Pd-list October 2004

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Re: Does PD work under windows ME?
by Patrick Valiquet 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

I have installed Pd on my work computer, a crappy 200mhz Pentium mmx running Windows 98, and I use it for jotting things down when I get ideas or debugging patches when I've got nothing else to do. I haven't tried any serious dsp on it... The only object I've found that it doesn't seem to support is [cputime]. It's also _extremely_ slow ;-) I assume anything running ME should have about the same performance (?) > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:37:02 -0700 > From: James Aldridge <maxmaster11(a)comcast.net> > To: pd-list(a)iem.at > Subject: [PD] Does PD work under windows ME? > > Hi, was going to buy an old laptop which is very > small (8" screen) and > was wondering if the windows executable which runs > under XP would also > work under ME. > > Thanks, James ===== ØäPnîáÃ`Ìgx9KlóSÌhŽ9»=®_®œö±ql°<|Pô)ì¹xS@ñìðeúë© Çñ=>²åûMsØh#Õ×k·#Í6ü:ŽkB*÷Ú©¶œöGÎ³ü>u4ÖÿŸÚ÷ç5 À8¡ http://fragm.net/pinothefrog/ @œøÈWÏ±ïÚU€IéÑŒ¹ÑmàÝs è+ý5E)IÐ ÃBâÅ/²@Agºët(eÙÄ¯mè0%íDcWïý_ þ[>¿B±ž _i}ŸËï³5ý_/çËÿ,¿kë¯ŸC`©rÉ? Ä×îõ$2,µðÈd7 ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

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Re: [PD] [hid] object alpha release
by Macciza Macpherson 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

High All, Sounds cool. Will have a look as I would be interested in the OSX version. Currently experimenting with p5 gloves and HID is another possible approach. Cheers Macca On Wednesday, October 20, 2004, at 02:29 PM, pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: > > Message: 7 > To: pd list <pd-list(a)iem.at> > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org> > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:16:10 -0400 > Subject: [PD] [hid] object alpha release > > > --Apple-Mail-1--338513685 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=US-ASCII; > delsp=yes; > format=flowed > > > I just released an alpha test version of the [hid] object I am working > on. I'd love to have any feedback people are willing to offer. I made > it output a 4 part message, instead of using four outlets like > [linuxevent] and it uses symbols instead of numbers to represent event > types and codes. > > Its still GNU/Linux only, but I am working on the MacOS X version... > > http://at.or.at/hans/pd/hid.html > > > > > End of PD-list Digest >

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Re: [PD] Simple PDP mixer patch
by Frank Barknecht 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Hi, Thomas Sivertsen wrote: > So, If I have a send like [s $0-mySend], it will only be sent within the > abstraction? That's nifty. Yes, it is. It's the pd way of saying: "private" or "local". It works like this: $0 gets replaced by a unique number for every *abstraction* (== every patch *file*) it is used in. The next cool thing that you will find out, is that you can do things to this innocent little $0 number. For example you can send it, you can pass it around as abstraction argument and so on, and on the way you can drill little holes into your local space. There are a lot of (dirty) tricks possible with $0. Don't overdo it. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht

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Re: PD-list digest, Vol 1 #1485 - 14 msgs
by Macciza Macpherson 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

HighAll, High Rod, Just a couple of quick thoughts. Maybe leverage OSC's messaging for communications and develop a rich expressive address space for your project ala SC. This also raises the whole question of networks. Pass duties to various machines in a client server relationship each doing there own little bit for the greater good. Just thought I'd throw in my two bobs worth. Cheers, Macciza On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, at 12:11 AM, pd-list-request(a)iem.at wrote: > 2. Managing really big PD projects?? Style guide or best practice > etc? (rodney) > Message: 2 > From: "rodney" <rodney(a)atr.jp> > To: <pd-list(a)iem.at> > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:58:08 +0900 > Subject: [PD] Managing really big PD projects?? Style guide or best > practice etc? > > HI all, > > I have been building a project in pd and lately it has got difficult > to > manage because of the complex web of spagetti all over the place. > > I'd like to hear others' advice on sensible architectures for PD = > projects to > prevent them becoming unweildy and confusing. > > Especially, how you deal with: > - lots of abstractions with multiple instances > - send and receive objects and remembering where they all go to - come > = > from > - identifying where slow-downs occur in big patch networks > - keeping notes of your project in a way that makes sense after not = > looking > at it for a month or two. :) > > I would be keen to collect all these pearls of wisdom into one doc for > = > the > wiki or somewhere, if one does not already exist. > > Cheers, > Rod > > Rodney Berry > ATR Media Information Science Laboratories > Kyoto Japan

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RE: [PD] D*mn it!
by Ryan Supak 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

>Do Tablet PCs support multi-touch (with more >than 1 or 2 fingers?) I'm aware of only two commercially-available multi-touch control surfaces: The Fingerworks products (they have a free, pretty comprehensive SDK as well): www.fingerworks.com The now-defunct MTC express: www.tactex.com. rs

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Does PD work under windows ME?
by James Aldridge 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Hi, was going to buy an old laptop which is very small (8" screen) and was wondering if the windows executable which runs under XP would also work under ME. Thanks, James

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Re: [PD] infinite zoomer feedback
by siggmuss 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

hi Peter and list many thanks for your help and examples, im making some awesome stuff with this!!! well i have a new question... maybe you can help me: the idea of the patch is a camera that travels to weird places, i have a problem with this because if i change the parameters of the translateXYZ , rotateXYZ, it affects the whole structure, and i was wondering if there is any way of affect just the incomming ones. for example i want that when i change those parameters , begin affecting to geos that are far away (not all the structure at the same time) , so all the structucture will change progresively . i have no idea of doing this. any idea would be nice thanks here is the patch! #N canvas 527 96 478 538 12; #X obj 16 40 gemwin; #N canvas 313 511 834 348 init 0; #X obj 45 213 outlet; #X obj 45 80 loadbang; #X msg 45 120 fogmode 1 \, fog 0.5 \, color 0.2 0 0.5 \, fogcolor 0.2 0 0.5 \, lighting 1; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 0 0; #X restore 16 14 pd init; #X obj 38 115 gemhead; #X obj 75 42 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1 1 1 ; #N canvas 836 52 458 308 light 0; #X obj 43 35 gemhead; #X obj 43 75 world_light; #X obj 126 26 loadbang; #X msg 126 51 1 1 0; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 1 1; #X restore 16 69 pd light; #X msg 86 15 create; #X floatatom 67 435 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 38 165 t a b; #X msg 196 231 0; #X obj 177 261 i; #X obj 210 261 + 1; #X obj 38 220 t a b; #X obj 25 318 separator; #X obj 177 296 +; #X obj 251 195 f; #X obj 38 95 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 0 -6 0 8 -262144 -1 -1; #X msg 270 160 0; #X floatatom 622 207 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 553 209 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 37 463 sphere; #X obj 37 364 translateXYZ -4 0 1; #X floatatom 153 500 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 38 192 repeat 90; #N canvas 834 452 466 316 fmod 0; #X obj 67 37 inlet; #X obj 67 211 outlet; #X obj 67 103 % 23; #X obj 118 118 i; #X obj 93 146 -; #X obj 67 182 +; #X obj 67 62 t f f f; #X connect 0 0 6 0; #X connect 2 0 5 0; #X connect 3 0 4 1; #X connect 4 0 5 1; #X connect 5 0 1 0; #X connect 6 0 2 0; #X connect 6 1 4 0; #X connect 6 2 3 0; #X restore 178 324 pd fmod 90; #X obj 284 197 + 0.4; #X floatatom 475 205 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 117 96 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 183 384 loadbang; #X msg 164 425 3; #X obj 16 285 rotateXYZ 8 1 13; #X obj 38 141 translateXYZ -3 2 -20; #X text 504 170 play with this; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 30 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 5 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 19 1; #X connect 7 0 22 0; #X connect 7 1 8 0; #X connect 7 1 14 0; #X connect 8 0 9 1; #X connect 9 0 10 0; #X connect 9 0 13 0; #X connect 10 0 9 1; #X connect 11 0 29 0; #X connect 11 1 9 0; #X connect 12 0 20 0; #X connect 13 0 23 0; #X connect 14 0 13 1; #X connect 14 0 24 0; #X connect 15 0 2 0; #X connect 16 0 14 1; #X connect 17 0 20 1; #X connect 18 0 29 3; #X connect 20 0 19 0; #X connect 21 0 19 2; #X connect 22 0 11 0; #X connect 23 0 20 3; #X connect 24 0 14 1; #X connect 25 0 29 1; #X connect 26 0 30 1; #X connect 27 0 28 0; #X connect 28 0 6 0; #X connect 29 0 12 0; #X connect 30 0 7 0; thanks bye

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[value] substitution as arguments (wish)
by Peter Todd 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Greetings, I would personally find it useful if it was possible to use named variables as arguments to arithmetic operators etc (particularly [expr]. It seems to me this could aid readability in certain cases greatly, and also save time in programming - rather than having to wire up [recieve]s or [t f b]->[value] pairs (if you follow), one could simply enter the name of the variable directly into the expression where appropriate. The object would follow the convention to output the result when a message was recieved at the left inlet, with the appropriate value(s) substituted. Of course, it would have to support substitution of $ arguments in the variable names as well, but I imagine that would happen quite naturally if it was implemented. In the cases where the argument is competing with a cold inlet, I suppose it might be argued that it could be confusing. Even if that was a confusion, it would be easily avoided. I might have a go at making a modified [expr], but that won't happen very quickly as I've not written a pd external (or very much c) before, and, of course, it's not exactly stopping me from working. I definitely feel it would be a worthy addition to the language, though. It would be nice if it was deeply integrated enough that it would be automatically applied to any object that takes a float as an argument as well. I don't know if that is realistic, both in terms of at which point in the program or external text parsing is implemented, and in the nature of some objects really relying on the argument being used for initialisation, and not varied beyond that. While I'm on this stream of consciousnes, perhaps even that could be a feature - changing the value causing the object to essentially be reconstructed. One would need to be aware of this, and duly cautious, or it could really choke things up, but that is just the nature of the game we call programming. I'd be interested what anyone elses thoughts are on this. Peter

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Simple PDP mixer patch
by Thomas Sivertsen 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Hello all. I had some free time, so I made a simple clip-mixing tool with effects using PD and PDP/PiDiP. Actually, it was a patch I built for a performance last week, this is just the "pretty" version. It's something I had to do anyway. :-) It's nothing you can't do yourself in about an hour, but I figured sharing is nice. Requires PDP, PiDiP, playlist, PD 0.37.4. Questions, bug reports, bug fixes or any feedback most welcome. Anyway, enjoy! .thomas

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Gem: Bug with color and separator?
by Peter Todd 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

I would expect a color object connected beneath a separator to only effect the objects subsequently connected, but it seems to propogate through almost the whole gemlist (with the obvious exception of geos that are rendered before the color object is reached). I haven't experiment with [ambient] etc or [pix]s (the latter I guess are very different), I just noticed this and it seemed wrong (and easy to fix?). Maybe there is something I misunderstand.

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