Pd-list October 1999

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Coding
by christian hresko 22 Oct '99

22 Oct '99

have a very quick question that isn't exactly pd related, but any feedback would be greatly appreciated. i'm doing an interdisciplinary study (B.S.) in Sound Synthesis and DSP and am debating what comp sci classes i should take. is java useful for any synthesis / realtime applications or should i stick with C++? (i know java has a higher latency, but the object oriented code isn't machine proprietary... instant porting) that's all. thanks, christian -- " there's nothing worse in life than being ordinary "

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Re: Coding
by Israelbenz＠aol.com 22 Oct '99

22 Oct '99

I was talking to some cat last night, and he said something about JavaSynth (spelling?) being really great. I know another person who did a modularized version of CSound using Java resources. My take on the subject is that Java is great for some things, but as I believe someone noted on this list, the Java honeymoon is over. I'm personally a fan of C++. Perhaps a good approach would be to do the guts of your app(s) in portable C++, recompiling as needed for target platforms, and then do the front end in Java. Maybe this will give you the best of both worlds. Ben, Sometimes you can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream. --Frank Zappa

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17 Oct '99

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Re: conjugal symbols
by Israelbenz＠aol.com 15 Oct '99

15 Oct '99

My understanding is that this behavior is not any diferrent then makefilename. For example, a makefilename object declared thus: makefilename foobar%s when "passed" the message 'symbol dog' would output symbol foobardog. Furthermore, unless I'm missing something important, this means that the strcat and makefilename objects provide essentially identical functionality. I'd like to put in my humble request at this time for a single object which provides for the concatenation of some arbitrary number of symbols AND numbers into a single symbol. If I understood Miller's earlier reply, he's already working on this. Ben, Sometimes you can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream. --Frank Zappa

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ggext 0.10 library-linking problem
by dieter＠rhiz.org 12 Oct '99

12 Oct '99

hi! when i try to compile the new ggexternals i get ld -export_dynamic -shared -o ggext.pd_linux *.o -lstk -lc -lm -lstdc++-3-libc6.1-2-2.10.0 -lpthread ld: cannot open -lstdc++-3-libc6.1-2-2.10.0: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden and when i start pd with -lib ../ggext/ggext i get tried /usr/local/pd/ggext/ggext.pd_linux and succeeded /usr/local/pd/ggext/ggext.pd_linux: /usr/local/pd/ggext/ggext.pd_linux: undefined symbol: __builtin_new /usr/local/pd/ggext/ggext: can't load library what is missing, what is wrong? help, bitte danke DIETER -- ******************************************************************* don't forget to say hello to echelon: abhoermethoden, bombe, cia ,datenklau , echelon, freak, grundrecht, hacking, iridium, joint, kommunismus, lauschangriff, mailbombing, nur in den mund genommen, oecalan, pgp, querulant, rasterfahndung, stoersender, tristero, urheberrechtsverletzung, volksfest, wanze, xenophob, yuan, zukunft *******************************************************************

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Re: conjugal symbols
by Israelbenz＠aol.com 12 Oct '99

12 Oct '99

In a message dated 10/11/1999 6:10:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Iain.Mott(a)cmis.CSIRO.AU writes: << the main difference between strcat and makefilename is that you can't write something like "makefilename $1%s" - although Miller tells me this will soon be possible. Within an abstraction, strcat allows you to place a $1 type argument within it. - i've then been using loadbang connected to a "symbol $2" object to feed the second argument into the "strcat $1". -> problem solved. >> Thanks for the clarification on the distinction between strcat and makefilename. Ben, Sometimes you can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream. --Frank Zappa

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RE: conjugal symbols
by Iain.Mott＠cmis.CSIRO.AU 12 Oct '99

12 Oct '99

> If this is how makefilename works, then great. I don't think that > strcat will ever go away, since it has been around for over 3 > years now > (I use it in my pieces, in any event), but it would make sense to find > one object which we promote as the "right one". > thanks for the tip about strcat. This works - as long as i use symbols as arguments and not numbers. and this is ok for what i'm doing, so a big relief! the main difference between strcat and makefilename is that you can't write something like "makefilename $1%s" - although Miller tells me this will soon be possible. Within an abstraction, strcat allows you to place a $1 type argument within it. - i've then been using loadbang connected to a "symbol $2" object to feed the second argument into the "strcat $1". -> problem solved. thanks, iain

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Re: conjugal symbols
by Israelbenz＠aol.com 11 Oct '99

11 Oct '99

To conclude my request for a new and imporved makefilename/strcat type object, I think it be useful if it'd look something like: concat "I like %s %d times a week" where there'd be an inlet mapped to each variable to be substituted in the string. Naturally there's no need to require providing anything other then the variable types to be concatenated. e.g. concat "%s %s" This would provide a mechanism for dynamically creating text, which could be output as part of a performance and simultaneously used to control other processes. I'm just thinking out loud (or whatever the email equivalent is). Any ideas? Ben, Sometimes you can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream. --Frank Zappa

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RE: conjugal symbols
by Mark Danks 11 Oct '99

11 Oct '99

> -----Original Message----- > From: Israelbenz(a)aol.com [mailto:Israelbenz@aol.com] > Subject: Re: conjugal symbols > <snip> > Furthermore, unless I'm missing something important, this > means that the > strcat and makefilename objects provide essentially identical > functionality. > I'd like to put in my humble request at this time for a > single object which If this is how makefilename works, then great. I don't think that strcat will ever go away, since it has been around for over 3 years now (I use it in my pieces, in any event), but it would make sense to find one object which we promote as the "right one". Later, Mark ============================ = mdanks(a)stormfront.com = http://www.danks.org/mark ============================

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RE: conjugal symbols
by Mark Danks 11 Oct '99

11 Oct '99

Actually, there is a way if you have GEM. There is an object called strcat which was made to do exactly this (although the implementation is a little strange...) Make an object "strcat foobar" Then, every message which is passed into the inlet will be appended to the foobar string. So for instance, if you had a message box with "symbol dog", it would output foobardog. Be aware that numbers are floating point and they end up being _really_ long numbers (with lots of zeros). This is because they used to be ints and the code never changed. Later, Mark ============================ = mdanks(a)stormfront.com = http://www.danks.org/mark ============================ > -----Original Message----- > From: Miller Puckette [mailto:mpuckett@man104-1.UCSD.EDU] > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 1:47 PM > To: Iain.Mott(a)cmis.CSIRO.AU; pd-list(a)iem.mhsg.ac.at > Subject: Re: conjugal symbols > > > Sorry, I don't think there's any way, short of writing a new > object to do this. When I get argument concatenation to work, > you'll be able to say "makefilename $1%s". > > Miller > > > > > i'm stuck trying to join two symbols together eg. "23" + "phrase1" = > > "23phrase1". > > > ... > > > >-- End of excerpt from Iain.Mott(a)cmis.CSIRO.AU > > >

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