Pd-list November 2005

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Playing with the new data structure features
by Frank Barknecht 17 Dec '05

17 Dec '05

Hallo, hm, I really like the additional features of data structures. The scaling, although a bit awkward to use or to get into, gives some nice new possibilities. Some are illustrated in attached patch. I think, one major advantage now is, that ranges can be restricted, something that came up here as a feature wish a couple of times. It could be nice to also include this for [drawnumber], which currently doesn't work. Also thanks to the scaling it now is possible to have "inverted" ranges, which as in attached slider example often is more natural to use. Switchable visibility can be used for nice effects, too, and might be useful in conjunction with the new selection feature as well. Visibility switching however doesn't work correctly with [drawnumber] yet, which can be demonstrated by adding a "-v vis" to the [drawnumber ...] instruction in the slider template: Numbers don't get deleted correctly, when their visibility is switched off. I didn't yet play a lot with the selection feature yet, apart from looking through the help and example patches. It also looks immensly useful, because it provides a kind of callback on editing operations through the pointer sent by the [struct]. However the current mechanism doesn't allow one thing, that could be useful as well: If I change the value of some graph, while I'm not in edit mode, there still is no direct feedback. OTOH when I'm in edit mode, I can select an object and get this feedback, but I cannot change its data fields unless I leave edit mode again. With all this, I see that I can make a lot of cool enhancements to my msd-editor, which unfortunatly have to wait another week. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "plak" @ http://footils.org/cms/show/44

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The Party at the Center of the Universe
by Pall Thayer 10 Dec '05

10 Dec '05

New work: http://pallit.lhi.is/tpcu/ The Party at the Center of the Universe is an attempt at using data generated by the public to generate a spatial construct on the internet. This spatial construct takes into consideration the user's position in space, orientation in space and identity. Each of these factors will affect the way a person is represented in the constructed space. A user's position is determined by reading the strength of their wireless network connection. A user's orientation is determined by reading the values of the accelerometer (Sudden Motion Sensor) built in to their laptop. A user's identity is determined by reading the username of the user currently logged on to the laptop. The readings are made by a downloadable Dashboard widget and does not depend on the user's concious interaction. It runs in the background, transmitting the necessary information to the party at 5 second intervals. It does not interfere with normal use of the computer and the user is free to shutdown the widget at any time if they wish (but it's more fun to know that even though you're in the middle of an important board meeting or giving a presentation to people who hold your destiny in the palms of their wallets... er... hands, you're also the life of The Party at the Center of the Universe). Hubbles law describes how every point in space sees itself as the center of the Universe. Due to an effect similar to the Doppler effect experienced when an ambulance speeds past, the Universe appears to be expanding away from every point in space, in all directions. So a space that has the potential to be a single locative indicator of every point in space, must be the embodiment of the Center of the Universe... and we're throwing a party! BYOB, good company and music is provided. Due to the hardware requirements, the currently available client program will only run on recent models of Apple PowerBooks and iBooks. There are some laptops from other manufacturers with built in accelerometers, such as some of the IBM Thinkpads, but as I don't have one, I can't create the client. Anyone who does have one, is free to download the source material and make one. However, anyone can observe the infinitely expanding, curved spacetime of the Center of the Universe. -- Pall Thayer palli(a)pallit.lhi.is http://www.this.is/pallit

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Re: [PD] max msp vs pd
by shreeswifty 05 Dec '05

05 Dec '05

It only seems to be with pdp_ieee1394, which seems to HOG the whole cpu and is mysteriously missing from newer versions. The OpenGL seems to be much faster in GEM though. On Tue Nov 15 15:07:05 EST 2005, "B. Bogart" <ben(a)ekran.org> wrote: > > > shreeswifty wrote: >> I spent more time attempting to build and install jMAX then >> actually >> using it. Christian Klippel ported FFTEASE to it nicely and >> there was an >> awesome granular patch that someone built that worked on 2.5, >> but then >> it plummetted. >> >> I use pd recently for GEM, pdp, PIDIP an gridflow. It is nice. >> I recently have tried Jitter and it works very well too. I have >> noticed >> that the same type of patch is a little faster on Jitter than on >> GEM, >> but i think that is because of a mem leak with pdp_ieee1394. > > *cough* seems to me that would be more a comparison between the > quicktime architecture (and loads of proprietary code) compared > to pdp, > which I beleive on OSX ignores all that stuff and still uses the > free(er?) dv decoder. > > Funny I had heard the opposite, the same patch running on Gem > faster > than on jitter... ;) > > b. > >> >> On Mon Nov 14 16:13:32 EST 2005, Arie van Schutterhoef >> <arsche(a)xs4all.nl> wrote: >> >>>> Jitter is a clone of GridFlow. >>> >>> -Jitter is rumored to be 'inspired' by nato 0,55 of the >>> (in)famous >>> NN-aglomerate. >>> >>>>> implementing an alternative gui for jmax in python was (i think) >>>>> only an >>>>> attempt to make jMax fit better into an opensource project >>>>> like agnula >>>>> (they had license problems dueto java) >>>> >>>> Right, and also the Java/Swing UI had too many bugs, several >>>> of which >>>> were >>>> in SUN's and IBM's implementations of Java/Swing. >>> >>> -I have always been puzzled by this insistence on using java >>> for the GUI. >>> Seems to me also being the main reason why people disbanded >>> jMax. >>> and moved either to PD or to Max/MSP. >>> >>>> Oh, and as far as I can tell, IRCAM has destroyed the >>>> mailing-list >>>> archives of the old jMax, which conveniently removes most >>>> traces of the >>>> existence of former 3rd-party developers. >>> >>> -I don't know that's the reason, but its disappearance is >>> strange, to say >>> the least. >>> >>> AvS >>> >>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> . . >>> ..................................................................... >>> >>> ` |Schreck Ensemble . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> . . + >>> >>> ` |# -laboratory for live electro-acoustic music- # >>> | >>> | http://www.schreck.nl/ >>> | >>> | http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/ >>> | >>> ` >>> *===========================================================++ >>> ` |Compositions >>> http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/compo.html | >>> ` |Samples >>> http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/samp.html | >>> ` |Patches >>> http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/pat.html | >>> ` |Videos >>> http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/video.html | >>> >>> ` |Scores >>> http://www.xs4all.nl/~schreck/html/scores.html | >>> >>> >>> *===========================================================++ >>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> . . >>> ..................................................................... >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Patrick Pagano,M.F.A >> Digital Media Specialist >> Digital Worlds Institute >> University Of Florida >> (352) 294-2082 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list(a)iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > Patrick Pagano,M.F.A Digital Media Specialist Digital Worlds Institute University Of Florida (352) 294-2082

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message queue
by B. Bogart 03 Dec '05

03 Dec '05

Hello all, I've been banging my head over solving certain particular kinds of problems in PD and am hoping someone else has found better solutions. The first example is my camera-control patch. All it does is send serial messages over comport to the camera. The problem I'm having is sending the messages too fast and the serial port getting confused. What I really want is not to limit the number of messages (neccesarily) but limit the rate at which they get sent to comport. Here is a more concrete example: There are two commands I'm using in tandem, "zoom" and "pantilt". Each is a seperate command for the camera. I want to be able to move the camera using both these commands simultaneously. (well actually interlaced). I get a ACK from the camera when one command is complete, but since I'm sending a zoom and pantilt very close together I can't know which ACK goes with which command. What seems to be a good solution to these problems would be a message queue. In the camera example for each command the camera gets, the queue stops sending new commands until we get the ACK, then sends the next command. If you send too many commands too fast, they they just get buffered. The queue tells you how full the buffer so you could send commands less slowly. The problem I'm trying to solve currently is comparing certain items of a list, and if they match the pattern (float's within a certain range) then output the list, otherwise throw it away. The difficulty has been dealing with the timing and unpacking/packing with so many messages flying through, easy enough to do a comparison of some elements, but how to keep the list in the [lister] in sync with the items being compared with a constant flow of messages is challanging, at least for me. If anyone has any ideas or abstractions along theses lines please let me know! otherwise I guess I have to make some kind of spigot-hell lockstep message processor... but of course using spigots means losing messages. Thanks all. b.

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3d modulation sources for Synthesis
by day 5 03 Dec '05

03 Dec '05

HI puredata-san, at present time are there any ports of this http://selectparks.net/archive/q3apd.htm for OSes other than Linux ??????????????????... ... such as OS X or Yves Degoyon's favorite, Microsoft Windose 95/98/98SE/2000/ME/XP/WFW 3.11 !!!!!1 How could such an idea be implemented using other game engines or even just GEM ¿?¿? curiously yours, ./d5 ^__^

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still cnv-edit (last one?)
by João Miguel Pais 02 Dec '05

02 Dec '05

ok, I don't think of anything else that might be added. If there's a will to make these abstractions current, I guess they should be elegantly made, so that they can last long (and don't require changes/maintenance). since a few days ago I changed: - name is shorter, $-ed (cnv-ed) - inlet to receive control messages (if anyone might need it and for some strange reason wants to send it through here instead of directly) - outlet to send a copy of the messages (maybe if someone wants to control 10 objects with it, can connect directly with several sends) - pd defaults incorporated into patch - no more send symbol (actually the canvas is the only one that uses it, right?). no need to redefine symbols to get position, everything is automatic - thanks Frank B, no more creation of objects, everything is with messages (no dirty patch) To make the same question different: if there are no more suggestions, I will start the mass production, that is, adapt it to the other guiobjs. (maybe also to some external guiobjs, why not? Knob isn't that popular besides loved by some). It's not a speak now or never thing, but more speak-now-and-get-it-done-or-speak-later-and-it-'-ll-take-much-longer one. greets, Joao -- Lugostr. 14 79100 Freiburg i. Br. Deutschland +49 (0)761 7074997 jmmmp(a)arcor.de

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[Gem] Alpha: transparency only in one direction?
by Roman Haefeli 01 Dec '05

01 Dec '05

hi during fooling around with alpha-channel i realized, that transparency works only in one direction. i don't know much about opengl, but could it be that it is an issue of my gfx-card (ati mobility radeon 9600)? it seems that when an object (e.g. a rectangle), that is processed AFTER another object is placed (from Gem-perspective) in front of this first processed object, it gets transparent with alpha-values < 1. but when you rotate the whole thing (180 degree), you have the first processed object in front of the second processed object and the obj in front is darker, but not transparent. the attached patch may explains better what i am trying to say. is there a way to get transparency in all directions? roman

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GEM:discribe position of model with 2 points
by Falk Grieffenhagen.de 01 Dec '05

01 Dec '05

Hi list, I currently have a little math problem: I have a wavefront model (see below) which looks a bit like a stick. I want to set the position by 2 points in 3D (beginning and end) instead of one point, rotation , and scale. Any help would be great!! Thanks Falk I put a testpatch and the model below: #N canvas 59 34 867 633 10; #X obj 109 300 model; #X obj 4 260 openpanel; #X obj 1 233 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X msg 21 285 open \$1; #X obj 57 87 gemhead; #X obj 56 146 rotateXYZ; #X floatatom 70 119 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 110 127 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 154 127 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 62 194 translateXYZ; #X floatatom 87 172 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 128 171 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 168 173 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 425 319 sphere 0.05; #X obj 423 253 gemhead; #X obj 425 296 translateXYZ; #X floatatom 450 274 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 491 273 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 530 274 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 109 232 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 154 232 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 91 261 scaleXYZ 10 10 10; #X floatatom 207 238 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 414 410 sphere 0.05; #X obj 412 344 gemhead; #X obj 414 387 translateXYZ; #X floatatom 439 365 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 480 364 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 519 365 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X msg 234 63 create \, reset \, lighting 1 \, 1; #X obj 297 146 gemwin; #X msg 448 61 destroy; #X obj 525 37 gemhead; #X obj 525 75 world_light; #X obj 381 36 sel 1; #X obj 234 31 loadbang; #X obj 379 6 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1 1 1 ; #X connect 1 0 3 0; #X connect 2 0 1 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 9 0; #X connect 6 0 5 1; #X connect 7 0 5 2; #X connect 8 0 5 3; #X connect 9 0 21 0; #X connect 10 0 9 1; #X connect 11 0 9 2; #X connect 12 0 9 3; #X connect 14 0 15 0; #X connect 15 0 13 0; #X connect 16 0 15 1; #X connect 17 0 15 2; #X connect 18 0 15 3; #X connect 19 0 21 1; #X connect 20 0 21 2; #X connect 21 0 0 0; #X connect 22 0 21 3; #X connect 24 0 25 0; #X connect 25 0 23 0; #X connect 26 0 25 1; #X connect 27 0 25 2; #X connect 28 0 25 3; #X connect 29 0 30 0; #X connect 31 0 30 0; #X connect 32 0 33 0; #X connect 34 0 29 0; #X connect 34 1 31 0; #X connect 35 0 29 0; #X connect 36 0 34 0; 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Pd-0.38.4-extended-RC5 released
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 01 Dec '05

01 Dec '05

Windows and Mac OS X uploaded, Linux on the way: http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html Lots of bugs fixed, lots of new stuff, including GrIPD (Windows), and pixelTANGO. .hc ________________________________________________________________________ ____ There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste

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midi prefs
by timon 01 Dec '05

01 Dec '05

Hi, Im networking 3 macs using the wireless midi in OSX Midi setup. Im wondering if there is any way to save the midi preferences in PD so that I wont have to manually select the midi device every time i launch the PD app. Clues? Thanks, Timon.

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