Pd-list October 2003

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Re: [PD] PD Logo
by matthew jones 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

Hey I like the idea in pd icon 015, though not as a file icon - more as a logo. Could do with some snazzy colour stuff though.... Unfortunately I can't contribute cos I only have paintbrush here. BTW: is the logo to be used for shortcut icon and/or executable icon?? I really like the simple pd in a box that Thomas sent for the pd-patch icon (despite my own attempt which still looks nice with my colour scheme here), but I'm having trouble working out what the LOGO will be used for. I mean, nobody is going to be packaging Pd in plastic wrap are they? It would make sense to have the logo for the main executable and shortcuts, and keep something really simple for the patch icons... but this is the thing: executable icons and shortcuts also need to be provided in 16x16 px versions too! which will make any snazzy designs look sh1te. hmmph matt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.loopit.org/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ----- Original Message ----- From: <huolong(a)arcor.de> To: <pd-list(a)iem.at> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [PD] PD Logo > heres my 2 cents > http://www.pure-data.org/Members/andre/pd_icon_test21/image_view >

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digital filters
by jacques couzteau 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

hello list, i want to experiment with digital filters on wavetables. After looking into the Pd Documentation i know there is 1000 different ways to do this, BUT what's the best (most appropriate, easiest) way to do this? What i have in mind is an architecture that allows me to build recursive and non-recursive filters of which i can easily access and change the coefficients and the number of coefficients. Can someone give me advice how to get started with this? Do such objects already exist? I would also like to visualize the fourier transform of a signal. Does something like that exist? cheerz and thank you jacques

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Newbie with some questions (notably [block~ 1])
by Claudius Maximus 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

Hi all, A few days into Pd I've finished a couple of small patches (see http://claudiusmaximus.tk -> Paula) and learnt a lot about how it all works, thanks to the huge set of documentation (and useful documentation at that) provided. I must express my thanks to the authors. However I've found some issues, either with the way I'm trying to do things or with Pd itself: 1. [block~ 1] doesn't work The block size is set to 64 instead. Moreover: C:\>pd -version Pd version 0.37.0 compiled 14:20:00 Sep 17 2003 caught an exception; stopping C:\>pd -blocksize 1 D:/pd not using MIDI input (use 'pd -midiindev 1' to override) pd: audio buffering maxed out to 2 100 audio buffers main Pd window appears pd.exe - Application Error The instruction st 0x1004b801 referenced memory at 0x0014c000. The memory could not be written. Click on OK to terminate the program. caught an exeption; stopping pd.exe - Application Error The instruction at 0x77fc9789 referenced memory at 0xfffffff8. The memory could not be read. Click on OK to terminate the program. pd terminates C:\> I'm using Windows 2000 Professional. The hex numbers in the errors are constant, even over reboots. I have found a workaround, using [until], [tabwrite] and [tabreceive~], but my patch would look prettier if [block~ 1] worked ;-] 2. [sysexin] doesn't work on Windows: error: sysexin: works under Linux only Same with [midiin] - and trying to use them just gives 240 and 2 on the left and right outlets when a sysex message arrives. I would very much like to receive sysex messages for my Novation BassStation Rack patch editor that I'm working on. 3. How do I read bytes from a binary file into an array? Treating them as integers from 0 to 255. 4. How do I build messages out of symbol arguments? |set $1( doesn't work as expected when I send it a symbol. 5. How do I send messages to $0-name arrays? |;$0-name x y z( doesn't work. Many thanks for your consideration and help, Claude ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk

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live video tracking w/ Gem
by el professor 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

I'm new to Gem and was wondering if there exists any capabilities for analyzing and tracking live video. I guess this would be analagous to the Max / Cyclops object. Any info is much appreciated. -Lara _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa

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gem text3D / text2D / textoutline on darwin/OS X
by doktorp 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

whazz-the-dealie yo? textoutline appears to be a valid object but I cant seem to get it to display anything? nothing works for text2/3D, I get errors. ----- god. I am loving PD more and more every day. you guys so rock. keep it up. *dances* pd 0.37.0 installer.dmg btw. oh and im running OS X 10.3 hey I have an idea, lets throw as many variables in this as possible =) thanks. -dok

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Nicholas's B & W
by X. J. Scott 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

on 10/20/03 9:23 PM, Nicholas Colvin wrote: > I like your design, but I'm not sure about attaching too much meaning to > it. I like to think of Pd as a blank slate, with no preconceptions. I do > not agree with some that the icon needs to be as bare and uninviting as > the interface of the program, but attaching too much symbolism may cloud > perception. > > Anyways, I've attached a slight variation of one of your modified, > rectangular yin/yang. I removed the color, for just the reasons above > and to give it a more neutral look > > Nicholas Hi Nicholas, Thanks! That's an elegant b&w rendition. I'm attaching a slight mod for your consideration -- extending the outer frame a tiny bit I think brings it together a tiny bit more while still maintaining your pure negative symmetry insight within the frame itself. Also including how it looks downsampled and antialiased at 128 width. Of course I like my color ones as well! -- Regarding the symbolism, many designs and works have symbolism. True, I went ahead and described some of what I was thinking there but I didn't mean to suggest that the symbolism has to come as a packaged set and be promoted with the icon -- the symbolism can just be there in the background, tranquilly awaiting discovery or nondiscovery. I don't believe that its existence detracts from the design itself merely by being symbolic. Some examples that come to mind are novels like "Animal Farm" by George Orwell, and "Alice's Adventures Through the Looking Glass" by Lewis Carroll. Also the librettos of various otherwise silly Baroque operas, or the plays of Shakespeare. All these have a level at the surface of a straightforward enjoyable story. But there is also something deeper too and the deeper things don't take anything away. Best, - Jeff

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Using Externals in PD
by Laura Hyland 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

Hi there, Can anyone tell me where I can find instructions on how to use/import? externals in pd. I've found lots of externals on the web that do exactly what I want but there seems to be no info at all on how to actually use them... ??? Im running on both Windows 2000 and xp pro. Thanks

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FW: [PD] interpretation of Li K'an icon
by Nicholas Colvin 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

Forgot to send to list: I like your design, but I'm not sure about attaching too much meaning to it. I like to think of Pd as a blank slate, with no preconceptions. I do not agree with some that the icon needs to be as bare and uninviting as the interface of the program, but attaching too much symbolism may cloud perception. Anyways, I've attached a slight variation of one of your modified, rectangular yin/yang. I removed the color, for just the reasons above and to give it a more neutral look Nicholas -----Original Message----- From: pd-list-admin(a)iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at] On Behalf Of X. J. Scott Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:07 PM To: pd Subject: [PD] interpretation of Li K'an icon Hey all, I just realized that it may not be obvious to everyone the detailed symbology of the red and blue icon I presented. The trigram against the field of red fire is Li, which represents fire, sun, and lightning as well as clarity, conscious thought, and revelation. The trigram against the field of blue water is K'an, which represents moving water like rain, clouds, springs as well as a dangerous difficulty, depth and the profundity of mystery, in other words an exceptional challenge which brings growth. The hexagram formed by the two, fire above moving water, is interpreted as follows, and I believe you will see it is obvious that it is the hexagram that best forms pd: > Before the End comes progress. But if the young fox, > having nearly crossed the stream, gets his tail wet, > there will be no advantage. -- translation from "The Illustrated I Ching" by R. L. Wing This is the ancient origin of the term "getting your tail wet". It means that to succeed at something that is a difficult challenge, it will not be easy. You must completely immerse yourself in the moving water, the difficulty that pd represents. Only by wilfully embracing the struggle of exceptional difficulty can one emerge, wet, on the other side of the river. Having mastered the challenge, one is ready to proceed to the new land that awaits you, strengthened by the enlightenment and new powers that your struggle has birthed. This, is the message of pd and the only way to master pd -- to struggle and to become immersed. Getting the tail wet, fooling around here and there, will bring no benefits because the necessary price has not been paid. But for every prize of such power as pd, there is a worthwhile price that must be paid. I believe that the excerpt from the I Ching I have quoted makes a beautiful motto for pd itself. -- X. J. Scott _______________________________________________ PD-list mailing list PD-list(a)iem.at http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list

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interpretation of Li K'an icon
by X. J. Scott 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

Hey all, I just realized that it may not be obvious to everyone the detailed symbology of the red and blue icon I presented. The trigram against the field of red fire is Li, which represents fire, sun, and lightning as well as clarity, conscious thought, and revelation. The trigram against the field of blue water is K'an, which represents moving water like rain, clouds, springs as well as a dangerous difficulty, depth and the profundity of mystery, in other words an exceptional challenge which brings growth. The hexagram formed by the two, fire above moving water, is interpreted as follows, and I believe you will see it is obvious that it is the hexagram that best forms pd: > Before the End comes progress. But if the young fox, > having nearly crossed the stream, gets his tail wet, > there will be no advantage. -- translation from "The Illustrated I Ching" by R. L. Wing This is the ancient origin of the term "getting your tail wet". It means that to succeed at something that is a difficult challenge, it will not be easy. You must completely immerse yourself in the moving water, the difficulty that pd represents. Only by wilfully embracing the struggle of exceptional difficulty can one emerge, wet, on the other side of the river. Having mastered the challenge, one is ready to proceed to the new land that awaits you, strengthened by the enlightenment and new powers that your struggle has birthed. This, is the message of pd and the only way to master pd -- to struggle and to become immersed. Getting the tail wet, fooling around here and there, will bring no benefits because the necessary price has not been paid. But for every prize of such power as pd, there is a worthwhile price that must be paid. I believe that the excerpt from the I Ching I have quoted makes a beautiful motto for pd itself. -- X. J. Scott

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Re: [PD] PD Logo
by PAGANO,PATRICK RALPH 21 Oct '03

21 Oct '03

i would love to design one but i need some time i think a contest would be fun. On Mon Oct 20 18:11:06 EDT 2003, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)eds.org> wrote: > > > > On Monday, Oct 20, 2003, at 15:08 America/New_York, Frank > Barknecht wrote: > >> Hallo, >> guenter geiger hat gesagt: // guenter geiger wrote: >> >>> >>> With all these pd packages and installers popping up ... >>> >>> Is there a logo for PD available. If not, what about a logo >>> contest at >>> pure-data.org ? >> >> Good idea. I'd propose a bang with the letters "Pd" in it, like: >> ____ >> |(Pd)| >> ---- >> >> or somehow like that. >> > Didn't you make one like that? You should repost it. > >> Btw: How is Pd spelled? I tend to use "Pd" as in the docs. > > On the main Pd window, its spelled "Pd", so that seems to be > official. I think that there should be some basic ground rules > for the icon contest. Here's my suggestions: > > - has to be designed in Pd > - should be black and white, (at least a majority black and > white) > > .hc > > http://at.or.at/hans/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list mailing list > PD-list(a)iem.at > http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list > >

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Pd-list October 2003