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[ pure-data-Patches-3418895 ] updated configure.ac for puredata_opencv
by SourceForge.net 08 Oct '11

08 Oct '11

Patches item #3418895, was opened at 2011-10-05 04:30 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by ricardofabbri You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3418895&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: externals Group: bugfix Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Ricardo Fabbri (ricardofabbri) >Assigned to: lluís gómez i bigordà (lluisbigorda) Summary: updated configure.ac for puredata_opencv Initial Comment: basically newer autoconf require AC_INIT to have some mandatory arguments, so this patch is strictly necessary for continuing development of puredata_opencv. without this patch autoconf will not generate configure from configure.ac. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Ricardo Fabbri (ricardofabbri) Date: 2011-10-07 22:22 Message: guessing lluis is the right person.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Ricardo Fabbri (ricardofabbri) Date: 2011-10-05 04:35 Message: I took the initiative to put lluiz's email in the configure.ac AC_INIT; If you're not comfortable with that I can put my email, although I am not the main dev. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Ricardo Fabbri (ricardofabbri) Date: 2011-10-05 04:32 Message: BTW this is against the latest svn. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3418895&group_…

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pd double autobuilds
by katja 08 Oct '11

08 Oct '11

Hans, I'm sorry to say that Pd-0.43.1-double-20111007-macosx106-x86_64.dmg is again a single precision build. If I build from the pd-double.git sources, an i386 build with 32 bit float precision is the default output. This may be so because I am on OSX 10.5. I've pushed a change to pd-double.git, to display the precision message at start up with log level 2 instead of 3, so the message won't go unnoticed. Katja

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[ pure-data-Bugs-3420448 ] Gem has undefined symbol
by SourceForge.net 07 Oct '11

07 Oct '11

Bugs item #3420448, was opened at 2011-10-07 23:54 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by elvettsemic You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3420448&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: pd-extended Group: v0.43 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Thomas Mayer (elvettsemic) Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: Gem has undefined symbol Initial Comment: Using the nightly build of pd-extended, Gem has undefined symbol and refuses to load (alongside other libraries). /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_linux: /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_linux: undefined symbol: __sync_fetch_and_add_4 Gem: can't load library memento: can't load library pixeltango: can't load library rradical: can't load library toxy: can't load library Pd version: 0.43.1-extended-20111007 Debian i386 Wheezy/Sid ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3420448&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3420438 ] Ctrl-Enter doesn't accept the entered text (in 0.42 works)
by SourceForge.net 07 Oct '11

07 Oct '11

Patches item #3420438, was opened at 2011-10-07 16:57 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3420438&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. >Category: puredata >Group: None Status: Open >Resolution: Fixed Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) >Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: Ctrl-Enter doesn't accept the entered text (in 0.42 works) Initial Comment: Create an object, start writting and press Ctrl-Enter: 0.42: It accepts the entered text and it is ready to move with arrow keys. 0.43: Ctrl-Enter works like Enter. The same if I click in any object. I would have to mark a rectangle to select only a box to start moving with keys. It was faster to click, Ctrl-Enter, move. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-07 17:23 Message: Oops, yes, that was an oversight in the GUI rewrite. I attached a patch to fix it, as well as GUI plugin to fix it now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3420438&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-3420438 ] Ctrl-Enter doesn't accept the entered text (in 0.42 works)
by SourceForge.net 07 Oct '11

07 Oct '11

Bugs item #3420438, was opened at 2011-10-07 20:57 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by nobody You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3420438&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: v0.43 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Ctrl-Enter doesn't accept the entered text (in 0.42 works) Initial Comment: Create an object, start writting and press Ctrl-Enter: 0.42: It accepts the entered text and it is ready to move with arrow keys. 0.43: Ctrl-Enter works like Enter. The same if I click in any object. I would have to mark a rectangle to select only a box to start moving with keys. It was faster to click, Ctrl-Enter, move. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3420438&group_…

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Re: [PD-dev] Mac OS X 10.5 vs zexy's autogen.sh
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 07 Oct '11

07 Oct '11

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 22:42 +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/05/2011 10:04 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 21:42 +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> On 10/05/2011 09:18 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >>> > >>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 12:45 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > >>> > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>> Hash: SHA1 > >>>> > >>>> On 2011-10-05 18:16, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:05 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> The logfile I see says its set to: > >>>>> > >>>>> PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin > >>>>> > >>>>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2011-10-05/logs/2011-10-05_03.15.… > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> the same logfiles also says: > >>>> PATH: /sw/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin > >>> > >>> Ah, I see, where you post it in zexy/autogen.sh. But the build > >>> environment has: > >>> > >>> PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin > >>> > >> > >> yes, i was trying to explain that (zexy's, but also Pd's) autogen.sh > >> prepends the /sw/bin/ to the path manually. > >> > >> > >>>> which suggests that your libtool setup is broken :-) > >>>> > >>>> you could try comparing the ./libtool generated on your machine and the > >>>> one generated on the PdLab machine. > >>> > >>> seems so, I did a reinstall and 'svn up' and it now builds on my machine. > >> > >> > >> ah cool > >> so at least OSX world is happy again :-) > > > > Its closer, but not quite there, the build this afternoon failed again > > on the same thing: > > > > not quite. > zexy finished fine! > but it failed when building Gem (from which zexy inherited its > autogen.sh script) > > it's fixed in Gem's git, though not in Gem's svn. > > i really wonder why the problems appear now, as the relevant script has > been in use for several months now) Perhaps your zexy scripts are modifying the build environment? It first calls "make all" on everything, which would run the ./autogen.sh scripts, then it runs "make install". Just a guess. .hc

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[ pure-data-Patches-3418851 ] read startup config files from /etc/puredata/conf.d
by SourceForge.net 07 Oct '11

07 Oct '11

Patches item #3418851, was opened at 2011-10-05 05:19 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by zmoelnig You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3418851&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: feature Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: read startup config files from /etc/puredata/conf.d Initial Comment: Hello, I was looking at using puredata from debian, and currently, it's a bit of a mess, if I want to use PD + gem, I need to install both, and then mess up with config files, or, as the readme suggest (Readme.Debian), launch pd with an extenssive commandline: | to start Pd with Gem support, issue the command (without the '%' sign) | | % pd -path /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem -lib Gem | | OR | | use the provided script instead of directly starting Pd: | | % /usr/bin/pd-gem | | OR | | start Pd | - navigate to "File->Path..." and add "/usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem" to the list of search-paths | - click OK | - navigate to "File->Startup..." and add "Gem" to the list of binaries to be loaded | - click "Apply" and "Save all settings" | | OR | | add the following lines to your ~/.pdrc file (deprecated) | | -path /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem | -lib Gem I think it'd be better to automatially include a file, that's what this patch is all about (and to be able to make a pd extenssion debian policy). tell me what you think ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-07 14:45 Message: .pdrc? i hope you are aware, that .pdrc has been deprecated or a long time and the current state of affairs is to use .pdsettings (at least on linux) as for [declare]: look at the help-patch for [declare], the source-code (g_canvas.c) and the mailing-list archives for a discussion of its problems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-06 07:40 Message: @zmoelnig @eighthave: ok it'll be easier to first read /etc/puredata/pd.conf then ~/.pdrc do you want a patch doing that ? then, where can I look into [declare] stuff ? (sorry...quite a newbie here) but anyway, I guess we'll still need each module to be able to declare how to load itself, so I can have the patch say something as easy as: need gem need blah and then pd would look for a descriptor for the 'gem' and 'blah' module, and load specific files. so I guess it means 0001 and 0003 and 0004 should get merged, and then we should build ontop of that ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-05 20:13 Message: From the point of view of hardware config, it makes sense to have a global config, I agree. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 18:47 Message: i think it is good to make it easier to embed preferences in the patch. i also think that [declare] should be made nicer. this doesn't keep me from thinking that a global configuration would be a good idea, esp. when you can configure the (system specific) hardware and the like. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-05 18:38 Message: I think that the -conf flag is a good idea and should be included and generalized for all platforms. But I think that the /etc/puredata/conf-enabled stuff is not a good idea because it serves to reinforce the issues that cause this problem in the first place. We should be making it easier for people to embed the configuration in the patch, by doing things like improving [declare]. We should not make it easier to move the configuration globally, which means we have even more patches that are unshareable because they rely on a custom, global config. Just look at any other programming language, the libs that a program needs are declared in the program itself (import, using, declare, #include, etc), not globally in the user's config. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-05 17:34 Message: Ok, so I refreshed my patches to take into account some things said here: http://core.evilgiggle.com/~xaiki/puredata/ (you can call me xaiki) 0001-give-an-argument-to-sys_rcfile-and-expand-with-realp.patch hasn't changed, needed for 0002 and 0003 0002-import-configs-form-etc-puredata-conf.d-on-start.patch will now look into /etc/puredata/conf-enabled so we can setup an apache/lighttpd like dir with a puredata-conf-enable script (that we can steal away) 0003-implement-conf-arg-to-specify-config-file.patch add a -conf argument, using 0001 0004-make-conf-trigger-nopref-so-we-don-t-load-default-if.patch this will make that -conf argument not use the default conf when triggered, actually, it could be a bit smarter (i.e. checking if we could actually read something... but well) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-10-05 16:13 Message: @h-tee-tee-pee-yes: If you were looking at help patches, the [import] object is excluded because libdir externals put the binaries in the same directory as the help patches. It does seem weird to have to import the import object. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 13:09 Message: note, that even if all your patches were implemented, i would still rather NOT enable all apt-installed pdlibs by default (i guess i am with hans here) instead, the sysadmin ought to decide on a case-by-case basis (something like apache's /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-05 12:44 Message: @zmoelnig: (really, things are easier to discuss via mail =)) the first patch only alows to specify a config file from C, yet, we could easily make it a command line switch to be able to specify a file (or a directory) to load. @zmoelnig: I'm a puredata beginer, but I'm concerned that pd-gem allows you to load only 1 extention at a time, what if you want gem + pidip + xxx ? I don't think it's an elegant solution. @eighthave: good to know, that said, it doesn't seem widely used, I was looking at some docs, and some projects and no patch I found was implementing this, so I think it's easier to fix Debian/PD to include some/all installed ext, than fix all patches in the wild. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 09:31 Message: about the given patch: this is definitely a nice idea (i haven't looked at the patch though), and allows to easily switch between predefined flavours of your installed Pd. i think it's a way better solution than the config-switcher.sh script that comes with current Pd-extended, as it doesn't require write access in the home-directory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 09:21 Message: @anonymous(how i hate the openID implementation on sf): i don't see how starting "pd-gem" is "messing up with config files" or "launching "with an extensive commandline". alternatively, you can always launch pd/Gem from the menu @eighthave: using [declare] or [import] is one of many options how to load library. other ways have their value as well, and i don't think we should force people to do something (even if we do believe that they should do it) (and yes, i am not always true to this suggestion myself :-)) finally, the two patches submitted are somewhat independent (though related): - having the opportunity to force the use of a given preference file - implementing an /etc/*/conf.d/ style config cascade i would suggest submitting them separately. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-05 06:05 Message: For loading libraries, you should do it directly in the patch using either [declare -lib] or [import] (apt-get install puredata-import). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-05 05:22 Message: ok,... I can't seem to add my second patch,... you can find everything in: http://core.evilgiggle.com/~xaiki/puredata/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3418851&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3383472 ] tooltips part 3: the saga continues
by SourceForge.net 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

Patches item #3383472, was opened at 2011-08-01 01:22 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jancsika1 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3383472&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: tooltips part 3: the saga continues Initial Comment: Here's a new angle on the tooltips idea that adds three somewhat related functions to Pd: 1) "Autotips", available from the "Edit" menu. Parses help patches on the fly when the mouse enters an object/xlet. (Works the same with abstractions, too.) 2) Manual tips through a "tip" canvas method. 3) An "echo" canvas method, which just passes a message to a canvas without displaying it. (Useful in conjunction with the "get" method from my other patch, and probably other contexts as well.) It's all done with some canvas bindings in tcl and a few canvas methods, so neither t_class nor t_widgetbehavior is touched. However, if it's desirable to add <Enter> and <Leave> widgetbehaviors at a later date, it should be possible without changing any of the code in this patch. Hopefuly I "diff'd" correctly, against vanilla 0.43.0. (Works for me in Fedora 15...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-10-06 15:28 Message: No, it's exactly the same. However, I will be changing it because I found a bug. 1) Turn on edit mode and autotips. 2) Make a patch with a big matrix of [b] objects. Make it big enough so that it takes Pd a little while to close the patch after closing the patch window with the mouse. 3) Close the patch window, then as quickly as you can, move the mouse to the middle of an object. Bug! The patch closes, and you get a tk error for a "bad window pathname". This is because there is an Enter event when you mouse over the object, but no corresponding Leave event to cancel generating the tooltip when that object gets deleted from under the mouse. Any thoughts on the best approach to fixing this? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-06 15:01 Message: Oops, I just saw the updated file now, were there any changes since tips-rev2.diff? If so, I didn't include them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-06 14:28 Message: Ok, works on Ubuntu for me now, I"m including it in Pd-extended. I added a keybinding and menu item to match the other editor meta items (autopatch, magic glass, etc.) Jonathan, if you wanted, you could make the Autotips a per-patch option using the technique I did for magicglass. Its not saved between Pd sessions, but it is while Pd is running. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-10-06 14:23 Message: Yes it is. I deleting the old files and have the new gzip file with the revised patch and help files. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-06 14:03 Message: For future reference, you should delete the older revisions of files from the tracker and only include the current files. I'm trying this now on Ubuntu/natty/i386. I'm guessing that tips-rev2.diff is the right file ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2011-09-27 20:48 Message: Latest revision tested on Ubuntu Maverick (32 bit). Works for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 22:40 Message: Thanks IOhannes, I would have never caught that myself. The pd-externals-howto says: "If more arguments are to be passed to the object or if the order of atomtypes should by (sic) more flexible, A_GIMME can be used for passing an arbitrary list of atoms." Is there another place where this is addressed? I added another revision. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 17:50 Message: The manual tip works with or without Autotips checked. Nothing else shows up either way with the Autotips checked or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-09-26 15:32 Message: it doesn't work, because the code is broken. canvas_enterobj)( is declared as having 4 arguments of type A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_SYMBOL, A_FLOAT! this is something that Pd's dispatcher cannot handle correctly: A_FLOAT must never be followed by A_SYMBOL. if you want a message like that, you have to use A_GIMME and parse the message yourself. afair, this is documented in the pd-externals-howto. (you might be lucky on 64bit, that for some reasons it worked for you; do not rely on that) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 14:39 Message: Hm, not sure what to do other than ask the obvious. So I'll do that: Do you get an "Autotips" checkbutton under the "Edit" menu? If so, did you check it? Do you get a little blue box in the bottom left-hand corner of the patch when you hover over [clip]? Can you see the bottom of the help patch? Do the manual tips work when you click the [tgl] in the tips help patch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 14:27 Message: Hm, not sure what to do other than ask the obvious. So I'll do that: Do you get an "Autotips" checkbutton under the "Edit" menu? If so, did you check it? Do you get a little blue box in the bottom left-hand corner of the patch when you hover over [clip]? Can you see the bottom of the help patch? Do the manual tips work when you click the [tgl] in the tips help patch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 13:41 Message: I just tried a complete Pd-extended build with this patch, adn still no luck, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 13:40 Message: Yup, that much I can figure out. In all of the demos, nothing shows up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 12:58 Message: Have a look at the demo patch in the tar below. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2011-09-26 12:54 Message: I got it to compile and run fine, I just never got the tooltips to show up. Edit Mode or not. Any tips there? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 12:08 Message: I left out a step in the help patch-- you must be in "Edit mode" for the autotips to work. This is purposeful-- I don't think transient popups should get in the way of audio, or whatever else is going on in the patch in "Run mode". However, you can get manual tips in both "Run mode" and "Edit mode". It's been awhile since I worked on this, so I just downloaded the source for pd-0.43 from Miller's website, did "patch -p1 <tips.diff" inside the pd-0.43-0 directory, and compiled-- and it works for me under Debian Wheezy x86_64. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 10:52 Message: I tried to get this working a while back, but had no luck. I'll try again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-08-01 01:25 Message: See tips-help.pd to see how they work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3383472&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3383472 ] tooltips part 3: the saga continues
by SourceForge.net 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

Patches item #3383472, was opened at 2011-08-01 01:22 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3383472&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: tooltips part 3: the saga continues Initial Comment: Here's a new angle on the tooltips idea that adds three somewhat related functions to Pd: 1) "Autotips", available from the "Edit" menu. Parses help patches on the fly when the mouse enters an object/xlet. (Works the same with abstractions, too.) 2) Manual tips through a "tip" canvas method. 3) An "echo" canvas method, which just passes a message to a canvas without displaying it. (Useful in conjunction with the "get" method from my other patch, and probably other contexts as well.) It's all done with some canvas bindings in tcl and a few canvas methods, so neither t_class nor t_widgetbehavior is touched. However, if it's desirable to add <Enter> and <Leave> widgetbehaviors at a later date, it should be possible without changing any of the code in this patch. Hopefuly I "diff'd" correctly, against vanilla 0.43.0. (Works for me in Fedora 15...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-06 15:01 Message: Oops, I just saw the updated file now, were there any changes since tips-rev2.diff? If so, I didn't include them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-06 14:28 Message: Ok, works on Ubuntu for me now, I"m including it in Pd-extended. I added a keybinding and menu item to match the other editor meta items (autopatch, magic glass, etc.) Jonathan, if you wanted, you could make the Autotips a per-patch option using the technique I did for magicglass. Its not saved between Pd sessions, but it is while Pd is running. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-10-06 14:23 Message: Yes it is. I deleting the old files and have the new gzip file with the revised patch and help files. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-06 14:03 Message: For future reference, you should delete the older revisions of files from the tracker and only include the current files. I'm trying this now on Ubuntu/natty/i386. I'm guessing that tips-rev2.diff is the right file ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2011-09-27 20:48 Message: Latest revision tested on Ubuntu Maverick (32 bit). Works for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 22:40 Message: Thanks IOhannes, I would have never caught that myself. The pd-externals-howto says: "If more arguments are to be passed to the object or if the order of atomtypes should by (sic) more flexible, A_GIMME can be used for passing an arbitrary list of atoms." Is there another place where this is addressed? I added another revision. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 17:50 Message: The manual tip works with or without Autotips checked. Nothing else shows up either way with the Autotips checked or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-09-26 15:32 Message: it doesn't work, because the code is broken. canvas_enterobj)( is declared as having 4 arguments of type A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_SYMBOL, A_FLOAT! this is something that Pd's dispatcher cannot handle correctly: A_FLOAT must never be followed by A_SYMBOL. if you want a message like that, you have to use A_GIMME and parse the message yourself. afair, this is documented in the pd-externals-howto. (you might be lucky on 64bit, that for some reasons it worked for you; do not rely on that) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 14:39 Message: Hm, not sure what to do other than ask the obvious. So I'll do that: Do you get an "Autotips" checkbutton under the "Edit" menu? If so, did you check it? Do you get a little blue box in the bottom left-hand corner of the patch when you hover over [clip]? Can you see the bottom of the help patch? Do the manual tips work when you click the [tgl] in the tips help patch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 14:27 Message: Hm, not sure what to do other than ask the obvious. So I'll do that: Do you get an "Autotips" checkbutton under the "Edit" menu? If so, did you check it? Do you get a little blue box in the bottom left-hand corner of the patch when you hover over [clip]? Can you see the bottom of the help patch? Do the manual tips work when you click the [tgl] in the tips help patch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 13:41 Message: I just tried a complete Pd-extended build with this patch, adn still no luck, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 13:40 Message: Yup, that much I can figure out. In all of the demos, nothing shows up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 12:58 Message: Have a look at the demo patch in the tar below. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2011-09-26 12:54 Message: I got it to compile and run fine, I just never got the tooltips to show up. Edit Mode or not. Any tips there? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 12:08 Message: I left out a step in the help patch-- you must be in "Edit mode" for the autotips to work. This is purposeful-- I don't think transient popups should get in the way of audio, or whatever else is going on in the patch in "Run mode". However, you can get manual tips in both "Run mode" and "Edit mode". It's been awhile since I worked on this, so I just downloaded the source for pd-0.43 from Miller's website, did "patch -p1 <tips.diff" inside the pd-0.43-0 directory, and compiled-- and it works for me under Debian Wheezy x86_64. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 10:52 Message: I tried to get this working a while back, but had no luck. I'll try again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-08-01 01:25 Message: See tips-help.pd to see how they work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3383472&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3383472 ] tooltips part 3: the saga continues
by SourceForge.net 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

Patches item #3383472, was opened at 2011-08-01 01:22 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3383472&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: tooltips part 3: the saga continues Initial Comment: Here's a new angle on the tooltips idea that adds three somewhat related functions to Pd: 1) "Autotips", available from the "Edit" menu. Parses help patches on the fly when the mouse enters an object/xlet. (Works the same with abstractions, too.) 2) Manual tips through a "tip" canvas method. 3) An "echo" canvas method, which just passes a message to a canvas without displaying it. (Useful in conjunction with the "get" method from my other patch, and probably other contexts as well.) It's all done with some canvas bindings in tcl and a few canvas methods, so neither t_class nor t_widgetbehavior is touched. However, if it's desirable to add <Enter> and <Leave> widgetbehaviors at a later date, it should be possible without changing any of the code in this patch. Hopefuly I "diff'd" correctly, against vanilla 0.43.0. (Works for me in Fedora 15...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-06 14:28 Message: Ok, works on Ubuntu for me now, I"m including it in Pd-extended. I added a keybinding and menu item to match the other editor meta items (autopatch, magic glass, etc.) Jonathan, if you wanted, you could make the Autotips a per-patch option using the technique I did for magicglass. Its not saved between Pd sessions, but it is while Pd is running. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-10-06 14:23 Message: Yes it is. I deleting the old files and have the new gzip file with the revised patch and help files. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-06 14:03 Message: For future reference, you should delete the older revisions of files from the tracker and only include the current files. I'm trying this now on Ubuntu/natty/i386. I'm guessing that tips-rev2.diff is the right file ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2011-09-27 20:48 Message: Latest revision tested on Ubuntu Maverick (32 bit). Works for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 22:40 Message: Thanks IOhannes, I would have never caught that myself. The pd-externals-howto says: "If more arguments are to be passed to the object or if the order of atomtypes should by (sic) more flexible, A_GIMME can be used for passing an arbitrary list of atoms." Is there another place where this is addressed? I added another revision. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 17:50 Message: The manual tip works with or without Autotips checked. Nothing else shows up either way with the Autotips checked or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-09-26 15:32 Message: it doesn't work, because the code is broken. canvas_enterobj)( is declared as having 4 arguments of type A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_SYMBOL, A_FLOAT! this is something that Pd's dispatcher cannot handle correctly: A_FLOAT must never be followed by A_SYMBOL. if you want a message like that, you have to use A_GIMME and parse the message yourself. afair, this is documented in the pd-externals-howto. (you might be lucky on 64bit, that for some reasons it worked for you; do not rely on that) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 14:39 Message: Hm, not sure what to do other than ask the obvious. So I'll do that: Do you get an "Autotips" checkbutton under the "Edit" menu? If so, did you check it? Do you get a little blue box in the bottom left-hand corner of the patch when you hover over [clip]? Can you see the bottom of the help patch? Do the manual tips work when you click the [tgl] in the tips help patch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 14:27 Message: Hm, not sure what to do other than ask the obvious. So I'll do that: Do you get an "Autotips" checkbutton under the "Edit" menu? If so, did you check it? Do you get a little blue box in the bottom left-hand corner of the patch when you hover over [clip]? Can you see the bottom of the help patch? Do the manual tips work when you click the [tgl] in the tips help patch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 13:41 Message: I just tried a complete Pd-extended build with this patch, adn still no luck, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 13:40 Message: Yup, that much I can figure out. In all of the demos, nothing shows up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 12:58 Message: Have a look at the demo patch in the tar below. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2011-09-26 12:54 Message: I got it to compile and run fine, I just never got the tooltips to show up. Edit Mode or not. Any tips there? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 12:08 Message: I left out a step in the help patch-- you must be in "Edit mode" for the autotips to work. This is purposeful-- I don't think transient popups should get in the way of audio, or whatever else is going on in the patch in "Run mode". However, you can get manual tips in both "Run mode" and "Edit mode". It's been awhile since I worked on this, so I just downloaded the source for pd-0.43 from Miller's website, did "patch -p1 <tips.diff" inside the pd-0.43-0 directory, and compiled-- and it works for me under Debian Wheezy x86_64. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 10:52 Message: I tried to get this working a while back, but had no luck. I'll try again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-08-01 01:25 Message: See tips-help.pd to see how they work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3383472&group_…

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