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Fw: [linux-audio-dev] [Fwd: Graphical dataflow programs violate patents]
by Tim Blechmann 17 Dec '04

17 Dec '04

i thought this might be of interest: Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:59:16 +0100 From: Xavier Amatriain <xamat(a)iua.upf.es> To: "The Linux Audio Developers' Mailing List" <linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu> Subject: [linux-audio-dev] [Fwd: Graphical dataflow programs violate patents] -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Xavier Amatriain <xamat(a)iua.upf.es> > To: iua-mtg(a)iua.upf.es > Subject: Graphical dataflow programs violate patents > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:57:56 +0100 > > I read that National Circuits sued and won a case against Mathworks > for their Simulink product infringing a number of paterns (September > this year). > > According to a summary of the claims (which you can read here > http://cafc.bna.com/03-1540.pdf): the dispute was about the term "data > flow diagrams" (which are interpreted) as a graphical computer program > whose execution follows a set of semantic or operational rules as > follows: > > 1. The order of the operations is not completely specified by the user > 2. The order of operations is implied by data interdependencies > 3. a node may only execute after all its inputs have become available, > and, > 4. outputs are generated after a node completes execution > > It turns out that most graphical audio programs such as Max, Pd, OSW > or CLAM's Network Editor may be infringing these patents. Luckily this > is still not valid in Europe and we hope will never be. > > Read more about this story at: > > http://patentlaw.typepad.com/patent/2004/09/federal_circuit.html > http://digital.ni.com/worldwide/bwcontent.nsf/web/all/03B9A7C68030C42D86256… > http://www.mathworks.com/company/pressroom/articles/article7951.html > http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/16801 -- /********************************** ********* Xavier Amatriain ******** ****** Music Technology Group ***** ** IUA- Universitat Pompeu Fabra ** ****** www.iua.upf.es/~xamat ****** ***********************************/ -- mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say "I want to see the manager." William S. Burroughs

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how to keep and reuse a string?
by Andrei R. Thomaz 17 Dec '04

17 Dec '04

hello list, I want to make a kind of slide show, where the user can choose the images from the hard disk. But I cann't use the filename more than once to send the open message. the problem is that I have this structure: openfiledialog -> open $1 0> pix_image and I need to send a bang message to the open to send it to pix_image. But how can I do that without opening the dialog again? thank you, andrei -- RGB Design Digital www.rgbdesigndigital.com.br andreithomaz(a)bol.com.br / andrei(a)rgbdesigndigital.com.br / (51) 92067436 #N canvas 469 25 508 566 10; #X obj 51 161 gemwin; #X msg 53 37 create; #X msg 61 63 destroy; #X msg 104 96 1; #X msg 103 120 0; #X obj 222 -108 gemhead; #X obj 218 332 pix_texture; #X obj 218 413 translateXYZ 2 0 0; #X obj 340 384 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 306 359 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 270 385 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 -2 256; #X obj 302 464 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 265 443 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 236 467 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 218 494 rotateXYZ; #X msg 64 211 lighting 1; #X msg 123 153 lighting 0; #X obj 220 114 pix_image; #X obj 218 534 square; #X obj 220 235 pix_mask; #X obj 268 153 gemhead 20; #X obj 325 -55 openpanel; #X obj 323 -80 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 218 283 alpha; #X obj 268 205 pix_image mascara_circuloi.jpg; #X obj 768 13 gemhead; #X obj 767 334 pix_texture; #X obj 767 415 translateXYZ 2 0 0; #X obj 889 386 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 855 361 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 819 387 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 851 466 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 814 445 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 785 469 nbx 5 14 -1e+37 1e+37 0 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 767 496 rotateXYZ; #X obj 848 46 openpanel; #X obj 848 21 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X msg 846 72 open \$1; #X obj 769 116 pix_image; #X obj 767 536 square; #X obj 769 237 pix_mask; #X obj 817 155 gemhead 20; #X obj 767 285 alpha; #X obj 817 207 pix_image mascara_circuloi.jpg; #X obj 449 -59 openpanel; #X obj 447 -84 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 554 -58 openpanel; #X obj 552 -83 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 321 -160 select 0 1 2; #X obj 321 -200 random 3; #X obj 322 -233 metro 250; #X msg 302 -272 0; #X msg 352 -267 1; #X obj 403 -113 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 363 -112 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 294 -117 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 536 13 pack open sarquivo; #X msg 259 -1 open \$1; #X obj 373 -1 pack open arqvuivo; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 0 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 4 0 0 0; #X connect 5 0 17 0; #X connect 6 0 7 0; #X connect 7 0 14 0; #X connect 8 0 7 3; #X connect 9 0 7 2; #X connect 10 0 7 1; #X connect 11 0 14 3; #X connect 12 0 14 2; #X connect 13 0 14 1; #X connect 14 0 18 0; #X connect 15 0 0 0; #X connect 16 0 0 0; #X connect 17 0 19 0; #X connect 19 0 23 0; #X connect 20 0 24 0; #X connect 21 0 57 0; #X connect 22 0 21 0; #X connect 23 0 6 0; #X connect 24 0 19 1; #X connect 25 0 38 0; #X connect 26 0 27 0; #X connect 27 0 34 0; #X connect 28 0 27 3; #X connect 29 0 27 2; #X connect 30 0 27 1; #X connect 31 0 34 3; #X connect 32 0 34 2; #X connect 33 0 34 1; #X connect 34 0 39 0; #X connect 35 0 37 0; #X connect 36 0 35 0; #X connect 37 0 38 0; #X connect 38 0 40 0; #X connect 40 0 42 0; #X connect 41 0 43 0; #X connect 42 0 26 0; #X connect 43 0 40 1; #X connect 44 0 58 1; #X connect 45 0 44 0; #X connect 46 0 56 1; #X connect 47 0 46 0; #X connect 48 0 55 0; #X connect 48 1 54 0; #X connect 48 2 53 0; #X connect 49 0 48 0; #X connect 50 0 49 0; #X connect 51 0 50 0; #X connect 52 0 50 0; #X connect 53 0 56 0; #X connect 54 0 58 0; #X connect 55 0 57 0; #X connect 56 0 17 0; #X connect 57 0 17 0; #X connect 58 0 17 0;

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[segfault] bug or feature?
by Federico 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

using pd-0.38test13, take this patch: http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/Pd/pdpatches/sinesum.pd if you move numbers with 'compute audio' turned off, everything it's ok. but if you move the first number (first harmonic) while processing audio, you (should) get a seg_fault: #0 0x080a03e7 in sys_queuegui (client=0x8205aa8, glist=0x82085c8, #f=0x82085c8) at s_inter.c:753 #1 0x08064940 in garray_redraw (x=0x8205aa8) at g_array.c:813 #2 0x080e80d8 in template_float_vec () #3 0x080e879c in s_x () #4 0x00000203 in ?? () #5 0x08067c0c in garray_dofo (x=0xc, npoints=1, dcval=6.72623263e-44, nsin=136338088, vsin=0x8218968, sineflag=512) at g_array.c:934 #6 0x402960b0 in __after_morecore_hook () from /lib/libc.so.6 #7 0x00000018 in ?? () #8 0x402960a0 in __after_morecore_hook () from /lib/libc.so.6 #9 0x4012328e in sem_timedwait () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) (gdb) watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... it is a normal behavior, or a bug? Federico

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N.vitation for participation: this saturday @ maribor,SI
by Luka Princic 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

hi all pd-ers! here's little something going on _this saturday_ at maribor (slovenia), which is reeaally close to graz (at). wi-fi + pd combo, anyone that would like to have some fun is really really welcome to come and make some noise out of wi-fi signal-strength conversions! in fact, we would be soooo happy if somebody from graz would be ready to jump over the [dissapearing] border and join in, uhum! ;] ok, read on: ps: and sorry if this a bit OT and on short-notice. this saturday, 18/12/04 from 19:00 till dawn @ MMC KIBLA, maribor, SI _______________________________________________________________________ OPEN INVITATION - CALL FOR SOUNDISTS RICHAIR2030 invites Maribor's PD patchable soundists for a night of sharing garlic richair and public wifi signals. RICHAIR2030 tours with their homemade wlan-wifi packed Lunchboxes. The lunchbox reads, codes and transmits Available public access wifi signal noise. Freely and Fairly distributed among participating soundists, the signal noise is further booted, boasted and blasted, uplifting us to CRASH2004, TOTALEMENT. OPEN INVITATION - CALL FOR ROLLER GIRLS \RICHAIR2030 calls for roller girls (and boys) of Maribor Rising from the ashes on the night of the crash, the roller girls carry rich air lunchboxes for a spin on the sound floor. OPEN INVITATION - CALL FOR GARLIC AFTER THE CRASH, SELL THE GARLIC. An open sauce garlic pasta noise party by you and for you. richair for yourself, richair for your neighbors, richair for the New Europe. http://richair.waag.org/maribor/ http://www.kibla.org/_new/program/2004/12_richair.php ll. -- ++ no-org!sonicartitecture ++ 8E52 EBF8 D143 3C8B 4353 DA79 96EE 0CD0 28F1 A432 All movements go too far. -- Bertrand Russell

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default abstraction argument(s)
by Federico 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

my abstraction accepts two creation parameters ($1, $2). i want to make $2 optional, but it should default to value 1 if $2 was omitted. i tried in this way: [loadbang] | [trigger bang bang] | | [$2 ] [1 ] | / | / [float ] but if i omit $2, the float's value is 0 and not 1. how to test if a creation parameter was specified? pd doesn't provide a kinda of null-value? -- Federico

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[hid] toolkit release 0.4
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

I still call it alpha since there are unimplemented features, but its getting quite usable on MacOS X. It should be quite stable on GNU/Linux. http://at.or.at/hans/pd/hid.html Feedback is always appreciated. .hc ________________________________________________________________________ ____ "[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity." -John Gilmore

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why geos dissapear?
by pun chik 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

hi, list, i have a question about gem ...if i create a geo and move it away (translateXYZ) from the screen (in axis z )the geo becomes smaller but then suddenly the geo dissapear. why is that? im trying to do complex structures in gem with lots of geos, and its annyoing that the geos that are far away from the screen became invisible. Is there any way of avoiding this? any hint would be nice thanx punchik #N canvas 379 165 606 506 10; #X obj 27 337 gemwin; #X msg 59 120 create; #X obj 174 285 gemhead; #X msg 65 147 destroy; #X msg 87 217 1; #X msg 85 256 0; #X obj 236 385 translateXYZ; #X floatatom 296 145 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 288 462 square 5; #X text 267 130 play with this \, at -17 the square dissapear; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 6 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 4 0 0 0; #X connect 5 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 7 0 6 3; -- pun chik punchik(a)fastmail.fm

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Re: [PD-dev] PD patches in XML
by Martin Peach 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

oops... my example should read: <obj ID="obj1">print </obj> <obj ID="obj2">numberbox </obj> ... <connect ID="connect1"> <from ID="obj1" outlet="0"/> <to ID="obj2" inlet="0"/> </connect> ...

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[dev] building Gem on Fedora 1/ CCRMA
by Michael Berkowski 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

Greetings List, I'm seeking advice on building Gem-0.90 from gem.iem.at for a Fedora 1 PlanetCCRMA system. I had been running 0.888-pre1 from planetccrma, but gettings frequent segfaults when turning off rendering. For auxlibs, I get: [mjb@Galactic_AC GemLibs]$ ./makeauxlibs ./makeauxlibs: line 5: test: =: unary operator expected Building Auxilliary Libraries ============================= BUILDING LIBORB make: Nothing to be done for `all'. BUILDING PARTICLE make: Nothing to be done for `lib'. BUILDING GLM cc -Dlinux -D__i386__ -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_XOPEN_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO -I. -c -o glm.o glm.c ar clq libglm.a glm.o Finished building Auxilliary Libraries ====================================== --------------------------------------------------------------- And the configure script: [mjb@Galactic_AC Gnu]$ ./configure creating cache ./config.cache HEAD: /usr/include /usr/local/include ../../../GemLibs/ LIBS: ../../../GemLibs/ /usr/local/lib /usr/local/src /usr/lib checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu Configuring for Gem.pd_linux checking for gnu make... yes checking for c++... c++ checking whether the C++ compiler (c++ ) works... yes checking whether the C++ compiler (c++ ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C++... yes checking whether c++ accepts -g... yes checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes checking for sh... sh checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for X... libraries /usr/X11R6/lib, headers /usr/X11R6/include checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... no checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... no checking for gethostbyname... yes checking for connect... yes checking for remove... yes checking for shmat... yes checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes checking for MMX... checking MMX found... Building Auxilliary Libraries ============================= Finished building Auxilliary Libraries ====================================== checking for main in -lX11... yes checking for main in -lXext... yes checking for XF86VidModeGetAllModeLines in -lXxf86vm... yes checking for sin in -lm... no checking for main in -lz... no checking for glInitNames in -lGL... no checking for glInitNames in -lMesaGL... no OpenGL is mandatory I've made sure glut is up to date, and installed the XFree86 sdk for good measure, but to no avail. I found an earlier thread in which the proposed solution had been to install glut-devel, but I didn't find the followup to know if this actually worked. I did it anyway. To verify Mesa and GLUT: [mjb@Galactic_AC mjb]$ rpm -qa | grep Mesa XFree86-Mesa-libGL-4.3.0-55 XFree86-Mesa-libGLU-4.3.0-55 [mjb@Galactic_AC mjb]$ rpm -qa | grep glut freeglut-1.3-1.20020125.3 glut-3.7-12.lvn.1.1 glut-devel-3.7-12.lvn.1.1 System specs: 2.4.26-1.ll.rhfc1.ccrmasmp dual AMD opteron gcc 3.2.3 video: nvidia FX5700 I would truly appreciate any advice. I'm still too much a novice to edit configure scripts myself (or to move away from Fedora, for that matter). I get the list as a digest so please CC me on replies. Thanks very much, Michael Berkowski michael(a)berkowski.net http://www.berkowski.net/

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Gypsy mo-cap with PD
by Jamie Bullock 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

Dear list, Has anyone used the Gypsy4 motion capture system (http://www.animazoo.com/products/gypsy4.htm) with PD? It outputs over UDP - does anyone have a decoder extern/patch they would be willing to share, or any thoughts/advice? Thanks, Jamie

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