc.freenode.net We'll discuss our "homework" project, which was to create an idea for a project that involves the PDDP workshop areas of focus: *Image *Sound *Network *Physical Media Each project should be aimed for a certain level of complexity, with more emphasis on the simpler projects for introduction courses. If you can't think of a project that involves all these areas then think of two or more related projects that together involve all these areas. Please have an idea and an idea for how to implement it. It would be ideal if you could document your projects somewhere on the web. see you then. b.

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Re: [PD] synthesizers / drums / effects ..etc
by josue moreno 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

People might be able to help you more if you make your question a bit more specific, and describe, for example, what form of synthesis you want to use? youre right, but the matter is that i really dont know what kind of synthesis i want. I just know that what i want are very short sounds with enough information inside. I want very characteristic sounds but not too much intrusive. The interest for find a Synth is for put the same numeric values that i used for control the duration relations in the diferent parameters like frequency, number of partials, volume of each partial(i was thinking firstly in aditive). I want to be out of the synthesis process, making "games" with numbers, and be a composer working with Envelop Generators and so... That is all specific i can be for now, sorry for that, and thank you, JosuÃ©.

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synthesizers / drums / effects ..etc
by hard off 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

i am looking for any synthesizer patches ..preferably old school analogue sounds, but anything's ok really. also drum / percussion patches .... but not sample based ones. and 'guitar pedal' effects. i have lots of these already, but i'm sure there are some i'm missing. i'm making a simple 'hands on' package for new pd users to play round with. will credit anyone whose patches get used.

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Pitch detection
by Jamie Bullock 09 Jan '06

09 Jan '06

Hi, Has anyone done any pitch detection work in PD other than with fiddle~? I am thinking about implementations of time domain or wavelet based methods, in particular, any implementation that has better low frequency resolution than fiddle~ and doesn't suffer as much from the time/frequency trade-off that comes with FFT based methods. Jamie

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Re: [PD-announce] [ANN] Re: SND as a pd-external.
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 09 Jan '06

09 Jan '06

On Jan 8, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > > This mail is to inform that SND as a PD external now has support > for sound processing as well as data processing, and that various > bugs and stuff has been fixed since the last announcement. > > Check out help-snd.pd for a data processing example, and > help-snd-fm.pd for a sound processing example. FYI: the helpfile standard is *-help.pd, help-*.pd is deprecated. .hc > > > On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote: > >> >> (This is an announcement) >> >> By ./configuring snd with the --with-snd-as-pd-external flag, >> you can use SND as a pd external. Check out the help-snd.pd patch >> for examples of use. >> >> For now its pretty similar to the k_guile external, but all the SND >> stuff is available, and its threaded, so guile's garbage collector >> will not interrupt pd. >> >> This makes SND as a pd external into a much better option than >> k_guile, and a very competitive alternative to the py/pyext external. >> >> Theres only realtime data-processing accessible via >> outlets/inlets/bindings for now, but realtime sound-processing is >> coming up soon as well. And of course, you can send messages to SND >> to do all kinds of things that SND provides, like playing files and >> stuff. (stuff=to much to be able to mention in one sentence) >> >> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/ >> >> >> USAGE >> ----- >> cd pd/externals >> wget ftp://ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu/pub/Lisp/snd-7.tar.bz2 >> tar xvjf snd-7.tar.bz2 >> cd snd-7 >> ./configure >> GUILE_CONFIG_path=<somewhere-where-guile1.7.2-is-installed>/bin >> --with-snd-as-pd-external >> make >> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=<somewhere-where-guile1.7.2-is-installed>/lib >> pd help-snd.pd >> >> (no make install) >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > PD-announce mailing list > PD-announce(a)iem.at > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > ________________________________________________________________________ ____ "The arc of history bends towards justice." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Re: [PD] Re: Building PD on Mac OS X Tiger
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 09 Jan '06

09 Jan '06

(this is a topic for the list, so I am CC'ing it again). On Jan 8, 2006, at 4:28 PM, lists.puredata.info(a)cefn.com wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Hans-Christoph, > > Building all of pd-extended isn't my favourite way forward, although > I'm attempting to do this to make progress anyway. I'll try to explain > why. > > One of the advantages of building pd from source was simplicity and > minimising unnecessary dependencies (i.e. not having to install a > thousand libraries when I only need one). This means the build can > take place more rapidly (I imagine) and also is likely to be more > portable. In the long run I will need to migrate the pd program I am > building to a cheaper platform to sit in an exhibition space, probably > a linux/intel box, and so reliance on every library building for the > darwin platform may turn out to be an obstacle or at least a waste. > > To take a simple example, I've never successfully installed ffmpeg > before today on Tiger, (although I've now managed it). It requires the > activation of 'unstable packages' from fink, and previously would > force me to reboot my machine (turned out to be a space in the Volume > name) so if this kind of problem is avoidable, I'll avoid it. > > However, without working from the basics of pd, and adding the > required libraries according to the elements I actually need (not many > elements needed in this case) it will be hard to get to a > stripped-down version of the minimal libraries, and know exactly what > I MUST build, versus what is in the full extended package. > > Is there a minimal build of pd for Tiger, which I could use as a > foundation, to add libraries with increasing complexity? Am I missing > something about the extended source you're pointing me to (is there a > minimal target). > > In the absence of this, I'll just build a debian box from scratch with > some cheap intel hardware, and then try to build the whole pd-extended > source on that with apt-get, whether I need it or not. The Pd-extended.app and Windows installer include all extra lib dependencies, so its not a big deal. The GNU/Linux version is aimed at Debian, and its easy enough to install the dependecies there. Here's how: http://puredata.org/docs/developer/Debian One of the key ideas of Pd-extended is that the package will be as close to exactly the same on all platforms, so it should work well for you when you transition from Mac OS X to Debian. There are already people working on making .deb packages from the Pd-extended build system. > NOTES ON INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS AT > > http://puredata.org/docs/developer/darwin > > Tcl/Tk section refers in one case to BatteriesIncluded version, and > in the other, to a disk image which is not named BI. The guidance to > download TclTkAqua-8.4.9.dmg therefore seems to be redundant. Should > this read TclTkAquaBI-8.4.9.dmg, or better, the recent stable releases > of 8.4.9 or 8.4.10... TclTkAquaBI-8.4.9.1.dmg or > TclTkAquaBI-8.4.10.0.dmg. If more recent versions are known NOT to > work, this is worth recording. Otherwise should I assume that later is > better? That document covers how Pd-extended is currently built. 8.4.9 is known to work, that's why its there. I haven't really played with newer versions, that's why I didn't say anythign about them. FYI: You need both the Frameworks (TclTkAqua-8.4.9.dmg) and the .app (TclTkAquaStandalone-8.4.9.dmg). Fixed the BI typo. > At one point during the installation, I believed the script was asking > for a cvs password with the prompt > password: > whereas it was actually asking for sudo privileges. My error, but this > could be clarified with a message in the script. Where is this? > OTHER COMMENTS > > Out of interest, for some reason, from my current location (New > Hampshire) I can't get to http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html at > all, (though the rest of the web seems accessible from here). Not your > problem, but maybe worth noting if others experience the same problems > of visibility. Haven't heard of any problems recently. .hc > > Cefn > http://cefn.com/curiosity/ > > On 8 Jan 2006, at 14:21, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> >> The Pd-extended binaries should work fine on Tiger. Try RC6: >> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html >> >> >> Any of the recent versions should build on Tiger. Here are some >> basic setup instructions for compiling Pd-extended: >> >> http://puredata.org/docs/developer/darwin >> >> Post any problems you have with those instructions. >> >> .hc >> >> On Jan 8, 2006, at 4:24 AM, lists.puredata.info(a)cefn.com wrote: >> >>> I'd like to build the latest stable version of PD from source on my >>> Mac OS X Tiger machine, for the following reasons. >>> ________________________________________________________________________ ____ Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. -David Zicarelli

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[OT] - search for database designer
by João Miguel Pais 09 Jan '06

09 Jan '06

Hi, a friend of mine of looking for someone who can work with CMS (content management system) to build a database of a webpage. If anyone is interested, you can contact him directly. Greetings, JoÃ£o Miguel Pais ------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ------- Von: "teodoro anzellotti" <teodoro(a)anzellotti.de> An: jmmmp(a)arcor.de Betreff: programmieren Datum: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:16:01 -0000 hallo jaÃ¡o, habe an dich eine kleine frage, kennst du jemand der eine datenbank programmieren kann, die cms (content management system) fÃ€hig ist? ich will nÃ€mlich eine homepage machen lassen und der grafiker mÃŒÃte jemand haben der so etwas kann. es sollte nicht mehr als 500 euro kosten (ist ein bisschen schwierig, da man den zeitaufwand nicht kennt). vielleicht kannst du mir weiter helfen. der programmierer braucht nicht aus deutschland zu sein. die homepage hÃ€tte etwa den umfang von denen hier: http://www.neue-vocalsolisten.de www.mikesvoboda.de Teodoro Anzellotti teodoro(a)anzellotti.de www.anzellotti.de -- Lugostr. 14 79100 Freiburg i. Br. Deutschland +49 (0)761 7074997 jmmmpais(a)googlemail.com

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Pd-list January 2006