Pd-dev February 2009

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2613178 ] dounload tutorials
by SourceForge.net 18 Feb '09

18 Feb '09

Bugs item #2613178, was opened at 2009-02-18 16:22 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2613178&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: pd-extended Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: David Docherty (dd_182) Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: dounload tutorials Initial Comment: My firend has it on pc and it comes with premade programs/ tutorials i cant find these on my mac, where can i get them or where will they be stored ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2613178&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2613011 ] popup crashes with pd-0.42 and GOP
by SourceForge.net 18 Feb '09

18 Feb '09

Bugs item #2613011, was opened at 2009-02-18 16:34 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2613011&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: externals Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Assigned to: B. Bogart (bbogart) Summary: popup crashes with pd-0.42 and GOP Initial Comment: using [popup] with a brand-new Pd (0.42-4) just crashes when used in a graph-on-parent. to reproduce, put the [popup-gop-test] (taht comes with popup) abstraction into a new patch. this happened on linux and osx. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2613011&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2610742 ] document start/stop on readsf~ to match writesf~
by SourceForge.net 18 Feb '09

18 Feb '09

Bugs item #2610742, was opened at 2009-02-17 19:15 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2610742&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Private: No Submitted By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: document start/stop on readsf~ to match writesf~ Initial Comment: writesf~ uses start/stop messages, while readsf~ can use start/stop and 1/0. The readsf~-help.pd patch only documents the 1/0. This update adds the existing start/stop messages. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2610742&group_…

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Open Call PdCon09
by Alexandre Porres 17 Feb '09

17 Feb '09

Sorry of any inconvenience, it is just that I really would like people everywhere to join us on the effort of spreading the open call to every corner of interest around the world... help us make this a great event with people from all over the world. Thanks a bunch Alex ---------------------- Please Check the info below, and the attached PDF... spread it out! Thanks.... PdCon09/CALL FOR WORKS: PdCon09 is the "Third International Puredata Convention", to happen in São Paulo-Brazil/July 2009 EMAIL: <<pdcon09(a)estudiolivre.org>> NEWS (feb 15th): - Online Submission procedure is opening on monday 16th!!! - New Templates and Forms will be posted when the submission is opened! - WE HAVE A NEW DEADLINE FOR THE SUBMISSION OF WORKS, MONDAY MARCH 15TH OF 2009!!! ABOUT THE EVENT: Puredata, or just Pd <http://puredata.info/>, is an open source tool for multimedia programming. Because of its open source nature, much of its development result from a community effort of developers worldwide. Some centers do have more people engaged, like the places that held the two previous conventions. the first convention took place in Graz, Austria, in 2004 http://puredata.info/community/projects/convention04/. The second happened in Montreal, Canada, in 2007 http://pure-data.ca/en/. It is a great satisfaction that we continue this event by bringing it to yet another continent, with the intent to promote the formation of an important group of developers locally. In fact, in may of 2008, we had a national convention in Brazil http://www.estudiolivre.org/tiki-index.php?page=Encontro%20PD, which followed the same format of the previous international conventions, and worked as a first gathering to organize this international event. The format includes the show of artistic works, academic works, discussion regarding the interests of the community, and diverse courses. CALL FOR WORKS VS. 2.5 (FEB 15TH) GENERAL CALL We invite artists, producers, developers and further enthusiasts of the open source tool Puredata to send works and projects alike in the following categories: A) Art Festival: (Art Installations, Concerts, Performances & Audiovisual Presentations). B) Mini-Courses & Workshops. C) Paper Sessions/Posters. D) Round Tables & Discussions. Applicants are invited to submit in multiple categories, especially if related (example: paper + artwork) - not that this will favor in the selection process. Please note we are looking for a diverse collection of works, hence there might be a selection among several similar proposals (and more unique and original ones might have some advantage). Let us know if you have an institution support that may cover travel expenses, we are looking for partnerships to help with funds. The event will be held in Sao Paulo, Brazil, from July 19th to july 26th, 2009. Possible (yet to be properly officialized) Locations & Partnerships: - MIS, Sao Paulo's Museum of Image & Sound. - PUC, School of Multimedia & Design. - SESC-SP, Sao Paulo. Promotional Support: - CCSL (FOSS Competence Center) http://ccsl.ime.usp.br/ WE HAVE A NEW DEADLINE FOR THE SUBMISSION OF WORKS: MONDAY MARCH 15TH OF 2009!!! Acceptance notice: APRIL 10th, 2009! Here is the address to send works & questions to: pdcon09(a)estudiolivre.org Addresses of the Official webpage for news updates & more info: http://convention.puredata.info http://estudiolivre.org/pdcon09 Proposals for the Art Festival: Performances, Concerts, Audiovisual Presentations & Art Installations (audio And/Or Visual): As it is the general concept of the event, we long for the discussion regarding the aesthetics and politics of Free / Open Source Software Culture & technology. In such context, we welcome all forms of works related to audio and/or visual, including real-time interactive works, improvisations, Live electronics/instrumental/electroacoustic mixes, Sound installations, Performances, Network art, Robotics, Software Art and Interdisciplinary works. Demonstrations and General Info about Artistic works can be submitted online in Portuguese, Spanish, or English. Please, specify the necessary materials so we can do our best to provide them. If language is a part of the artwork, the festival is open to any idiom, although subtitles in English should be provided when applicable. We look for art installations that adopted Puredata in its development. Nevertheless, at the last extent, we are open for works realized under the context of Puredata (using puredata in some part of the process) as well as open source tools. We are looking for partners to help us with tickets. Any suggestion is welcome. Note for ART-INSTALLATIONS (Audio And/Or Visual): In order to avoid dependence on travel funds from the event, it would be nice to have some works installed without the need for the artist(s) to be on-site. This also implies that such works should be technically simple. Call for Posters/Papers: Abstracts and papers may be submitted in English. The works will be organized in categories depending on what we receive. At first, we contemplate a greater distinction into 3 categories: Technical, Artistic and Theoretical. The topics are generally open to the usage of Puredata in interactive art production/research, the philosophy and social aspect of Free Open Source Culture, and scientific research. Some possible themes could include: - Programming Puredata externals - Puredata versus Max/MSP - Puredata versus SuperCollider, CSound, Processing and alike - Hacking Puredata - Future Projections for Puredata - Hacktivist culture - OpenContent and Creative Commons versus Intellectual Property forms - Finding an Art Historical context for Open-Source Software Art - Sampling and Plunderphonics as artistic strategies - Computer-Supported Cooperative Work - Networking - Live Coding - Philosophy, Culture and Sociology of Open Source Software and Open Works - Aesthetics of New Media/New Technology Art - Using Puredata in Science/Research & Artistic Works: (Digital Signal Processing, Generative Works, Artificial Intelligence/Life & Computer-Aided Work in General, User Interfaces - Human computer interaction/Virtual reality interaction -, Realtime Performance, Auditory/Visual perception and cognition, Acoustics/Psychoacoustics Modeling, Sound Synthesis, Timbre & Sound Models, Biological and medical uses of Puredata. And so on... Check Submission of Works for Poster & Paper guidelines If you wish to send a Poster, the limit is 4 pages, other works are limited to 6 pages. SUBMISSION OF WORKS: Round Table and Discussions should be proposed on the puredata list: http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list, to be discussed and decided upon previously by the community and participants in general. The rest needs to be sent through our online system, with the provided Paper Template And Forms The online submission is due to open on monday, Feb 16th of 2009, check http://convention.puredata.info for news and links. Questions about it must be sent to <figocris(a)gmail.com>. Poster Guidelines: 120cm height x 90cm wide Papers are limited to 6 pages and must be submitted as PDFs. If you wish to send a Poster, please send a short Paper limited to 4 pages. We are studying the possibility of publishing the works online (both papers & Posters) in digital/hypertextual format s well as in a printed version with DVD-ROM. --------------------- http://convention.puredata.info pdcon09(a)estudiolivre.org

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porting proprietary lib to pd - possible?
by volker böhm 17 Feb '09

17 Feb '09

just a quick question: i'm thinking about building max/pd objects from a speech-synth lib. the lib is proprietary and i'm not allowed to give away the source. does it still comply with the pd license to make this publicly available as binaries only? i would think, yes, but am grateful for any comments. thanks, volker.

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Re: [PD-dev] stripping down Pd-extended's default libs
by ydegoyon＠free.fr 17 Feb '09

17 Feb '09

> >> Gem cyclone zexy creb cxc iemlib list-abs mapping markex maxlib memento mjlib motex oscx pddp pdogg pixeltango pmpd rradical sigpack smlib toxy unauthorized vbap pan freeverb hcs jmmmp ext13 ggee iem_anything flib ekext flatspace pdp pidip >> >> I think it should be something like: >> >> cyclone zexy creb iemlib ggee iem_anything flatspace >> i don't understand the real goal of extended, wasn't it to include as much libraries as possible? ( and not to rewrite the gui ? ) second, i dunno why you made unauthorized into a lib, when it was really allright to have all objects separated in extra.. thus loaded when needed. you never asked my opinion about this neither... and also people writing on the list saying you shouldn't use that external, i have a brilliant workaround, etc... i see that the pd community if ever it existed is now getting a pyramidal structure where some people take decisions for all, cool.. xiaooo, sevy

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Re: [PD-dev] stripping down Pd-extended's default libs
by ydegoyon＠free.fr 16 Feb '09

16 Feb '09

> hmm, they would all remain in the distribution, they would just not be loaded by default. > the patch-author would have to load libraries explicitly, which would make it (hopefully) more compatible with other distributions of Pd. not exactly true, precisely the loading library from within the patch is exactly the less compatible feature between pd's versions, if ever it really works for good in one version all i know that really works is with -lib ... > most modern programming languages do not implicitly include 3rd (or even 1st) party libraries (even though they are included in the standard distro); see java, perl,... it was perfectly perl-like when obkect were left in extra and didn't need explicit loading.. xiaoo, sevy

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[ pure-data-Bugs-2605731 ] alsaadd somewhat broken
by SourceForge.net 16 Feb '09

16 Feb '09

Bugs item #2605731, was opened at 2009-02-16 15:25 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2605731&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: IOhannes m zmlnig (zmoelnig) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: alsaadd somewhat broken Initial Comment: i am trying to run Pd with virtual alsa-devices (created in my ~/.asoundrc). i figured that i have to use the "-alsaadd" cmdline-flag to make Pd aware of the newly added devices. so i start "pd -alsaadd jack12 -alsa". changing the used device via the "audio settings" menu, i can select "jack12" in the INPUT-selection, but the OUTPUT-selection usually only shows garbage (e.g. "@" or other weird characters). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=2605731&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-2584887 ] bonk ignores relative paths when reading templates
by SourceForge.net 16 Feb '09

16 Feb '09

Patches item #2584887, was opened at 2009-02-10 07:12 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=2584887&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Frank Barknecht (fbar) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: bonk ignores relative paths when reading templates Initial Comment: bonk~ can not open previously stored attack templates when only a relative path is supplied to the "read templates.txt" message. bonk~ also ignores any [declare] declarations when searching for template files and only works with absolute paths or templates in the working directory PPd was started from. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2009-02-15 23:29 Message: one detail: MAXPDSTRING is longer than FILENAME_MAX on Windows, so to prevent crasher bugs, any time a file path is stored, FILENAME_MAX should be used instead of MAXPDSTRING. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Frank Barknecht (fbar) Date: 2009-02-10 11:07 Message: Okay, attached is a patch that changes the "read" and "write" messages to use canvas-relative paths. Tested only briefly, but seems to work. Diff against current SVN HEAD. File Added: bonk~.c.diff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Frank Barknecht (fbar) Date: 2009-02-10 07:19 Message: bonk~ should probably use the canvas_open() method to open files instead of a plain fdopen() ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=2584887&group_…

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pd-devel code structure meeting on IRC
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 16 Feb '09

16 Feb '09

Hey all, Now that the core of Pd-devel is working, and other people are starting to mess with it, I figure its a good time to have an IRC meeting about it. At this point, the code is working but could be structured much better. So I think it would be useful to have a meeting about how the code is structured now and how it should be structured. One thing I am realizing is that the code would probably be a lot cleaner if it was organized in a more Object-oriented style. I am not sure that using incr Tcl or things like that are the way, I think we could probably just organize things into packages that act like object classes, but I am open to other things. How about next Thursday or Friday? Here is one proposed time, which we can adjust spending on who can make it: * 9.00 Pacific Time * 11.00 Central Time * 12.00 Eastern Time/PET * 15.00 BRST/Sao Paulo * 17.00 GMT/Zulu * 18.00 Central European CET * 19.00 EET/Istanbul/Cairo * 23.00 IST/Chennai * 1.00 CST/Taipei http://tinyurl.com/pdmtgtime I am on irc://irc.freenode.net/dataflow a lot, feel free to ping me about this any time. .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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