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[ pure-data-Patches-3383472 ] tooltips part 3: the saga continues
by SourceForge.net 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

Patches item #3383472, was opened at 2011-08-01 01:22 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jancsika1 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3383472&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: tooltips part 3: the saga continues Initial Comment: Here's a new angle on the tooltips idea that adds three somewhat related functions to Pd: 1) "Autotips", available from the "Edit" menu. Parses help patches on the fly when the mouse enters an object/xlet. (Works the same with abstractions, too.) 2) Manual tips through a "tip" canvas method. 3) An "echo" canvas method, which just passes a message to a canvas without displaying it. (Useful in conjunction with the "get" method from my other patch, and probably other contexts as well.) It's all done with some canvas bindings in tcl and a few canvas methods, so neither t_class nor t_widgetbehavior is touched. However, if it's desirable to add <Enter> and <Leave> widgetbehaviors at a later date, it should be possible without changing any of the code in this patch. Hopefuly I "diff'd" correctly, against vanilla 0.43.0. (Works for me in Fedora 15...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-10-06 14:23 Message: Yes it is. I deleting the old files and have the new gzip file with the revised patch and help files. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-06 14:03 Message: For future reference, you should delete the older revisions of files from the tracker and only include the current files. I'm trying this now on Ubuntu/natty/i386. I'm guessing that tips-rev2.diff is the right file ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2011-09-27 20:48 Message: Latest revision tested on Ubuntu Maverick (32 bit). Works for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 22:40 Message: Thanks IOhannes, I would have never caught that myself. The pd-externals-howto says: "If more arguments are to be passed to the object or if the order of atomtypes should by (sic) more flexible, A_GIMME can be used for passing an arbitrary list of atoms." Is there another place where this is addressed? I added another revision. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 17:50 Message: The manual tip works with or without Autotips checked. Nothing else shows up either way with the Autotips checked or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-09-26 15:32 Message: it doesn't work, because the code is broken. canvas_enterobj)( is declared as having 4 arguments of type A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_SYMBOL, A_FLOAT! this is something that Pd's dispatcher cannot handle correctly: A_FLOAT must never be followed by A_SYMBOL. if you want a message like that, you have to use A_GIMME and parse the message yourself. afair, this is documented in the pd-externals-howto. (you might be lucky on 64bit, that for some reasons it worked for you; do not rely on that) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 14:39 Message: Hm, not sure what to do other than ask the obvious. So I'll do that: Do you get an "Autotips" checkbutton under the "Edit" menu? If so, did you check it? Do you get a little blue box in the bottom left-hand corner of the patch when you hover over [clip]? Can you see the bottom of the help patch? Do the manual tips work when you click the [tgl] in the tips help patch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 14:27 Message: Hm, not sure what to do other than ask the obvious. So I'll do that: Do you get an "Autotips" checkbutton under the "Edit" menu? If so, did you check it? Do you get a little blue box in the bottom left-hand corner of the patch when you hover over [clip]? Can you see the bottom of the help patch? Do the manual tips work when you click the [tgl] in the tips help patch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 13:41 Message: I just tried a complete Pd-extended build with this patch, adn still no luck, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 13:40 Message: Yup, that much I can figure out. In all of the demos, nothing shows up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 12:58 Message: Have a look at the demo patch in the tar below. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2011-09-26 12:54 Message: I got it to compile and run fine, I just never got the tooltips to show up. Edit Mode or not. Any tips there? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 12:08 Message: I left out a step in the help patch-- you must be in "Edit mode" for the autotips to work. This is purposeful-- I don't think transient popups should get in the way of audio, or whatever else is going on in the patch in "Run mode". However, you can get manual tips in both "Run mode" and "Edit mode". It's been awhile since I worked on this, so I just downloaded the source for pd-0.43 from Miller's website, did "patch -p1 <tips.diff" inside the pd-0.43-0 directory, and compiled-- and it works for me under Debian Wheezy x86_64. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 10:52 Message: I tried to get this working a while back, but had no luck. I'll try again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-08-01 01:25 Message: See tips-help.pd to see how they work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3383472&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3383472 ] tooltips part 3: the saga continues
by SourceForge.net 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

Patches item #3383472, was opened at 2011-08-01 01:22 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3383472&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: tooltips part 3: the saga continues Initial Comment: Here's a new angle on the tooltips idea that adds three somewhat related functions to Pd: 1) "Autotips", available from the "Edit" menu. Parses help patches on the fly when the mouse enters an object/xlet. (Works the same with abstractions, too.) 2) Manual tips through a "tip" canvas method. 3) An "echo" canvas method, which just passes a message to a canvas without displaying it. (Useful in conjunction with the "get" method from my other patch, and probably other contexts as well.) It's all done with some canvas bindings in tcl and a few canvas methods, so neither t_class nor t_widgetbehavior is touched. However, if it's desirable to add <Enter> and <Leave> widgetbehaviors at a later date, it should be possible without changing any of the code in this patch. Hopefuly I "diff'd" correctly, against vanilla 0.43.0. (Works for me in Fedora 15...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-06 14:03 Message: For future reference, you should delete the older revisions of files from the tracker and only include the current files. I'm trying this now on Ubuntu/natty/i386. I'm guessing that tips-rev2.diff is the right file ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2011-09-27 20:48 Message: Latest revision tested on Ubuntu Maverick (32 bit). Works for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 22:40 Message: Thanks IOhannes, I would have never caught that myself. The pd-externals-howto says: "If more arguments are to be passed to the object or if the order of atomtypes should by (sic) more flexible, A_GIMME can be used for passing an arbitrary list of atoms." Is there another place where this is addressed? I added another revision. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 17:50 Message: The manual tip works with or without Autotips checked. Nothing else shows up either way with the Autotips checked or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-09-26 15:32 Message: it doesn't work, because the code is broken. canvas_enterobj)( is declared as having 4 arguments of type A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_SYMBOL, A_FLOAT! this is something that Pd's dispatcher cannot handle correctly: A_FLOAT must never be followed by A_SYMBOL. if you want a message like that, you have to use A_GIMME and parse the message yourself. afair, this is documented in the pd-externals-howto. (you might be lucky on 64bit, that for some reasons it worked for you; do not rely on that) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 14:39 Message: Hm, not sure what to do other than ask the obvious. So I'll do that: Do you get an "Autotips" checkbutton under the "Edit" menu? If so, did you check it? Do you get a little blue box in the bottom left-hand corner of the patch when you hover over [clip]? Can you see the bottom of the help patch? Do the manual tips work when you click the [tgl] in the tips help patch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 14:27 Message: Hm, not sure what to do other than ask the obvious. So I'll do that: Do you get an "Autotips" checkbutton under the "Edit" menu? If so, did you check it? Do you get a little blue box in the bottom left-hand corner of the patch when you hover over [clip]? Can you see the bottom of the help patch? Do the manual tips work when you click the [tgl] in the tips help patch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 13:41 Message: I just tried a complete Pd-extended build with this patch, adn still no luck, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 13:40 Message: Yup, that much I can figure out. In all of the demos, nothing shows up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 12:58 Message: Have a look at the demo patch in the tar below. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2011-09-26 12:54 Message: I got it to compile and run fine, I just never got the tooltips to show up. Edit Mode or not. Any tips there? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-09-26 12:08 Message: I left out a step in the help patch-- you must be in "Edit mode" for the autotips to work. This is purposeful-- I don't think transient popups should get in the way of audio, or whatever else is going on in the patch in "Run mode". However, you can get manual tips in both "Run mode" and "Edit mode". It's been awhile since I worked on this, so I just downloaded the source for pd-0.43 from Miller's website, did "patch -p1 <tips.diff" inside the pd-0.43-0 directory, and compiled-- and it works for me under Debian Wheezy x86_64. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-09-26 10:52 Message: I tried to get this working a while back, but had no luck. I'll try again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-08-01 01:25 Message: See tips-help.pd to see how they work. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3383472&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3417757 ] better install instructions to pix_opencv
by SourceForge.net 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

Patches item #3417757, was opened at 2011-10-03 10:06 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by lluisbigorda You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3417757&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: externals Group: documentation >Status: Closed Resolution: Accepted Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Ricardo Fabbri (ricardofabbri) Assigned to: lluís gómez i bigordà (lluisbigorda) Summary: better install instructions to pix_opencv Initial Comment: This is a tiny fix to the INSTALL file to show how to install the help files. More steps were are added so that the install solution is cleaner. PS: I am also using this to practice submitting patches to the Pd community. Hopefully I will soon manage to get commit access and will stop bugging the tracker with tiny patches. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: lluís gómez i bigordà (lluisbigorda) Date: 2011-10-06 11:30 Message: the patrch is already applied and commited to svn re. 15528. thanks ricardo! ll. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Ricardo Fabbri (ricardofabbri) Date: 2011-10-04 07:03 Message: We might have to wait until bug #3390786 gets fixed. However, I vote to include these instructions anyways as the bug must get fixed soon I suppose. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Ricardo Fabbri (ricardofabbri) Date: 2011-10-04 06:10 Message: Hello, the instructions in this patch are not goint to work well with the current pd-extended, since it is not saving the new PATH into ~/.pdextended, seemingly because the path is from the pd-extended installation directory and it is being handled differently. I propose to tell the user to put the PATH straight to a directory with pix_opencv *outside* pd-extended installation directory. I would say it is bug on its own of pd-extended to filter out paths that are in its own installation directory. However, I propose a solution which will work in this case as well, but will not allow the user to cleanly install pix_opencv to the whole system. The attached patch is the new instructions I propose. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Ricardo Fabbri (ricardofabbri) Date: 2011-10-03 10:07 Message: just letting you know the patch is against the pix_opencv external inside the svn repository for Pd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3417757&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-3419509 ] Trigger anythings eliminates feedback suppression of number2
by SourceForge.net 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

Bugs item #3419509, was opened at 2011-10-06 13:14 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by ritsch You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3419509&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: v0.43 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Winfried Ritsch (ritsch) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Trigger anythings eliminates feedback suppression of number2 Initial Comment: Like outlined in subject: if a number is send in a send and a number2 box with same send/receive name is used, then message is sent again, maybe because of errones feedback suppression of number2 box. see attachment done with pd043.1-test4 and pd-0.43 mfg winfried ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=3419509&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-3418851 ] read startup config files from /etc/puredata/conf.d
by SourceForge.net 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

Patches item #3418851, was opened at 2011-10-05 03:19 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3418851&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: feature Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: read startup config files from /etc/puredata/conf.d Initial Comment: Hello, I was looking at using puredata from debian, and currently, it's a bit of a mess, if I want to use PD + gem, I need to install both, and then mess up with config files, or, as the readme suggest (Readme.Debian), launch pd with an extenssive commandline: | to start Pd with Gem support, issue the command (without the '%' sign) | | % pd -path /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem -lib Gem | | OR | | use the provided script instead of directly starting Pd: | | % /usr/bin/pd-gem | | OR | | start Pd | - navigate to "File->Path..." and add "/usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem" to the list of search-paths | - click OK | - navigate to "File->Startup..." and add "Gem" to the list of binaries to be loaded | - click "Apply" and "Save all settings" | | OR | | add the following lines to your ~/.pdrc file (deprecated) | | -path /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem | -lib Gem I think it'd be better to automatially include a file, that's what this patch is all about (and to be able to make a pd extenssion debian policy). tell me what you think ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-06 05:40 Message: @zmoelnig @eighthave: ok it'll be easier to first read /etc/puredata/pd.conf then ~/.pdrc do you want a patch doing that ? then, where can I look into [declare] stuff ? (sorry...quite a newbie here) but anyway, I guess we'll still need each module to be able to declare how to load itself, so I can have the patch say something as easy as: need gem need blah and then pd would look for a descriptor for the 'gem' and 'blah' module, and load specific files. so I guess it means 0001 and 0003 and 0004 should get merged, and then we should build ontop of that ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-05 18:13 Message: From the point of view of hardware config, it makes sense to have a global config, I agree. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 16:47 Message: i think it is good to make it easier to embed preferences in the patch. i also think that [declare] should be made nicer. this doesn't keep me from thinking that a global configuration would be a good idea, esp. when you can configure the (system specific) hardware and the like. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-05 16:38 Message: I think that the -conf flag is a good idea and should be included and generalized for all platforms. But I think that the /etc/puredata/conf-enabled stuff is not a good idea because it serves to reinforce the issues that cause this problem in the first place. We should be making it easier for people to embed the configuration in the patch, by doing things like improving [declare]. We should not make it easier to move the configuration globally, which means we have even more patches that are unshareable because they rely on a custom, global config. Just look at any other programming language, the libs that a program needs are declared in the program itself (import, using, declare, #include, etc), not globally in the user's config. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-05 15:34 Message: Ok, so I refreshed my patches to take into account some things said here: http://core.evilgiggle.com/~xaiki/puredata/ (you can call me xaiki) 0001-give-an-argument-to-sys_rcfile-and-expand-with-realp.patch hasn't changed, needed for 0002 and 0003 0002-import-configs-form-etc-puredata-conf.d-on-start.patch will now look into /etc/puredata/conf-enabled so we can setup an apache/lighttpd like dir with a puredata-conf-enable script (that we can steal away) 0003-implement-conf-arg-to-specify-config-file.patch add a -conf argument, using 0001 0004-make-conf-trigger-nopref-so-we-don-t-load-default-if.patch this will make that -conf argument not use the default conf when triggered, actually, it could be a bit smarter (i.e. checking if we could actually read something... but well) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-10-05 14:13 Message: @h-tee-tee-pee-yes: If you were looking at help patches, the [import] object is excluded because libdir externals put the binaries in the same directory as the help patches. It does seem weird to have to import the import object. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 11:09 Message: note, that even if all your patches were implemented, i would still rather NOT enable all apt-installed pdlibs by default (i guess i am with hans here) instead, the sysadmin ought to decide on a case-by-case basis (something like apache's /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-05 10:44 Message: @zmoelnig: (really, things are easier to discuss via mail =)) the first patch only alows to specify a config file from C, yet, we could easily make it a command line switch to be able to specify a file (or a directory) to load. @zmoelnig: I'm a puredata beginer, but I'm concerned that pd-gem allows you to load only 1 extention at a time, what if you want gem + pidip + xxx ? I don't think it's an elegant solution. @eighthave: good to know, that said, it doesn't seem widely used, I was looking at some docs, and some projects and no patch I found was implementing this, so I think it's easier to fix Debian/PD to include some/all installed ext, than fix all patches in the wild. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 07:31 Message: about the given patch: this is definitely a nice idea (i haven't looked at the patch though), and allows to easily switch between predefined flavours of your installed Pd. i think it's a way better solution than the config-switcher.sh script that comes with current Pd-extended, as it doesn't require write access in the home-directory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 07:21 Message: @anonymous(how i hate the openID implementation on sf): i don't see how starting "pd-gem" is "messing up with config files" or "launching "with an extensive commandline". alternatively, you can always launch pd/Gem from the menu @eighthave: using [declare] or [import] is one of many options how to load library. other ways have their value as well, and i don't think we should force people to do something (even if we do believe that they should do it) (and yes, i am not always true to this suggestion myself :-)) finally, the two patches submitted are somewhat independent (though related): - having the opportunity to force the use of a given preference file - implementing an /etc/*/conf.d/ style config cascade i would suggest submitting them separately. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-05 04:05 Message: For loading libraries, you should do it directly in the patch using either [declare -lib] or [import] (apt-get install puredata-import). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-05 03:22 Message: ok,... I can't seem to add my second patch,... you can find everything in: http://core.evilgiggle.com/~xaiki/puredata/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3418851&group_…

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Pd-extended's "make clean" actually cleans
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

I did a little testing with rsync --dry-run, and fixed the last remaining issues to the running "make clean" in packages/*/Makefile. So now you can actually run "make clean" and start again without having to run the rsync script :) .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A cellphone to me is just an opportunity to be irritated wherever you are." - Linus Torvalds

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build instructions for pd-extended
by Ricardo Fabbri 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

Hi, I would like to help out with the development of Pd, in particular with Gem and puredata_opencv. Please be patient as I am just starting with Pd development. I would like to get some advice from you on how to build from the develpment sources. I can then update the community website instructions based on your responses, if you think that'd be helpful. I would like to install pd-extended, gem, and pix_opencv from the development source code. It seems I should download from Subversion, even though Git is used for pd vanilla core and pd-extended core. It seems these Git repos are regularly pushed onto Subversion. Is that true? Now, should I really download from these? https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk and https://pd-gem.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pd-gem/trunk Next, I'd like some up-to-date build instructions based on the development code base. Again, I am more than willing to update the online doc with the info you provide. I appreciate your guidance on how to contribute. I lead a team with computer vision programmers and music composition experts that will be heavily developing Pd in the next coming weeks and months. Best regards, Ricardo -- Linux registered user #175401 www.lems.brown.edu/~rfabbri

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double precision Pd: .patch files, tests and benchmarks
by katja 06 Oct '11

06 Oct '11

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans(a)at.or.at> wrote: > I think it makes sense to work off of > pure-data.git rather than pd-extended.git since this is a patch targetted at > getting into Miller's repo. Right. Even then, we could add some external libs to work on, starting with zexy and cyclone for example. The question is how to load appropriate executables into local single and double precision test builds of vanilla Pd. A single preference file is shared by all vanilla Pd installations, therefore setting searchpaths via preferences is no option. Each Pd should only load from it's own 'extra' directory. With the extra's included in vanilla Pd, this works fine as far as I have seen. I tested bonk~ in single and double precision Pd simultaneously without symbol collision. > As for arch issues, I think Intel and ARM are the big ones to test these > days. But PPC is fine too. Expressed in number of 'users', ARM is probably the most popular target hardware for Pd at the moment. It should be easy to patch libpd with the same .patch files, or not? Some modified files are inexistent in libpd (s_audio_pa.c, vexpr.c etc). It's important to at least benchmark-test rewritten code on this hardware indeed, if we want to make a unified doube-precision-ready Pd happen. Katja

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Mac OS X 10.5 vs zexy's autogen.sh
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 05 Oct '11

05 Oct '11

FYI: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2011-10-02/logs/2011-10-02_03.15.… cd /Users/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/zexy && ./autogen.sh PATH: /sw/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/sw/bin:/sw/sbin running autoreconf autoreconf: Entering directory `.' autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Gettext autoreconf: running: aclocal --force -I m4 autoreconf: configure.ac: tracing aclocal.m4:20: warning: this file was generated for autoconf 2.68. You have another version of autoconf. It may work, but is not guaranteed to. If you have problems, you may need to regenerate the build system entirely. To do so, use the procedure documented by the package, typically `autoreconf'. configure.ac:4: error: Autoconf version 2.62 or higher is required aclocal.m4:8945: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE is expanded from... configure.ac:4: the top level autom4te: /usr/bin/gm4 failed with exit status: 63 autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Libtool autoreconf: running: /usr/bin/autoconf --force aclocal.m4:20: warning: this file was generated for autoconf 2.68. You have another version of autoconf. It may work, but is not guaranteed to. If you have problems, you may need to regenerate the build system entirely. To do so, use the procedure documented by the package, typically `autoreconf'. configure.ac:4: error: Autoconf version 2.62 or higher is required aclocal.m4:8945: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE is expanded from... configure.ac:4: the top level autom4te: /usr/bin/gm4 failed with exit status: 63 autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 63 make[2]: *** [/Users/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/externals/zexy/ configure] Error 63 .hc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie

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[ pure-data-Patches-3418851 ] read startup config files from /etc/puredata/conf.d
by SourceForge.net 05 Oct '11

05 Oct '11

Patches item #3418851, was opened at 2011-10-04 23:19 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3418851&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: feature Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: read startup config files from /etc/puredata/conf.d Initial Comment: Hello, I was looking at using puredata from debian, and currently, it's a bit of a mess, if I want to use PD + gem, I need to install both, and then mess up with config files, or, as the readme suggest (Readme.Debian), launch pd with an extenssive commandline: | to start Pd with Gem support, issue the command (without the '%' sign) | | % pd -path /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem -lib Gem | | OR | | use the provided script instead of directly starting Pd: | | % /usr/bin/pd-gem | | OR | | start Pd | - navigate to "File->Path..." and add "/usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem" to the list of search-paths | - click OK | - navigate to "File->Startup..." and add "Gem" to the list of binaries to be loaded | - click "Apply" and "Save all settings" | | OR | | add the following lines to your ~/.pdrc file (deprecated) | | -path /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem | -lib Gem I think it'd be better to automatially include a file, that's what this patch is all about (and to be able to make a pd extenssion debian policy). tell me what you think ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-05 14:13 Message: From the point of view of hardware config, it makes sense to have a global config, I agree. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 12:47 Message: i think it is good to make it easier to embed preferences in the patch. i also think that [declare] should be made nicer. this doesn't keep me from thinking that a global configuration would be a good idea, esp. when you can configure the (system specific) hardware and the like. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-05 12:38 Message: I think that the -conf flag is a good idea and should be included and generalized for all platforms. But I think that the /etc/puredata/conf-enabled stuff is not a good idea because it serves to reinforce the issues that cause this problem in the first place. We should be making it easier for people to embed the configuration in the patch, by doing things like improving [declare]. We should not make it easier to move the configuration globally, which means we have even more patches that are unshareable because they rely on a custom, global config. Just look at any other programming language, the libs that a program needs are declared in the program itself (import, using, declare, #include, etc), not globally in the user's config. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-05 11:34 Message: Ok, so I refreshed my patches to take into account some things said here: http://core.evilgiggle.com/~xaiki/puredata/ (you can call me xaiki) 0001-give-an-argument-to-sys_rcfile-and-expand-with-realp.patch hasn't changed, needed for 0002 and 0003 0002-import-configs-form-etc-puredata-conf.d-on-start.patch will now look into /etc/puredata/conf-enabled so we can setup an apache/lighttpd like dir with a puredata-conf-enable script (that we can steal away) 0003-implement-conf-arg-to-specify-config-file.patch add a -conf argument, using 0001 0004-make-conf-trigger-nopref-so-we-don-t-load-default-if.patch this will make that -conf argument not use the default conf when triggered, actually, it could be a bit smarter (i.e. checking if we could actually read something... but well) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1) Date: 2011-10-05 10:13 Message: @h-tee-tee-pee-yes: If you were looking at help patches, the [import] object is excluded because libdir externals put the binaries in the same directory as the help patches. It does seem weird to have to import the import object. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 07:09 Message: note, that even if all your patches were implemented, i would still rather NOT enable all apt-installed pdlibs by default (i guess i am with hans here) instead, the sysadmin ought to decide on a case-by-case basis (something like apache's /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-05 06:44 Message: @zmoelnig: (really, things are easier to discuss via mail =)) the first patch only alows to specify a config file from C, yet, we could easily make it a command line switch to be able to specify a file (or a directory) to load. @zmoelnig: I'm a puredata beginer, but I'm concerned that pd-gem allows you to load only 1 extention at a time, what if you want gem + pidip + xxx ? I don't think it's an elegant solution. @eighthave: good to know, that said, it doesn't seem widely used, I was looking at some docs, and some projects and no patch I found was implementing this, so I think it's easier to fix Debian/PD to include some/all installed ext, than fix all patches in the wild. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 03:31 Message: about the given patch: this is definitely a nice idea (i haven't looked at the patch though), and allows to easily switch between predefined flavours of your installed Pd. i think it's a way better solution than the config-switcher.sh script that comes with current Pd-extended, as it doesn't require write access in the home-directory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2011-10-05 03:21 Message: @anonymous(how i hate the openID implementation on sf): i don't see how starting "pd-gem" is "messing up with config files" or "launching "with an extensive commandline". alternatively, you can always launch pd/Gem from the menu @eighthave: using [declare] or [import] is one of many options how to load library. other ways have their value as well, and i don't think we should force people to do something (even if we do believe that they should do it) (and yes, i am not always true to this suggestion myself :-)) finally, the two patches submitted are somewhat independent (though related): - having the opportunity to force the use of a given preference file - implementing an /etc/*/conf.d/ style config cascade i would suggest submitting them separately. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2011-10-05 00:05 Message: For loading libraries, you should do it directly in the patch using either [declare -lib] or [import] (apt-get install puredata-import). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts () Date: 2011-10-04 23:22 Message: ok,... I can't seem to add my second patch,... you can find everything in: http://core.evilgiggle.com/~xaiki/puredata/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3418851&group_…

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