Pd-list April 2002

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Fw: [PD] Fw: [microsound] max/msp windows october
by Andrei Savitsky 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

>>> Sorry, Frank, for posting out of list. Yes, i agree, pd has a very important advantage. this is free and open source (for the present). MAX/MSP for MAC costs about 500 $ and 300$ for students. I won`t to comment this, we will see. i love free pd and hope this will going on. For example: if i lead an open-source-software workshop, i know, i`m doing that for demonstration of great possibilities to other people and for imparting knowledge to them. But if that software is commercial i shall a dealer in software. best regards, Andrei Savitsky www.hhtp.org > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Barknecht" <barknech(a)ph-cip.uni-koeln.de> > To: "!!!PD-list" <pd-list(a)iem.kug.ac.at> > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: [PD] Fw: [microsound] max/msp windows october > > > > Andrei Savitsky hat gesagt: // Andrei Savitsky wrote: > > > > > Subject: Fw : [microsound] max/msp windows october > > > We're pleased to announce that the long-awaited Windows version of > > > Max/MSP is closer to shipping. We are currently estimating a release > date > > > of October 2002. > > I wonder, if this might bring us more PD users. On Windows, the Native > > Instruments Crew somehow has the biggest following, and Reaktor et al are > > conceptually quite different from PD. Max OTOH is very similar, as you > > know, and if people start running Max on W32, there might be more interest > > in something similar with open source: in PD. > > bye, > > -- > > __ __ > > Frank Barknecht ____ ______ ____ __ trip\ \ / /wire ______ > > / __// __ /__/ __// // __ \ \/ / __ \\ ___\ > > / / / ____/ / / / // ____// /\ \\ ___\\____ \ > > /_/ /_____/ /_/ /_//_____// / \ \\_____\\_____\ > > /_/ \_\ > > > > >

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get canvas information
by Michael Iber 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Hello, 2 questions: I defined (in self-creating patches) canvas names according to the dynamic-receive-patch, which was posted on this mailing list by putting $0 as the property-name. Is it possible to trigger, send the resulting canvas-number anywhere? Is there a way to define global variables (like a=1)? If yes: how can I do it, and how can I access them? Thanks and regards, Michael

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Re: [PD]
by david casal 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 integer(a)www.god-emil.dk wrote: > pd isnt free. [perhaps if one is 99 prozent brain free] sweeping statements are polluting and opinions are cheap. you advertise like coca-cola. > is pd better +? well ___... different shades of u gli ness. > most of the data worth anything has been authored by `3rd parties`. it's called open source collaboration. see gnu/linux. > overall max + msp + pd + gem = rigid \ uneventful + ultra ugggggllllllyy xy refuse. > as most everything else in the digital domain. thanks to Thomas Grill + Larry Troxler, you can write Python and Scheme within PD, which makes it quite the opposite of 'rigid', and in fact offers the user a way to do almost anything, wihout paying a license fee (as opposed to max, NATO, etc.). This means 'ugly' and 'rigid' now depend on you state of mind and skills as a programmer, not on the framework. the real refuse of the 'digital domain' are the ultra-opinionated pseudocharacters who pile hipocritical releases of their own commercial, cryptically wonderful software, and who blame the tools to appear to be the cool, alternative solution. get on with it. dc david casal --0+ --- d.casal(a)uea.ac.uk --9+ --- www.ariada.uea.ac.uk/~dcasal --)+

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Re: [PD] Fw: [microsound] max/msp windows october
by Andrei Savitsky 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Hey people, i just forwarded that e-mail from microsound mailinglist. : ) This one was from Cray: Cray "undo" on bip-hop_ Enhanced video CD -out now "comment" 3"cd on fallt -now out "untitled i/o" track on Strewth (Synaesthesia) compilation -March 2002 "seven satellite" track on Bip Hop 4 comp - out now "erros$" track on VibraGun compilation - out now " " track on Motion Compilation - June 2002 "rooms" art installation with Marcus Struzina - July 2002 Tennis Remix - Hard Drive Mishap56 - Sept 2002 Bip Hop http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/newroom/toptens/cray.shtml btw: there is a pcfeedback(a)cycling74.com on cycling74 web site. best regards, Andrei Savitsky www.hhtp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Alcorn To: Andrei Savitsky Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Fw: [microsound] max/msp windows october Is there any chance of getting a beta version of this programme for testing purposes???? Best wishes Michael Alcorn Dr Michael Alcorn Director, Sonic Arts Research Centre (Tel: 028 9027 4829 2 Fax: 028 9027 4828 * m.alcorn(a)qub.ac.uk

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Fw: [microsound] max/msp windows october
by Andrei Savitsky 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Subject: Fw : [microsound] max/msp windows october hi all just got this thought it may be oof interest to PC users We're pleased to announce that the long-awaited Windows version of Max/MSP is closer to shipping. We are currently estimating a release date of October 2002. We will provide more details on the product and our progress at the beginning of June. Here are some details on the project that might be of interest to you. - based on the latest Max4/MSP2 versions - includes all of the same objects as the Mac version, with the following exceptions: omsnames, omspatches, omscontrollers, cd~ (to be released later) - reads and writes the same binary and text format patcher and data files as the Mac version; collective files, which contain processor-specific compiled code, will be platform-specific - audio support initially for ASIO, MME, and Direct Sound; ReWire, VST, and DirectConnect to follow shortly after the initial release We know the wait has been nearly endless, and we sincerely appreciate your continued interest in the project. Cycling '74 *If you would like to be removed from our Windows notification list, just let us know (pcfeedback(a)cycling74.com). Cray "undo" on bip-hop_ Enhanced video CD -out now "comment" 3"cd on fallt -now out "untitled i/o" track on Strewth (Synaesthesia) compilation -March 2002 "seven satellite" track on Bip Hop 4 comp - out now "erros$" track on VibraGun compilation - out now " " track on Motion Compilation - June 2002 "rooms" art installation with Marcus Struzina - July 2002 Tennis Remix - Hard Drive Mishap56 - Sept 2002 Bip Hop http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/newroom/toptens/cray.shtml

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[GEM] multi-displays in win2k
by chris clepper 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

ok. i have gem going in win2k and i have two displays (one crt for the patch, tv for the gemwin) driven by a geforce2 card. i have the extended desktop going but i would like to do the following: - have unequal sized displays (the crt 1024x768 + tv 640x480). right now i can only do 1600x600 even though the card can do many different combinations of resolutions. i can do this in linux, but can't get it going in win2k using nview. - move the gemwin without the border. i checked the code and it doesn't seem like the position of the window can be set through an argument or message like a [position X, Y]. perhaps also when creating the context there could be a [fullscreen n] message where n is the display number?? or is there some easy way to drag the thing without the title bar that i don't know about... - get rid of the stupid task bar. i checked the hide task bar feature but there is still a sliver of it at the bottom of the screen. it's on both screens which is even more annoying. thanks cgc

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[announce]seg_0.05
by Damien HENRY 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

Dear list. Seg_0.05 is out : I've had some basics physics behaviors to the seg object. This is done with mostly 4 simple abstractions : mass, spring, damping & force. Thoses abstractions can be uses without seg. (it could be very nice to uses them with GEM for ex.) you can find all of this @ http://dh7.free.fr + somes new screenshots. cheers. Damien.

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8-channel and pd->max questions
by João Miguel Pais 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

Dear list, I had two different questions to ask: 1st: - I am trying to install PD in my school, where the pc there (w98) has two soundcards: the standard stereo (analog devices' soundmax), and a more "serious" eight channel board (Prodif T 2496). The result of pd -listdev is the following: midi output device #1: Microsoft GS wavetable SW synth audio input device #1: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF1 1/2 audio input device #2: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF1 3/4 audio input device #3: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF1 5/6 audio input device #4: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF1 7/8 audio input device #5: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF2 1/2 audio input device #6: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF2 3/4 audio input device #7: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF2 5/6 audio input device #8: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF2 7/8 audio input device #9: SoundMAX Digital Audio audio output device #1: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF1 1/2 audio output device #2: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF1 3/4 audio output device #3: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF1 5/6 audio output device #4: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF1 7/8 audio output device #5: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF2 1/2 audio output device #6: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF2 3/4 audio output device #7: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF2 5/6 audio output device #8: Prodif T 2496 : TDIF2 7/8 audio output device #9: SoundMAX Digital Audio For some reason, I cannot make pd to use the prodif card. If I start pd with no options, it will use the normal stereo board, but when I use options such as -soundoutdev 1, I get a reply from the system "waveoutopen device: MMSYSTEM004 The device is being used. Repeat the process when the device is free." (I'm translating from german, so the english message might be not equal) Of course that no other program is or was open at the time, and the program works with no sound. I wanted to ask, if this is a problem from the soundboard, or it is related to pd (or if has anybody encountered something similar). But also if I would want to use the 8 channels, which kind of parameters would be necessary to choose, since when nothing is specified pd uses the stereo board. Something like this? -soundoutdev 1 -soundoutdev 2 -soundoutdev 3 -soundoutdev 4 -outchannels 8 ------ 2nd question: I'm trying to make patches that might work on pd and max. Is there a kind of script that makes an automatic change of the objects when necessary? For example, osc~ should change to cycle~ when the file is saved as pat, that bang, toggle objects and float atoms are recognised, etc. From browsing the text files, it seems that it would be easily solved in a simple way, just adapting the output format of pd to max's input format. I am not a programmer and don't know much of this kind of code, but I can browse the files a little better to know what to change, if somebody would be interested in developing this aspect. Is there also any place where there is a "compatibility archive" between both programs, or, where objects from max that doesn't exist in pd are stored? (and also the opposite, although here might not be the most appropriate place to ask) I was using the latest test of pd, and also the latest of max (I think it was 4). João Miguel Pais

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again comport object win2k
by rat＠telecoma.net 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

hi, in mail http://iem.kug.ac.at/mailinglists/pd-list/2001-12/0159.html from mark newman seems to be a solution for the win2k comport object: ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// I grabbed Winfried Ritsch's comport object and code from http://iem.kug.ac.at/ritsch/programmier/pd_externals/ ... as I assume you have already done, and I was able to get it to work on Win2K for reading data, though I had to make one minor adjustment. I changed the arguments to CreateFile inside the open_serial method so that it uses non-overlapped (i.e., blocking) reads. Here's the actual call, with my changes: fd = CreateFile( sys_com_port[com_nr], rw, 0, 0, OPEN_EXISTING, /* FILE_FLAG_OVERLAPPED */ 0, // changed to non-overlapped --mwn 0); ... and now it works. I believe this is the correct way to open the port, since the code is in fact polling (every millisecond, by default) and not in fact using asynchronous reads. Changing the object to use overlapped/asynchronous reads would probably be an even better fix, but that'll have to be for another time. Unfortunately I can't provide an example patch offhand that uses the fixed comport since for performance reasons I had to further modify the object to work with the A/D converter I was talking to--so it's not really the same object anymore. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// unfortunately i m not in possession of a win c compiler. could somebody plz help me out to compile it ? i would assume that there are more people out there who would be interested in having it working under win2k. thx erich

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(GEM) pix_movie & pix_add ?
by Andre Schmidt 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

yep, me again :) i get "error: Gem: pix object cannot handle gray image" when sending pix_movie(s) to pix_add... (same error with pix_mask too) i'm using MJPEG coded videos (yes, they are in color. but i don't think this the problem) (win2k, pd0.35-17, gem 0.85) cheers -andre ps. maybe i should use pix_multiimage instead...

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