Pd-list November 2003

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Help Needed on Potential RRADical Contribution
by Marcus 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Hello, I'm very supportive of the recent proposal to build a RRADical PD package for end-users, and its inspired me to resume work on a GUI-driven modular sequencer patch that could make a nice contribution to the project. Here's a screenshot of the front-end GUI for "The Schedule": http://www.steampowered.org/the_schedule.htm However, before I can submit it I need some help troubleshooting my patch. Someone with some experience generating scripts to build .pd files would be really useful. This patch is a patch cord connection monster, and I'm only able to point-and-click so far... If you're interested in helping me complete this patch, you can download the work-in-progress here: http://www.steampowered.org/The_Schedule.zip I've commented the patch fairly well I hope, but if you need more orientation, please feel free to email me. Also, please submit changes to me or the list, but don't upload the patch to .org yet - I still want to tweak some GUI elements to make it more user-friendly. Thanks very much! Marcus. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/

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Re: [PD] installing and running/using pd/pdp/pidip/gem on panther
by Gon Zifroni 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

>I have just updated that page to give some installation directions for GEM >on OSX. Let me know if they are adequate. great! so basic, ur instructions helped me to know that I should type "pd -lib Gem" to launch pd with a certain lib.. and seem to work when loading a gem sample patch but then some stuff is missing look: pix_videoDarwin: constructor pix_videoDarwin: height 320 width 240 pix_videoDarwin: number of SGcomponents: 1 pix_videoDarwin: opened default component pix_videoDarwin: initialized SG dataref ok pix_videoDarwin: could not make new SG channnel pix_videoDarwin: could not set SG ChannelBounds pix_videoDarwin: could not set SG ChannelUsage pix_videoDarwin: set SG HighQuality error: canvas: no method for 'atom' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. 01.VideoPaint.pd 27 0 28 0 (/->text) connection failed 01.VideoPaint.pd 28 0 26 1 (text->pix_threshold) connection failed 01.VideoPaint.pd 37 0 38 0 (+->+) connection failed 01.VideoPaint.pd 38 0 37 1 (+->???) connection failed _________________________________________________________________ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/

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Re: [PD] installing and running/using pd/pdp/pidip/gem on panther
by Gon Zifroni 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

pix_videoDarwin: could not set SG ChannelUsage pix_videoDarwin: set SG HighQuality error: canvas: no method for 'atom' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. 01.VideoPaint.pd 27 0 28 0 (/->text) connection failed 01.VideoPaint.pd 28 0 26 1 (text->pix_threshold) connection failed 01.VideoPaint.pd 37 0 38 0 (+->+) connection failed 01.VideoPaint.pd 38 0 37 1 (+->???) connection failed GEM information --------------- OpenGL info pd_gui: pd process exited Bus error this happened when I clicked on 2 things : print and then create (messages for the gemwin object).. _________________________________________________________________ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/

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Fw: [lev] \\ BORDERS, BOREDOM and "BULLSHIT" (Zicarelli 2000)
by Ken 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Sorry forgot this part, who is this chick? ----- Original Message ----- From: <integer(a)www.god-emil.dk> To: <lev(a)shoko.calarts.edu> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: [lev] \\ BORDERS, BOREDOM and "BULLSHIT" (Zicarelli 2000) > > > > Dear Tom, > > Further, regarding the importance of ensuring the LEV archives survive ... > > > > > > > > \\ BORDERS, BOREDOM and "BULLSHIT" (Zicarelli 2000) > (c) Netochka Nezvanova | immuneplay.com > > > > David Zicarelli, of Cycling74 INC, has stated that he is no longer competitive and that > "competition is something to redefine out of existence". > > > > 1. We feel that Cycling74 INC has brought this statement to fruition by, > their exclusive licensing of MAX, by their 'pick-pocketing' a percentage out of the sales > of practically every MAX related product, in the process metamorphosing community members into modular commodities/employees, > into living MAX 'objects'. > > We feel that Cycling74 INC has brought this statement to fruition by taking substantive measures to drive out of existence, > out of the community, those unwilling to cooperate, those unwilling to be exploited, those unwilling to 'work', > those unwilling to metamorphose into breathing MAX 'objects' strapped inside Cycling74's korporate fascist MAX patch, > feeding its operation. > > > 2. We wish to ensure that the historic records, documenting what we feel > are monopolistic, parasitic and banditry tactics on the part of Cycling74, and our and others' > determined, continued and heroic opposition to this draconian, modular system of compulsory mutual exploitation, > are not redefined out of history. > > > 3. We have devoted years of creative life energy to this community, > and hundreds of thousands of lines of z!mpl!.zkueek code to the MAX environment, its advancement > and its survival, as a viable authoring platform. We have carved names into the nameless abyss, > and penciled the map for a decade of artistic exploration and commercially viable products. > > > 4 We have lifted MAX out of its decade long slide into irrelevancy, under the centralized control of > male somnambuls and "professional" programmers, and brought it to the forefront of multimedia authoring. > We have grown and diversified this community. We have built bridges and lifed enthusiasm, where there were > but BORDERS, BOREDOM and "BULLSHIT" (Zicarelli 2000), in one word = MODULARITY. > > We have accomplished this, under the constant threat of vicious censorship, sabotage and industrial espionage. > We have been stolen from, trampled underfoot, socially raped, with nary a line of credit attributed us. > > > 7. We regard it obscene and criminal to erase, or in any way interfere with the open access, > to the historic record of this community. > > The new and improved generation of explorers must not be deprived of its right to know, to learn, > and to understand its modular past, where it is it came from, and where it is it is (may be) going. > > > > Kind regards, NN > > > > > > > > > > >>i have been moderating the lev list for some time now, but as i need to > >>pare down, and as i have not much involvement in video, i will be > >>closing down the lev list. > > > > > > > >Tom, issues to consider: > > > > > >1. Only two (2) days ago we had elucidated that LEV was the more suitable environment > > for discussion and debate of the "Cycling74 ISSUE" and the surrounding banditry, > > facilitated, encouraged and financed, directly or indirectly, by Cycling74 Inc and its employees. > > > > A very abrupt decision to close LEV, arriving two (2) days after our announcement, > > gives life to question marks of stature high ... people may be suspicious > > of clandestine interventions by certain INC's > > > > As history books teach us, Cycling74 Inc., on the very day it released Jitter, > > announced that its Internet server was hacked. The MAX forum was closed, and > > coincidentally, the MAX list archives disappeared, never to be seen again. > > > > > > > >2. Less than one year ago, you took the helm of LEV. > > Others volunteered at the time, yet you were chosen. > > > > We are sympathetic that the present need to "pare down" could not > > have been anticipated, however, we feel you have the responsibility, > > to at very least locate a new administrator, and our suggestion > > is administrators, of both sexes and of multiple nationalities, > > to ensure LEV does not become yet another puppet enclave of Cycling74 INC digital bandits. > > > > We offer our assistance in locating qualified _persons. > > We stress the plural, for the epoch of one MAN standing before a classroom is a bit clichÃ©, > > particularly when the realtime video software industry was lifed by women, brought to maturity > > by women, and its advances continue to be coordinated principally by women. > > > > > >3. We wish to ensure that irrespective of LEV's future, the LEV archives > > will remain on line, available to all. If this isn't the case please > > contact us. The LEV archives are an important [part missing = symbolic++] of this community's history, > > and anyone, inclusive Cycling74 INC, may not destroy this history, > > or in any way interfere with public access to this important record. > > > > > > > >Cordially, NN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > >- > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre.konssept!Ãn > > meeTz ver!f1kat!Ãn. > > > > > > > >- > > > >Netochka Nezvanova - simply.SUPERIOR > >f3.MASCHIN3NKUNST > >@www.immuneplay.com > >= c w 4 t 7 a b s > > > > > > e > > | krvava gruda plodna zemlja > > > > | +---------- > > | | < > > \\----------------+ | n2t > > | > > > e > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lev mailing list > lev(a)ceait.calarts.edu > http://ceait.calarts.edu/mailman/listinfo/lev >

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installing and running/using pd/pdp/pidip/gem on panther
by Gon Zifroni 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Hi everyone, I'm new to all this but I would like to contribute because I think the intentions you all have are good, although my knowledge of programming stops at flash scripting, I would really want to take part of this experience and be able to use this amazing piece of software you are all building here together. Maybe my contribution could be of bringing user-level concepts and basically beta-testing what you build. I am a designer in public-space (just grad) based in rotterdam doing some vjying at weekends with an alubook15" 1ghz 256ram running all latest panther upgrades. I understand that Adam Lindsay you are the one working on porting this array of softs to panther, so probably this will only be of interest to you.. sorry if this is not the right place to post this.. Exploring the pd/pdp/pidip/gem network, I started following the instruction to install pd on panther through fink. Installing fink caused already a problem when the .dmg downloaded couldn't be mounted : "no mountable filesystem found".. reading on I found a message in some forum quoting that fink isn't actually needed at all because panther contains all the libs needed to install/run pd. So I found Adam's page; downloaded pd 0.36 install package which worked fine. Had to restart to be able to run it though. The other file I found here: http://taproot.dyndns.org/~cgc/downloads/index.html is the g4 version of gem : once downloaded it unpacks just 1 file called Gem.pd_darwin : how do I use this file? is it an installer? is gem needed to run pdp? I have now PD 0.36 running, so basically the question is: how do I install PDP, GEM and PiDiP (are they so different? do they complement each other?) onto PD 0.36 (in panther thus).. This just shows how difficult it might be for non-coders to use those obviously great tools.. Maybe it might be interesting to build a site that sits as a communication portal (linking all these efforts together).. communication for new but also more serious users (prbbly you, the ones at the base of this, sothat all know what threads of devs are going on -who's doing what-). Maybe it is already there and I just missed it, maybe I miss the point of all this.. but for me the communication issue is the one which makes OS look so dark.. I saw some german lecturer of an OS conference last thursday in rotterdam promoting his book "free networks" or so, he was quoting himself: "geeks, no speech" from his experience with trying to understand and grasp a bit of what is happening with the OS dev world the last year(s).. Having said that I personally don't think of people working together as something dark, I actually had good experience with a group (code31) in brussels.. And coming from the field of creation I totally adhere to collaborative working as going forward and pushing limits. apologies for the long mail / / I hope this is not received as misunderstood / language sometimes deflects from the original meaning.. greetings and keep up the good work Gon Zifroni. _________________________________________________________________ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/

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Re: Advice on PD/Flash Usage
by Hugo Dini 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

>You will need Icecast anyway but you can play mp3 streams directly in >Flash. So users don't have to start a separate player for that. >Olaf But you can't stream in flash while pd is writing the mp3, can you? Hugo hugodini(a)warpmail.net -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service

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new tcltk8.5 alpha w/CG for OSX
by tigital＠mac.com 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

heya, ...just a note that a new alpha of tcl/tk for OSX is available at: http://homepage.mac.com/tigital ...pd needs to be recompiled to use this: just change the references to "8.4" in the makefile to "8.5", then place the tcl.framework and tk.framework in your "/Library/Frameworks", and finally place the new Wish Shell.app into "/Applications/Utilities"... ...this release fixes the toggle button problem, which actually affected alot of interface stuff, as well as correcting a redraw bug...to my mind, this effectively replaces the 8.4.x releases, and is much faster at canvas/text drawing... ...as always, bug reports welcome! l8r, jamie

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curve3d
by --//-- 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

hi, sorry for spaminge a second time but i really love the features of curve3d but can`t continue building abstractions without having the possiblity of playing video files. here is the link to the distribution: http://drpichon.free.fr/pure-data/GEM/ i`d really be very happy if somebody could have a short look to the sources because i`m really a little stuck. regards wolfgang

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Advice on PD/Flash Usage
by Marcus 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Hello, I'm interested in learning more about creating Flash frontends for a few PD patches of mine and hosting them on the web. I've installed the flashserver external; however, I only have a rudimentary working knowledge of Flash and I'm in need of some advice on where to tread next. A few questions: 1. Is it neccessary to learn Actionscript in order to create interaction between PD and Flash, or will just a few rote lines of memorized code suffice? At the moment, all I want to do is build some sliders and have PD recieve the numerical data. 2. I'm not hosting any webspace on a local box, though I do have telnet access. Will it be possible to boot my patch through my telnet-accessed comand line? If not, is there any way of pulling this off short of building my own webserver? 3. Has anyone tried to stream audio data back through Flash? Is this feasible? If not, what's the most widely-accessible way of sharing the audio data? Icecast? Any further tips and pointers on this task would be appreciated. Once I've successfully pulled this off, I'd like to write a simple tutorial for pure-data.org on how it was done. Thanks! Marcus. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/

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dpkg-buildpackage (compiling pd-externals)
by Chris McCormick 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Hi, With the latest pd-externals.tgz from sourceforge I've done this: dpkg-buildpackage -d (on debian of course) It seems i'm missing the following file when building flext: In file included from /usr/include/SndObj/AudioDefs.h:80, from source/flsndobj.h:19, from source/flsndobj.cpp:12: /usr/include/SndObj/IFFT.h:10: rfftw.h: No such file or directory Can anyone tell me where rfftw.h is meant to come from? Regards, Chris. _________________________________ chris(a)mccormick.cx http://www.mccormick.cx http://www.hypercube.com.au http://www.sciencegirlrecords.com

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