Pd-list April 2003

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Multichannel audio on OS X
by Stu Yarrow 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

Hi I am using Adam's 0.36-extended2 packages on OS X and I was unable to get my EMI 2|6 usb audio interface to work in 6 channel mode (I could get 2 channel output but no more). I also noticed that others on the list have had the same problem in the past, and digging around the pd and portaudio list archives it appeared to be an issue with portaudio. ...so I updated the portaudio source with a nightly tarball, transferred across Miller's changes in pablio_pd, and recompiled. Now I can get 6 channel output (wahey!), but the menus etc have reverted to their old behaviour ie listboxes in the pd window rather than menus in the menu bar. I suspect that this is because I have an older/different version of tcl/tk, or maybe just some header files, lying around somewhere from before I installed Adam's packages... What should I do to make sure my tcl/tk setup is ok and that I am compiling against the right version? any advice much appreciated... cheers -Stu

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pd linux doesn't like sharing midi devices
by Antonis Galanopoulos 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

hi all I have that problem with pd. What I want to do is control ardour from pd using midi MMC. I have set up a working virtual midi card in my system for that reason. If I start pd first it will open the midi devices it is supposed to open (i.e mididev 1,2,3). I start ardour afterwards but no luck, it cannot open the midi device it is supposed to receive midi because *I think* (and I might be wrong) pd opened it first. Same thing happens if I start ardour first,it will open the midi dev but pd wont be able to open the device ardour is using. I also had a similar problem with another application called seq24, a few weeks ago. Does anybody knows what is going on? Is pd using oss for midi I/O? Any ideas welcome -- regards anton

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Re: stuck installing on OSX
by Mitchell Turner 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

Mark, I am using the Adam Lindsay distribution. I have found it better to run PD from the Terminal command line. There I must specify which MIDI I/O I want. I placed the PD directory at: ~/pd I move into the "~/pd/bin" directory and type (I'm using "./" because I have not aliased pd in my .tcshrc file): ./pd -midiindev 0 -midioutdev 1 and it runs fine. Pd uses the default audio I/O (I have "Built-in Audio controller" set as my default audio device; this was set in the System Preferences under Sound). This is with a RolandUM-1 (one in/out MIDI). I was not able to use my fastlane successfully. Try setting your default audio device to Built-in Audio controller, and then at the command line type: pd -nomidi and see if you can get audio in and out. There is a test file available. When Wish opens, look under the Help menu. Try turning the test tone on to see about out and try clicking the Monitor box to test audio in. Next, close out Wish and relaunch PD by specifying the MIDI i/o you want. Something like pd -midiindev 0 -midioutdev 2 and see if the MIDI works in the test Audio and Midi help file. Hope this helps a little, Mitch > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:56:26 -0400 > To: pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > From: Mark Ballora <ballora(a)psu.edu> > Subject: [PD] stuck installing on OSX > > Sorry to make my first post here so long. I'm new to UNIX/OSX, and > am running in circles trying to get pd installed. > > After running the installer twice, I get the following at the terminal: > > [techboy:~] markballora% which pd > /usr/local/pd/bin/pd > > and > > [techboy:~] markballora% ls /usr/local/pd/bin > pd pd-watchdog pd.tk pdreceive pdsend pdtcl > > > So far so good? > > Then I tried: > [techboy:~] markballora% pd -listdev > reading startup file: /Users/markballora/.pdrc > Number of devices = 4 > ---------------------------------------------- #1 > Name = Built-in audio controller > Max Inputs = 2, Max Outputs = 0 > Sample Rate Range = 8000.000000 to 96000.000000 > Native Sample Formats = paFloat32, > ---------------------------------------------- #2 DefaultInput > Name = MOTU 828 > Max Inputs = 8, Max Outputs = 0 > Sample Rate Range = 8000.000000 to 96000.000000 > Native Sample Formats = paFloat32, > ---------------------------------------------- #3 > Name = Built-in audio controller > Max Inputs = 0, Max Outputs = 2 > Sample Rate Range = 8000.000000 to 96000.000000 > Native Sample Formats = paFloat32, > ---------------------------------------------- #4 DefaultOutput > Name = MOTU 828 > Max Inputs = 0, Max Outputs = 8 > Sample Rate Range = 8000.000000 to 96000.000000 > Native Sample Formats = paFloat32, > ---------------------------------------------- > 0: CoreMIDI, Port B (input) > 1: CoreMIDI, Port B (input) > 2: CoreMIDI, Port B (output) > 3: CoreMIDI, Port B (output) > could not open midi output device number 1: Invalid device ID. > using default input device number: 1 > using default output device number: 3 > nchan 2, flags 3, bufs 8, framesperbuf 256 > Could not create output format converter: error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' > Error number -10000 occured opening portaudio stream > Error message: Host error. > sh: /usr/local/bin/pd-watchdog: No such file or directory > Error in startup script: couldn't read file "/usr/local/bin/pd.tk": > no such file or directory > 1 > > Seems odd, since the list of the directory showed the pd.tk file. At > this point, I can run the program and get it to do simple math > patches, but no audio or MIDI test works. > > The same thing happened when I tried running the program from the > prompt: > > [techboy:~] markballora% pd > reading startup file: /Users/markballora/.pdrc > could not open midi output device number 1: Invalid device ID. > using default input device number: 1 > using default output device number: 3 > nchan 2, flags 3, bufs 8, framesperbuf 256 > Could not create output format converter: error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' > Error number -10000 occured opening portaudio stream > Error message: Host error. > sh: /usr/local/bin/pd-watchdog: No such file or directory > Error in startup script: couldn't read file "/usr/local/bin/pd.tk": > no such file or directory > > > I tried replacing /usr/local/pd/bin/pd file with the file from: > http://homepage.mac.com/atl/.cv/atl/Public/pd-pa-new-binary.tar.gz- > link.gz > which is supposed to make it more compatible with the MOTU 828. > > Now, when I try running it from the prompt, I get: > > [techboy:~] markballora% pd > dyld: pd can't open library: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib (No such > file or directory, errno = 2) > Trace/BPT trap > > Similarly, trying to run it from Pd.command gives: > > [techboy:~] markballora% /Applications/Pd.command; exit > dyld: /usr/local/pd/bin/pd can't open library: > /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2) > /Applications/Pd.command: line 2: 793 Trace/BPT trap > /usr/local/pd/bin/pd -rt > logout > [Process completed] > > > > Can anyone give me any guidance on how to get this thing working? > > thanks -- > > Mark Ballora > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:30:33 -0500 > From: Michael McGonagle <fndsnd(a)rcnchicago.com> > To: pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > Subject: Re: [PD] stuck installing on OSX > > Mark, > > You should download Adam Lindsay's installer, it seems to the most > "Macintosh" friendly installer... The problems that you had with > swapping out the binaries is probably due to the second binary being > linked to a library that is not on your system. You should rerun the > original installer to get the original binary back. > > I am not really sure why this is, but every time I run pd as you have, > I > get similar errors. Basically, the way that I run it is by creating an > 'alias' that points to the "absolute" path for the binary. you should > be > able to do the following: > > > [host:] user% alias pd /usr/local/pd/bin/pd > > [host:] user% alias rtpd sudo /usr/local/pd/bin/pd > > > These two alias are used to run pd. The second is used to run pd with > the -rt option (you need to be running as root for the realtime stuff). > > The best place to put these 'alias' is in your '.tcshrc' file. This is > a > 'hidden' file that resides in your 'home' directory. You should be > able to just add both of these lines to that file, and the alias' will > be there for you each time you start a shell. > > > Mike > > > Mark Ballora wrote: >> Sorry to make my first post here so long. I'm new to UNIX/OSX, and am >> running in circles trying to get pd installed. >> >> After running the installer twice, I get the following at the >> terminal: >> >> [techboy:~] markballora% which pd >> /usr/local/pd/bin/pd >> >> and >> >> [techboy:~] markballora% ls /usr/local/pd/bin >> pd pd-watchdog pd.tk pdreceive pdsend pdtcl >> >> >> So far so good? >> >> Then I tried: >> [techboy:~] markballora% pd -listdev >> reading startup file: /Users/markballora/.pdrc >> Number of devices = 4 >> ---------------------------------------------- #1 >> Name = Built-in audio controller >> Max Inputs = 2, Max Outputs = 0 >> Sample Rate Range = 8000.000000 to 96000.000000 >> Native Sample Formats = paFloat32, >> ---------------------------------------------- #2 DefaultInput >> Name = MOTU 828 >> Max Inputs = 8, Max Outputs = 0 >> Sample Rate Range = 8000.000000 to 96000.000000 >> Native Sample Formats = paFloat32, >> ---------------------------------------------- #3 >> Name = Built-in audio controller >> Max Inputs = 0, Max Outputs = 2 >> Sample Rate Range = 8000.000000 to 96000.000000 >> Native Sample Formats = paFloat32, >> ---------------------------------------------- #4 DefaultOutput >> Name = MOTU 828 >> Max Inputs = 0, Max Outputs = 8 >> Sample Rate Range = 8000.000000 to 96000.000000 >> Native Sample Formats = paFloat32, >> ---------------------------------------------- >> 0: CoreMIDI, Port B (input) >> 1: CoreMIDI, Port B (input) >> 2: CoreMIDI, Port B (output) >> 3: CoreMIDI, Port B (output) >> could not open midi output device number 1: Invalid device ID. >> using default input device number: 1 >> using default output device number: 3 >> nchan 2, flags 3, bufs 8, framesperbuf 256 >> Could not create output format converter: error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' >> Error number -10000 occured opening portaudio stream >> Error message: Host error. >> sh: /usr/local/bin/pd-watchdog: No such file or directory >> Error in startup script: couldn't read file "/usr/local/bin/pd.tk": no >> such file or directory >> 1 >> >> Seems odd, since the list of the directory showed the pd.tk file. At >> this point, I can run the program and get it to do simple math >> patches, >> but no audio or MIDI test works. >> >> The same thing happened when I tried running the program from the >> prompt: >> >> [techboy:~] markballora% pd >> reading startup file: /Users/markballora/.pdrc >> could not open midi output device number 1: Invalid device ID. >> using default input device number: 1 >> using default output device number: 3 >> nchan 2, flags 3, bufs 8, framesperbuf 256 >> Could not create output format converter: error = 0x666D743F = 'fmt?' >> Error number -10000 occured opening portaudio stream >> Error message: Host error. >> sh: /usr/local/bin/pd-watchdog: No such file or directory >> Error in startup script: couldn't read file "/usr/local/bin/pd.tk": no >> such file or directory >> >> >> I tried replacing /usr/local/pd/bin/pd file with the file from: >> http://homepage.mac.com/atl/.cv/atl/Public/pd-pa-new-binary.tar.gz- >> link.gz >> which is supposed to make it more compatible with the MOTU 828. >> >> Now, when I try running it from the prompt, I get: >> >> [techboy:~] markballora% pd >> dyld: pd can't open library: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib (No such >> file or directory, errno = 2) >> Trace/BPT trap >> >> Similarly, trying to run it from Pd.command gives: >> >> [techboy:~] markballora% /Applications/Pd.command; exit >> dyld: /usr/local/pd/bin/pd can't open library: >> /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2) >> /Applications/Pd.command: line 2: 793 Trace/BPT trap >> /usr/local/pd/bin/pd -rt >> logout >> [Process completed] >> >> >> >> Can anyone give me any guidance on how to get this thing working? >> >> thanks -- >> >> Mark Ballora >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PD-list mailing list >> PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at >> http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at > http://iem.kug.ac.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > > > End of PD-list Digest >

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readanysf~ almost beta
by august 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

'ncase anyone is interested. ongoing work with this external. basically, I use pd for various things and need a similar interface to different filetypes. an almost beta version is at: http://aug.ment.org/software/readanysf~0.05.tar.gz the only known bug at the moment is that if you try and remove one of the readanysf~ objects from the canvas, something is likely to explode. this has something to do with how flext handles threading, i think, but am not sure. is there something like a pthreads_join in flext? i think that would help. ShouldExit() and StopThreads() simply doesnt do it for me. features: pcm and time seeking looping (internally and should be sample accurate) plays aiff, wav, nextstep (same code as readsf~ with 16,24 and 32bit float support) plus vorbis and mp3 (using madlib) near future: add flac support (anyone have a good simple flac code?) conifigure and make scripts distant future: http streaming (perhaps) convert to pure c++ without flext if i cant get flext to work with the threading. would be a shame. any suggestions? -tsugua.

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Re: [PD] readanysf~ beta
by t.barrass＠pgrad.unimelb.edu.au 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

Hi august, readanysf~ looks useful, specially if it can do variable speed and direction. But so far the test patch crashes my Pd immediately, and so does trying to make a readanysf~ object on a blank page. Any suggestions? thanks tim

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Re: PD-list digest, Vol 1 #384 - 8 msgs
by vanDongen-Gilcher 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

pd-list-request(a)iem.kug.ac.at said at "PD-list digest, Vol 1 #384 - 8 msgs."r[2003/04/20 04:27] > Message: 3 > From: "kiilo" <gelb_(a)web.de> > > where do you want your force feedback joystic? why not making music > with a motorcycle? ;o) > Hmm, good idea, it solves the gear-transportation problem, I could just drive to the gig. I think a car is even better, and there are so many computers in a modern car, maybe I could run pd on the microcontroller of the engine... More realistically, I am hoping to hookup a pinball machine to pd one of these days. Gerard

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Re: [PD] rme 9636 - installation problems
by philipp 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

hi > To try the card you can use any other program that supports OSS. > (xmms or the play command from sox for example). > If these freeze the system too, then there is probably not too much > chance to get it going. the system freezes also with xmms. > I have not yet gotten a report that the driver freezes the system, > but the way you describe the problem it seems to be a bug in the > driver. :( it looks like there is a problem between the kernel and the driver: I replaced my bf2.4 kernel with a regular 2.4.18 kernel ( with smp support in my case) and now the driver works fine and there is pd on 8 channels - great !!!! thanx for help and much more for the driver :) servus philipp >> each time I want to start pd i got a system freeze also when I start pd as >> user (not root) !!! >> >> - debian linux 2.4.18bf2.4 on pentium III >> - no alsa installed >> - pd 0.36-test9 compiled without alsa and without rme support. >> works fine when started with '-noaudio -nomidi' >> >> - installed Günther Geigers rme96xx driver

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zexy's msgfile vs. textfile read errors
by David McCallum 19 Apr '03

19 Apr '03

I replaced a [textfile] in one of my patches with a [msgfile] from zexy and msgfile doesn't seem to want to read the file that textfile had no problem with. I get the error: error: msgfile_read: unable to open ..\radiostations.txt As you can see it has a relative path reference, but I can't see why that would make a difference. Once again, textfile had no problem with this. Any thoughts? . . David McCallum . Music wants to be free . http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta/ .

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pd-OSX-motu microExpressUSB
by Alex 19 Apr '03

19 Apr '03

Hi, The MIDI interface has 4 inputs and 6 outputs. When I start pd -listdev, I get the following: 0: CoreMIDI, All Cables (input) 1: CoreMIDI, All Cables (input) 2: CoreMIDI, All Cables (input) 3: CoreMIDI, All Cables (input) 4: CoreMIDI, All Cables (input) 5: CoreMIDI, All Cables (output) 6: CoreMIDI, All Cables (output) 7: CoreMIDI, All Cables (output) 8: CoreMIDI, All Cables (output) 9: CoreMIDI, All Cables (output) 10: CoreMIDI, All Cables (output) 11: CoreMIDI, All Cables (output) This could correspond to my inputs/outputs, having said that there are one more input and one more output (5 in and 7 out). However and anyway I get the following as well and cannot get any Midi out of pd: could not open midi output device number 1: Invalid device ID. using default input device number: 0 using default output device number: 1 Any idea ? Thanks Alex

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Re: PD, linux and ALSA [+Jack!]
by derek holzer 19 Apr '03

19 Apr '03

hi martin, good to hear you are on the road with your pd/alsa/jack now. i finally have my "famous soundcard" [HDSP] up and running without a hitch as well. in answer to your ?'s, i am also forwarding this to the PD list in case anybody there has similar ones: >Here's a quick question in passing. Do you run a script at boot time to >start jack? > no. it is pretty CPU consumptive. try browsing the internet while a jack app is running, something like the XMMS player even, and you may hear lots of hiccups. better to run it when you need it. type: jackd -d alsa -d hw in a terminal window [and make SURE you are not root when you do this, or bad stuff will happen!] then CTRL+C in that terminal window will stop jack. type: qjackconnect in another window to get the connection panel. if you are using Demudi, it should have made a button in you menu to start and stop. otherwise, just make it yourself. since i use the Fluxbox window manager, i have the following lines in /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu: [exec] (JACK Start) {x-terminal-emulator -e /usr/bin/jackd -d alsa -d hw} [exec] (JACK Stop) { x-terminal-emulator -T "JACK Stop" -e killall -HUP jackd} [exec] (JACK connection panel) {qjackconnect} but if you use Gnome or KDE or whatever, you'll have to find where they go yourself. also, note that i am using the 'jackd' command and not 'jackstart' command because the -realtime command that 'jackstart' gives isn't really working with my system [not recommended for kernel 2.4.20 with ext3 file system unless journalling is disabled]. maybe it works for you, in which case change jackd to jackstart in the lines above. >And what's a sensible place to put scripts such as one that >launches pd with all the libraries? > that is what your .pdrc file does. it goes in your home directory. so mine is in /home/derek/.pdrc and it looks like this: -blocksize 512 -channels 8 -path /usr/lib/pd/iemabs -lib Gem -lib zexy -lib iemlib1 -lib iemlib2 -lib iem_mp3 -lib iem_t3_lib -lib OSC obviously, you won't be using 8 channels, and you may want to fool around with your blocksize if the sound starts glitching, but the rest of this should be alright, so long as your externals are in the right place... /usr/lib/pd/extra in my case. then, by typing: /usr/bin/pd or even just: pd it should work out fine. you can also add this to your menu: [exec] (PD) {x-terminal-emulator -e /usr/bin/pd} and then you will have a button, if it isn't there already. good luck! derek

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