Pd-dev November 2007

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tk color rendering
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

I just noticed that when you specify "white" or "#ffffff" in Tk on Mac OS X, you actually get "#fefefe" for "white" and "#f5f7f7" for "#ffffff". I am assuming is this some kind of automatic gamma correction to make things match the other platforms. Anyone have any insight on this? .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!

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linker failure compiling Desire Data on Mac OS X
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

I am trying to build DD, and I get this when linking: g++ -dynamiclib -Wl,-single_module -ldl -lm -lpthread -framework Jack -weak_framework Jack -o libpd.dylib desire.o kernel.o builtins.o builtins_dsp.o s_path.o s_inter.o s_main.o m_sched.o s_loader.o d_soundfile.o d_ugen.o s_audio.o s_midi.o s_audio_jack.o s_midi_none.o m_fifo.o m_simd.o d_mayer_fft.o d_fftroutine.o ld: Undefined symbols: _sys_soundin _sys_soundout _sys_dacsr It seems that these are only defined in the s_audio_mmio.c and s_audio_oss.c. On Mac OS X, I am using PortAudio, so it needs to be defined elsewhere. On Pd-0.40.3 vanilla, it is also defined in s_audio.c. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1830836 ] sys_soundin, sys_soundout, sys_dacsr declared multiple times
by SourceForge.net 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

Bugs item #1830836, was opened at 2007-11-12 22:31 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1830836&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: v0.41.0 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: sys_soundin, sys_soundout, sys_dacsr declared multiple times Initial Comment: These global variables are declared multiple times. It seems to me that they only need to be declared in s_audio.c since they are declared EXTERN is s_stuff.h. s_audio.c:t_sample *sys_soundout; s_audio.c:t_sample *sys_soundin; s_audio_mmio.c:t_sample *sys_soundout; s_audio_mmio.c:t_sample *sys_soundin; s_audio_oss.c:t_sample *sys_soundout; s_audio_oss.c:t_sample *sys_soundin; s_audio.c:float sys_dacsr; s_audio_mmio.c:float sys_dacsr = DEFAULTSRATE; s_audio_mmio.c:float sys_dacsr; s_audio_oss.c:float sys_dacsr; ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1830836&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-1551825 ] autoscrollbars
by SourceForge.net 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

Patches item #1551825, was opened at 2006-09-04 04:17 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1551825&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: bugfix Status: Open Resolution: Works For Me Priority: 7 Private: No Submitted By: oskude (oskude) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: autoscrollbars Initial Comment: autoscrollbars patch for pd cvs. dunno how good the code is, but it works :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2007-11-12 19:59 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 Originator: NO This patch works well for resize events, but it prevents the scrollbars from working properly when cutting, pasting, and adding objects. I'd like to keep it in, but it needs to be fixed. See bug #1830767 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2006-09-18 09:19 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 One other thing that would be fixed ideally. This problem existed before this patch, but its related. If a patch is bigger than the window, the scrollbars are not displayed when that patch is opened. You have to resize the window, then the scrollbars will display. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2006-09-16 13:07 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 Very nice! My only comment is that it is a couple pixels off on Mac OS X 10.4/Pd-extended 0.39.2-test5. I can cover about 3 pixels before the scrollbars kick in. I added to the Pd-extended build system as pure-data/packages/patches/pd_autoscrollbars-0.40-pre.patch It will be in the nightly builds starting tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: oskude (oskude) Date: 2006-09-15 04:09 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1383707 this patch removes scrollbars in a pd-patch canvas window when the content is smaller than the window size. and add scrollbars to pd-patch window if content bigger than window size. works individually for height(bottom scrollbar) and width(right scrollbar) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2006-09-13 15:26 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 can you elaborate on what this patch does? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1551825&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1830773 ] on dual screen pd avoids secondary screen on load
by SourceForge.net 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

Bugs item #1830773, was opened at 2007-11-13 01:23 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1830773&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: João Miguel Pais (jmmmp) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: on dual screen pd avoids secondary screen on load Initial Comment: I have 2 screens, the main screen is the right one, but I use the left one more often. when I save patches on the left screen, they always appear on the main screen when I open them later. the vertical position and size are ok, only the screen is the wrong one. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1830773&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1830771 ] Pd extended starts animation effect on XP
by SourceForge.net 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

Bugs item #1830771, was opened at 2007-11-13 01:19 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1830771&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: João Miguel Pais (jmmmp) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Pd extended starts animation effect on XP Initial Comment: This actually always happened with Pd-ext as far as I remember. Each time I start Pd-ext, the Einblendeffekt (animation? can't find a translation) gets activated. This effect is what makes the windows "travel" when they're being minimized or maximized. You find it in - right-click on the desktop - properties - 4th Tab [Darstellung], display?? - effects - 1st checkbox, [use the next effects for menus and quickinfos] - Einblendeffekt [the menu names were translated by me from german, they might not be correct] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1830771&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1830767 ] Slide bars don't update automatically
by SourceForge.net 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

Bugs item #1830767, was opened at 2007-11-13 01:09 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jmmmp You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1830767&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: pd-extended Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: João Miguel Pais (jmmmp) Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: Slide bars don't update automatically Initial Comment: If you copy some object let's say on the lower right corner of a window and paste it on a fresh window - or any window small enough for the copied object to be outside of it - the newly pasted object will be outside the area being viewed. Before the sliders would appear automatically, but now they only come up if the window gets resized (or something?) Joao ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: João Miguel Pais (jmmmp) Date: 2007-11-13 01:12 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1523458 Originator: YES by the way, on XP with pd-ext .39.3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1830767&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1830767 ] Slide bars don't update automatically
by SourceForge.net 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

Bugs item #1830767, was opened at 2007-11-13 01:09 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1830767&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: pd-extended Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: João Miguel Pais (jmmmp) Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: Slide bars don't update automatically Initial Comment: If you copy some object let's say on the lower right corner of a window and paste it on a fresh window - or any window small enough for the copied object to be outside of it - the newly pasted object will be outside the area being viewed. Before the sliders would appear automatically, but now they only come up if the window gets resized (or something?) Joao ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1830767&group_…

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Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Connecting up an SQL Database to PD
by Mike McGonagle 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

One more time... please. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mike McGonagle <mjmogo(a)gmail.com> Date: Nov 12, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] Fwd: Fwd: Connecting up an SQL Database to PD To: Andy Farnell <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> I was just thinking, should the result sets be returned as TAGGED data? Meaning, should the name of the column precede the data in the returned PD list? While I can see that this would be useful, it would also require more processing to merge the keys with the data. I have so far been assuming that it is only the data that gets returned. Mike On 11/12/07, Mike McGonagle <mjmogo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 11/13/07, Andy Farnell <padawan12(a)obiwannabe.co.uk> wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:05:47 -0600 > > "Mike McGonagle" <mjmogo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Apologies for the shallow input, just scanning and speaking my thoughts... > > > > > > > 1. I would strongly suggest not including the sqlite sources with the > > > > > sqlite4pd sources. > > > > Yes, modularity, maintainability. > > This really isn't a big issue. I will look at using a library for sqlite. > > > > > > 2. I think having the SQL query provided as an object creation argument > > > > > is a really bad idea. Wouldn't it be better to just pass the query in > > > > > as a list > > > > It seems mean to leave all formatting to the user, but that's most flexible > > in practice. > > At the same time, the process of building the message to create the > SQL that then gets submitted could be cumbersome. If it is just a > simple thing like loading up a textfile, and then forwarding this on > that is one thing (assuming that each line in the textfile is a > complete SQL statement), but to construct dynamic SQL on the fly, that > is a whole different thing. And this doesn't even address the > different types of SQL statements, each returning a different result > set, or error code. > > And then there is still the issue of having to parse through the > result sets as they comeback... > > > > > list would basically be UNFORMATTED data, and it would require the PD > > > > code to interpret the result sets. > > > > KISS. Object should know as little about databases as it can, it's all down > > to the object user and the service behind the object, object == gateway, > > nothing much more. > > Ok, can anyone create a PD patch that might illustrate some of the > ways you envision sending SQL to the database? Nothing "workable", > just a prototype of what you see... > > While I would tend to agree in keeping it simple. There are a couple > of hurdles that must be crossed. On the one hand, I get the impression > that some are thinking that it is as simple as saying "select * from > my-table;" and then you are done, each SQL statement is potentially > VASTLY different from the next, and to expect to create a single > INSTANCE of a connection, and pipe all your requests through that one > object, I think is a little naive. If you are familiar with other > Database programming enviornments, they assume that you are working > with a single SQL statement (or a simple variable statement) that > serves a single purpose. They don't (AFAIK) try to pipe all their > requests through the same object. Working with SQL not only requires > knowing the programming, but also the format of the data expected in > the database. > > On the other hand, I would think that expecting a single object to > handle this would result in a 'route'ing nightmare in the PD code in > interpreting the result sets. While dealing with a single instance of > an SQL statement that has known results, would be very manageable and > not require a lot of routing. > > Mike > > > > > > > -- > > Use the source > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PD-dev mailing list > > PD-dev(a)iem.at > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev > > > > > -- > Help the Environment, Plant a Bush back in Texas! > > "I place economy among the first and most important republican > virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. > To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with > perpetual debt." > -- Thomas Jefferson, third US president, architect and author (1743-1826) > > "Give Peace a Chance" -- John Lennon (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) > > Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything > we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. > —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician > > If you think you can, or you think you can't, you are probably right. > —Mark Twain > > "Art may imitate life, but life imitates TV." > Ani DiFranco > -- Help the Environment, Plant a Bush back in Texas! "I place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt." -- Thomas Jefferson, third US president, architect and author (1743-1826) "Give Peace a Chance" -- John Lennon (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician If you think you can, or you think you can't, you are probably right. —Mark Twain "Art may imitate life, but life imitates TV." Ani DiFranco -- Help the Environment, Plant a Bush back in Texas! "I place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt." -- Thomas Jefferson, third US president, architect and author (1743-1826) "Give Peace a Chance" -- John Lennon (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician If you think you can, or you think you can't, you are probably right. —Mark Twain "Art may imitate life, but life imitates TV." Ani DiFranco

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overriding "internals"
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

Hey all, So for the Pd-0.40.3-extended release, I am planning on trying to make the internals available as a library like any other. I'd like this work to be applicable to pd-vanilla, so I'd like to discuss how to make it happen. I was thinking of just breaking out the classes into their own files, then compiling things as a libdir. This is pretty easy for most of the objects, but I haven't gotten into the DSP classes yet, and I expect things will be more complicated there. And [list] too. One of the things I am planning on doing for the tkwidget library is making it have a shared libtkwidget.so which each of the object classes uses. Then each objectclass will have its own file, but they still will have shared code. If this works out well, I think it could be a model for Pd libraries in general. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin

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