Pd-list October 2004

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a simple recording/looping solution ?
by stephane 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Hi, The following question have, I think, a great importance for a lot of people, and I never see an helping answer. In the desire to present correctly the problem, I'll do it in French. If someone feel to translate, welcome ! Depuis plusieurs semaines, je cherche une solution pour constituer un simple patch de type "looping station". Le problème est soulevé régulièrement, mais il manque cruellement de réponses. Sur cette même liste : http://iem.at/mailinglists/pd-list/2004-04/019049.html , quelqu'un pose déja la question. J'entend par "looping station", un patch capable d'enregistrer un échantillon sonore (d'une durée indeterminée au moment de l'enregistrement) en provenance de l' entrée d'une carte son et de le jouer en boucle à l'instant même ou l'enregistrement s'arrête. La finalité d'un tel outil serait d'arriver au moins à l'emulation de materiel tel que le jamman de lexicon, ou l'echoplex d'oberheim, sans pourtant souffrir de leurs limitations intrinsèques. Je sais qu'il existe des solutions déjà performantes, tel que le patch pd "jamma" ou encore "sooperlooper", pourtant, si la réalisation d'un patch didactique très simple était possible, je crois que ce dernier comblerait bon nombre d'utilisateurs de Pure Data. Merci par avance de vos réponses, .sr

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Re: [PD] PDContainers alpha release - win binary
by Georg Holzmann 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Hallo! Okay, I've just made a makefile for windows (MinGW - in CVS now). The new binary is again on puredata.org/Members/holzi ! LG Georg -- Geschenkt: 3 Monate GMX ProMail + 3 Ausgaben der TV Movie mit DVD ++++ Jetzt anmelden und testen http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail ++++

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Re: error: DSP loop detected (some tilde objects not scheduled)
by julien.breval＠tremplin-utc.net 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Hello I bring back these two posts from April 2004 by Derek Holzer derek(a)x-i.net wrote : --- I'm trying to build a patch which allows the order of a signalprocessing chain to be rearanged... for example, to put the delay either before or after the reverb. Thre problem is that when I conect the outlets and inets of the [pd delay] and th e[pd reverb] that I have created subpatches together, I get the error "DSP loop detected (some tilde objects not scheduled)". I tried putting [*~ 0] objects in the way, or even running the signals through subpatches which can be switched on and off with [block~], but still no dice. I've been very careful to not actually *create* any feedback loops in the patch, as you will see if you look at the example I have attached. Is there any other way of doing this? Or is there something wrong with my logic? --- Actually, I got the same problem, while programming a delay line network (each delay line is connected to all others via a feedback amount control). I did what both Derek and the Pd documentation suggested : derek holzer derek(a)x-i.net wrote : --- I was warm here, but not hot. The key was to use [send~] and [receive~] pairs, and somehow this keeps PD from discovering any DSP loops. --- Pd documentation : --- The audio network, that is, the tilde objects and their interconnections, must be acyclic. If there are loops, you will see the error message at "sort time." When errors are reported at sort time there is no easy way to find the source of the error. You can build algorithms with feedback using nonlocal signal connections. --- There's something I don't understand very well, though all this works correctly. If I make a simple delay line with feedback control (ie [delread~], [vd~] and [*~]), even if I connect directly the objects (no [s~]/[r~]), there's no audio DSP loop error detection. But if I program the same patch, using subpatches with [inlet~] and [outlet~], I get the DSP loop error in the console. This error, of course, is solved by using [s~]/[r~] instead of [inlet~]/[outlet~]. So is it normal or not ? According to the documentation, I shouldn't be able to make a local feedback loop, but it works and I don't get the error ... unless there's a subpatch involved in this. Thanks for your help. -j

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Re: [PlanetCCRMA] problem compiling k_vst~ external
by Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, rob canning wrote: > hi list, > i am running a fedora core 2 planetccrma box and am having problems compiling k_vst~ > i have included a edited output from my make command below: > anyone have any idea why this is happening? > thanks, > rob > root@localhost k_vst~]# make > cc -DPD -DUNIX -DICECAST -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -W -Wno-shadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch > -I../../src -I../../vstserver/include -I/site/include/wine -c k_vst~.c > -I../include -DPLUGIN_TILDE_USE_VST -DPLUGIN_DEBUG > -DPLUGIN_TILDE_VERBOSE > In file included from k_vst~.c:46: > config.h:52:1: warning: "PLUGIN_TILDE_VERBOSE" redefined > <command line>:9:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > In file included from k_vst~.c:53: > plugin~.h:73:25: vst/AEffect.h: No such file or directory The compiler can't find the vst header files. When making the vstserver, the vst header-files is copied to /usr/include/ by default. Try replacing -I../../vstserver/include with -I/usr/local/include in the Makefile for k_vst~. --

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Re: [PD-announce] pixelTANGO workshop in Barcelona
by guenter geiger 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

I was there. Couldn't find it. No one knew about it - at the mercat they only knew about a press round. Maybe this happened to others too. Guenter (I admit I was late, because it started raining and I had to change my choice of vehicle) On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, B. Bogart wrote: > Hey all, > > It seems no one showed up (not a single person) to the pixelTANGO workshop > that was supposed to be today @ Mercat de les Flors. We're negotiating > with Art Futura to move it to another day (if there is a space) during the > conference. > > Anyhow for those visual artists and PDers Gemers etc.. in Barcelona email > me to say hello or you can reach me at +34 93-390-40-43 (I hope you can > leave mesages as well!) > > I'll announce the date when we get one. > > Thanks > Ben > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-announce mailing list > PD-announce(a)iem.at > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-announce >

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problem compiling k_vst~ external
by rob canning 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

hi list, i am running a fedora core 2 planetccrma box and am having problems compiling k_vst~ i have included a edited output from my make command below: anyone have any idea why this is happening? thanks, rob root@localhost k_vst~]# make cc -DPD -DUNIX -DICECAST -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -W -Wno-shadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -I../../src -I../../vstserver/include -I/site/include/wine -c k_vst~.c -I../include -DPLUGIN_TILDE_USE_VST -DPLUGIN_DEBUG -DPLUGIN_TILDE_VERBOSE In file included from k_vst~.c:46: config.h:52:1: warning: "PLUGIN_TILDE_VERBOSE" redefined <command line>:9:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from k_vst~.c:53: plugin~.h:73:25: vst/AEffect.h: No such file or directory In file included from k_vst~.c:53: plugin~.h:76: error: syntax error before "AEffect" plugin~.h:76: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union plugin~.h:85: error: syntax error before '}' token plugin~.h:85: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `Plugin_Tilde_Vst' plugin~.h:85: warning: data definition has no type or storage class plugin~.h:102: error: syntax error before "Plugin_Tilde_Vst" plugin~.h:102: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union plugin~.h:102: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union plugin~.h:104: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `plugin' plugin~.h:104: warning: data definition has no type or storage class plugin~.h:121: error: syntax error before '}' token plugin~.h:121: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `Pd_Plugin_Tilde' plugin~.h:121: warning: data definition has no type or storage class plugin~.h:143: error: syntax error before '*' token plugin~.h:143: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype plugin~.h:181: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype In file included from k_vst~.c:55: plugin~_vst.h:35:25: vst/AEffect.h: No such file or directory In file included from k_vst~.c:55: plugin~_vst.h:53: error: syntax error before '*' token plugin~_vst.h:54: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype plugin~_vst.h:55: error: syntax error before '*' token plugin~_vst.h:99: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c:59:26: vst/aeffectx.h: No such file or directory k_vst~.c:82: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:87: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `send_midi_to_plugin': k_vst~.c:88: error: storage size of `das_event' isn't known k_vst~.c:91: error: storage size of `events' isn't known k_vst~.c:93: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type k_vst~.c:93: error: `kVstMidiType' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:93: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once k_vst~.c:93: error: for each function it appears in.) k_vst~.c:111: error: syntax error before ')' token k_vst~.c:113: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:115: error: `effProcessEvents' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c: At top level: k_vst~.c:121: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:126: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `plugin_tilde_ctl': k_vst~.c:127: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:127: error: `ctlchan' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:672: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:676: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `plugin_tilde_open_plugin': k_vst~.c:688: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:688: error: `name' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:688: error: `lib_name' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:688: error: `sample_rate' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c: At top level: k_vst~.c:702: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:703: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `plugin_tilde_close_plugin': k_vst~.c:712: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c: At top level: k_vst~.c:721: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:722: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `plugin_tilde_apply_plugin': k_vst~.c:727: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c: At top level: k_vst~.c:732: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:736: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `plugin_tilde_connect_audio': k_vst~.c:742: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c: At top level: k_vst~.c:748: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:751: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `plugin_tilde_set_control_input_by_name': k_vst~.c:756: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:756: error: `name' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:756: error: `value' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c: At top level: k_vst~.c:761: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:765: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `plugin_tilde_set_control_input_by_index': k_vst~.c:770: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:770: error: `index_' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:770: error: `value' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c: At top level: k_vst~.c:775: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:776: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `plugin_tilde_update_gui': k_vst~.c:781: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c: At top level: k_vst~.c:786: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:788: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `plugin_tilde_program': k_vst~.c:792: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:792: error: `prog_num' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c: At top level: k_vst~.c:797: error: syntax error before '*' token k_vst~.c:799: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype k_vst~.c: In function `plugin_tilde_programname': k_vst~.c:803: error: `progname' undeclared (first use in this function) k_vst~.c:807: error: `x' undeclared (first use in this function) make: *** [k_vst~.pd_linux] Error 1 _________________________________________________________________ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer

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multi O.S. sound set ?
by Lazzaro N. Ciccolella 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Hi all, in order to make one simple polyphonic application, I need a set of sounds for melody (trumpet, flute, clarinet etc.) that play in identical way on linux, win, and macOSX. Initially I had thought to use a set of soundfonts using "fluid" but this external only exists for linux. Which it can be the solution? Exist an external (available for all the three S.O.)that allows me to generate this type of sounds? Apologize if the question is trivial but I have never worked with synthesis inside pd. Many thanks -- Lazzaro

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Hammerfall hdsp midi not working with pd
by thewade 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Hello fairest of lists, I was wondering if anyone could help me to get the midi working on my hammerfall multiface, at least with PD. My laptop\'s description, along with .config file, can be found at: http://www.aproximation.org/application/AMD64laptop.html 2.6.9-rc3-mm3-VP-T3 kernel AMD64 laptop my .pdrc has the line: -mididev 1,2,3 and I get no errors on pd/jack startup about midi, but the mididevices dialog says only [none] as midi options. Thanks for the help! -thewade

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iemlib for 0.38?
by Matthias Blau 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Hi list, does anyone know how to get the iemlib working with pd-0.38 under linux? Thanks, Matthias

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data structures tutorial
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

So I am diving into data structures for a composition project. Anyone know where I can find Frank's lovely data structures tutorials? I can't seem to find them... (it would be very nice for them to be in the CVS, like abstractions/tutorials... ) .hc ________________________________________________________________________ ____ ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!

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