Pd-list May 2004

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strange plugin~ behavior
by nolv 18 May '04

18 May '04

Dear list, After creating a ladspa plugin~ object, e.g. [plugin~ lpf], the input and output ports seem to be correct, but i get a console message like this : bad screen distance "179,000000" Then, all characters in the window disapear. It seems impossible to have them back. Any new object i put on the patch has the same behavior. And it is the same for any new window i create. The only solution is to quit pd and restart again not use plugin~. I used Mandrake 9.2 and 10.0 with tcl 8.4. pd 0.37.1. I tried plugin version 0.1, 0.2, both source and rpm. I also tried the patch from the sooper looper site. Thanks in advance, Olivier

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GRID and compiling issues
by yasmin ahmad 18 May '04

18 May '04

Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has compiled the latest GRID on windows? I have been trying to compile externals and have been having an exceedingly hard time with some of them. I'm using PD on XP and MS VC++ 6.0. I realize this question has been asked many times so I've tried just about every suggestion posted with limited success. I am able to compile the example from doc/6.externs, I can also compile iemlib but when I try maxlib, zexy or flext I keep getting errors - usually due to m_imp.h . Has anyone else had these problems? I'm fairly new to C++ so I guess that doesn't help either. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since I really can't start writing externals until I can compile existing ones! Thanks, Yasmin -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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digidesign osx core audio driver
by Ian Stevenson 18 May '04

18 May '04

Apologies if I'm covering old ground. Apart from installing Jack, is there a way to use pd with the digidesign coreaudio driver on OS X? Pd -listdev does not show the digi driver. The Digidesign Coreaudio Setup Util does not show pd when added but reports that pd is already added. Any help appreciated, Ian.S.

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Re: [PD] Setting the sample rate
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 18 May '04

18 May '04

You would stick in the .bat file that you use to launch Pd. From the FAQ: http://pure-data.iem.at/docs/faq/#WhatDoIUseOnWindows .hc On May 17, 2004, at 6:48 AM, Al Riley wrote: > Sorry, I've had confusion over adding tag lines > before. Please could you explain how and where I make > the changes. I am using windows xp. > > Thanks > > Al > > --- Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org> wrote: > >> You need to add the command line tag -r 44100 or >> whatever. If you are >> on Windows, you would add that to your .bat batch >> file. Otherwise, you >> would stick it in your .pdrc. >> >> .hc >> >> On May 16, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Al Riley wrote: >> >>> Hopefully a there's a simple answer to this one... >>> >>> When I open PD, it overrides my sound card sample >> rate >>> and sets it at 22050 Hz. Ideally i'd be working at >>> 44100 Hz or higher. When I try to set it to >> another >>> value from Audio Settings in PD it has no effect >> on >>> the sample rate in my sound card interface. >>> >>> I only noticed the problem when I heard unexpected >>> aliasing in an additive patch I'm working on. >>> >>> Just in case it helps, my soundcard is a terratec >> DMX >>> 6fire. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ____________________________________________________________ >>> Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" >>> your friends today! Download Messenger Now >>> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PD-list mailing list >>> PD-list(a)iem.at >>> to manage your subscription (including >> un-subscription) see >>> http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ >> >> ____ >> >> "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible >> than all others of >> exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking >> power called an >> idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as >> long as he keeps >> it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it >> forces itself into the >> possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot >> dispossess himself of >> it." >> >> >> - Thomas Jefferson >> > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > ________________________________________________________________________ ____ "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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[vcf~] and [biquad~] filters
by julien.breval＠tremplin-utc.net 18 May '04

18 May '04

Hello In June I will participate to a concert in which we all have to use Max/MSP. Therefore I am currently porting some of my Pd patches to MSP, and I have some problems with bandpass filtering. In Pd, I use [vcf~]. I don't find any MSP filter that has a similar sound. With MSP filters like [svf~], [filtergraph] or [reson~], if you raise Q, you can still hear lots of frequencies that are only more or less attenuated. With [vcf~] some frequencies can disappear if you raise Q (actually, they are very much attenuated so you don't hear them). I prefer this sound. The right solution sould be to use [biquad~]. MSP-[biquad~] looks like Pd- [biquad~] with some arguments inversed. Unfortunately, besides a paper from Harmony Central I didn't find much information on it. Do you know any documentation about biquad filters ? How do you make the simplest (linear) bandpass filter using [biquad~] (parameters should be F and Q) ? I don't find any working conversion algorithm from (F,Q) to (bb1, bb2, ff1, ff2, ff3). I need something that resembles a '^' rather than a -90°rotated-'{', for any (Q,F) parameters :) Thanks a lot j

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Re: [PD] GRID and compiling issues
by yasmin ahmad 18 May '04

18 May '04

"grid" works in gcc (included in mingw/msys installer from www.mingw.org). in general gcc does a much better job of building open source software, pd externals included, than microsofts compiler, since many if not most active developers tend to prefer linux as their OS..in an ideal case all you should have to do is use the linux makefile, change "pd_linux" to "dll" and add an explicit path to pd.dll in the LDFLAGS.. there is a mingw-aware makefile for grid in cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/externals/unaothorized . assuming you want to build the entire unaothorized collection i'd just amke a 'tmp' dir and move the folders that do not build into it, unless you feel like porting the networking stuff used etc.. at the very least the following will work: audience~ disto~ grid samplebox~ stksitar~ wahwah~ beatify~ formant~ spigot~ compressor~ gem2pdp pianoroll stkdrone~ > > Sorry to bother you again but I am absolutely clueless about mingw. Where do I put LDFLAGS & how should I be writing the path to pd.dll? I included what should in theory be the correct makefile (edited as you suggested) for the "grid" external (the only one I really want to use at the moment) but missing the pd.dll reference. Thanks Yasmin. _______________________________________________________ pd_linux: $(NAME).dll .SUFFIXES: .dll LINUXCFLAGS = -DPD -DUNIX -DICECAST -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer \ -Wall -W -Wno-shadow -Wstrict-prototypes \ -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch #-Werror LINUXINCLUDE = -I../../src .c.pd_linux: ./tk2c.bash < $*.tk > $*.tk2c cc $(LINUXCFLAGS) $(LINUXINCLUDE) -o $*.o -c $*.c ld -export_dynamic -shared -o $*.dll $*.o -lc -lm strip --strip-unneeded $*.dll rm -f $*.o ../$*.dll ln -s $*/$*.dll .. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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osc + mac
by joseph moore 18 May '04

18 May '04

Do the PD OSC objects exist for Mac? No seems to be the answer but I just wanted to make sure ; ) best, Joe _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Re: [PD-announce] mole - a forth for pd
by guenter geiger 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hey, thats really cool. I have been trying to do this for years, but have failed constantly. First I tried gforth directly, but I had to change the sources to offer a clean embedding API, which was ugly. Then I used the atlast framework, which worked nicely but it was too slow ... The I got addicted to performance improvements ... And I probably never got the hang of forth after all :) Anyhow, great that there is a small and native solution now. Guenter On Mon, 17 May 2004, Tom Schouten wrote: > > hi all, > > i have to confess.. > > i sort of got stuck in a loop sounding like 'rewrite pdp.. rewrite pdp..' > this has been going on for months and while my shrink says it's bound to > be transient i think there's something wrong. i suspect i have a meme > infection going by the name of 'forth'. > > so.. > > for all of you die-hards, and the curious soul interested in a voyage to > the land of conciseness, i present 'mole', the one and only forth for pd. > > grab it at http://zwizwa.fartit.com/pd/mole/ > > > tom > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-announce mailing list > PD-announce(a)iem.at > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-announce >

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RE: [pd] externals on linux?
by Matthew Allen 17 May '04

17 May '04

Did you load the zexy lib in your command line or put it in your .pdrc? > -----Original Message----- > From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at] On Behalf Of > Bradon Webb > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:21 AM > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Subject: [pd] externals on linux? > > I have tried to install Zexy through apts from CCRMA > and am having trouble getting Pd to create these > objects. They show up in my docs/reference folder, > but when I try to create say [list2symbol] I get: > > <################################### > list2symbol > ... couldn't create > ###################################> > > this seems to happen with all newly installed > externals. Maybe I do not have them installed > correctly? > > i type: > "apt-get install zexy" > > and it does it's thing, and says new packages are > installed. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.at > to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > _________________________________________________ > Scanned on 17 May 2004 17:32:46 > Scanning by http://erado.com _________________________________________________ Scanned on 17 May 2004 18:03:11 Scanning by http://erado.com

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Re: [PD-announce] mole - a forth for pd
by Frank Barknecht 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hallo, Tom Schouten hat gesagt: // Tom Schouten wrote: > i present 'mole', the one and only forth for pd. Well, I'm speech- and breathless. Not quite, though: It won't load, but will segfault Pd, when started as "-lib mole". Pd's last words are: booting main forth Consistency check failed: canvas_getenv pd_gui: pd process exited A quick gdb backtracks (without symbols compiled in) hows this (excerpt): #0 0x080561ef in canvas_getdir () #1 0x08226518 in ?? () #2 0x0809fe17 in binbuf_new () #3 0x00000000 in ?? () #4 0x00000000 in ?? () #5 0x40436cc0 in interpreter () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #6 0x4042ca60 in init_pool () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #7 0x00000000 in ?? () #8 0x404315e0 in ?? () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #9 0x40431a5c in ?? () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #10 0x4042ca1e in init_pool () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #11 0x6e72656b in ?? () #12 0x6d2e6c65 in ?? () #13 0x00656c6f in ?? () #14 0x08098e0e in dogensym () #15 0x404318b3 in ?? () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #16 0x00000007 in ?? () #17 0x40437770 in global_forth () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #18 0x08226518 in ?? () #19 0xbfffc2f0 in ?? () #20 0xbfffc2f0 in ?? () #21 0x40432cc0 in interpreter () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #22 0x40436d00 in interpreter () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #23 0x40437780 in global_forth () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #24 0x40436d00 in interpreter () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #25 0x40430d16 in mole_setup () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #26 0x08225438 in ?? () #27 0x08225468 in ?? () #28 0x08098e67 in dogensym () #29 0x40431663 in ?? () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #30 0x0822ca10 in ?? () #31 0x40436e40 in global_forth () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #32 0x00000000 in ?? () #33 0x40436d00 in interpreter () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #34 0x000003be in ?? () #35 0x40436d00 in interpreter () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux #36 0xbfffcbb0 in ?? () #37 0x9a8ca0ff in ?? () #38 0x000003be in ?? () #39 0x4042d01c in mole_setup () from /tmp/moledir/mole-0.1/mole.pd_linux Any ideas? Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__

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