Pd-dev October 2007

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1818219 ] namespace prefix not included in save functions
by SourceForge.net 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

Bugs item #1818219, was opened at 2007-10-22 18:50 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1818219&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: v0.41.0 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: stffn (stffn) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: namespace prefix not included in save functions Initial Comment: 1. Open the attahced patch in Pd-extended. 2. Notice the both [list-abs/wrandom] and [unauthorized/grid] gets created. 3. Save the patch whit out making any chages. 4. Close the patch. 5. CLose Pd-extended. 6. Open the patch again. 7. See that the grid objects doesn't get created and (since) the the prefix has been removed. This happens in Pd-extended-0.39.3 mac intel. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2007-10-25 13:24 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 Originator: NO This sounds like an excellent idea! I think that this improved savefn will probably need to be distinct from the current savefn stuff, since it probably wouldn't be compatible. But if it could be the same mechanism, that would be even better. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2007-10-24 05:42 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=564396 Originator: NO i changed the category, since it is a problem with pd (though it affects externals) i changed the name, because it is not gui-specific: every object that defines a savefn() is affected by this (usually only gui-classes do this because they are the classes where you cannot directly edit the arguments (being hidden) and which might offer a properties window to change these arguments) however: i think it is a great feature that an object is able to change it's own name (really). nevertheless, an object should also be able to _query_ it's own name. this is usually not a big problem because the object assumes that it knows how it is called (the name the dev gave it). when using namespaces this is not the case any more. basically: the object would need a way to easily query it's own name (i am sure it is somehow possible via weird t_canvas/t_class/t_obj/t_pd/... pointer magic which is so complicated i will have to re-read to source code) the savefn() should provide a way to set object-name and arguments separately, the object-name should default to the actual name (not the canonical one) if not set otherwise. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2007-10-23 20:50 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 Originator: NO I found the root of the problem, if the GUI object has a savefn, then that savefn needs to include the whole classname, including the namespace prefix. I think stffn was right, it does apply to all GUIs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2007-10-23 17:09 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 Originator: NO This doesn't happen to all GUI objects, just some. I think [grid] is one, but many others work fine with the prefixes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: stffn (stffn) Date: 2007-10-23 03:44 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1658640 Originator: YES True, this also happens in Pd version 0.40-2. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2007-10-22 19:40 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 Originator: NO This happens on Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071021 on Mac OS X also. Has anyone tested this on other GOPs? I know pddp/pddplink works fine. Also cyclone/Scope~ also works. I think this might be an issue with the objects themselves. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: stffn (stffn) Date: 2007-10-22 18:52 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1658640 Originator: YES I forgot to mention that it happens to quite many if not all the GUI objects. At least those in CVSROOT/doc/pddp/about/GUIs-about.pd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1818219&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1819692 ] InnoSetup--- higher default msecs setting
by SourceForge.net 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

Bugs item #1819692, was opened at 2007-10-24 21:47 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1819692&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: pd-extended Group: v0.39.2 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Josh Steiner (joschi) Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: InnoSetup--- higher default msecs setting Initial Comment: right now the default audio setting for msecs of buffer is set to 70 ms. on my brand new vista laptop, the same was hideously distorted out of the box, probably not a good first impression. perhaps the pd-settings.reg file should set a higher default setting, 300 ms or so. power users will go and tweak to get the best possible, but newbies won't know how to do that and most likely will just think PD is broken in its current state. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2007-10-25 09:30 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 Originator: NO Right now, there isn't really anyone working to improve the Windows side of things. Those of us who touch the Windows stuff at all basically just make sure things are working. We could really use a Windows dev to fix this kind of stuff. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Stephen Sinclair (radarsat1) Date: 2007-10-24 23:21 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=616837 Originator: NO I can confirm this is a problem for me on Windows XP. And wow, until just now I had no idea others were experiencing it. I had to up my buffer to 100 ms to get the clicking to go away. I always thought there was something wrong with my computer or something... 70 ms seems pretty big to me, to be causing problems. I figured I'd get problems down at 20 ms or so. Please let me know if there's something I can do to improve latency on my laptop, because 100 ms sucks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2007-10-24 21:55 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 Originator: NO How does this fair on WinXP and Win2000? Maybe we can set different buffer sizes on the different versions of Windows. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1819692&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1819692 ] InnoSetup--- higher default msecs setting
by SourceForge.net 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

Bugs item #1819692, was opened at 2007-10-24 21:47 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by radarsat1 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1819692&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: pd-extended Group: v0.39.2 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Josh Steiner (joschi) Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: InnoSetup--- higher default msecs setting Initial Comment: right now the default audio setting for msecs of buffer is set to 70 ms. on my brand new vista laptop, the same was hideously distorted out of the box, probably not a good first impression. perhaps the pd-settings.reg file should set a higher default setting, 300 ms or so. power users will go and tweak to get the best possible, but newbies won't know how to do that and most likely will just think PD is broken in its current state. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Stephen Sinclair (radarsat1) Date: 2007-10-24 23:21 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=616837 Originator: NO I can confirm this is a problem for me on Windows XP. And wow, until just now I had no idea others were experiencing it. I had to up my buffer to 100 ms to get the clicking to go away. I always thought there was something wrong with my computer or something... 70 ms seems pretty big to me, to be causing problems. I figured I'd get problems down at 20 ms or so. Please let me know if there's something I can do to improve latency on my laptop, because 100 ms sucks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Date: 2007-10-24 21:55 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=27104 Originator: NO How does this fair on WinXP and Win2000? Maybe we can set different buffer sizes on the different versions of Windows. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1819692&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1819692 ] InnoSetup--- higher default msecs setting
by SourceForge.net 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1819692 ] InnoSetup--- higher default msecs setting
by SourceForge.net 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

Bugs item #1819692, was opened at 2007-10-25 01:47 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1819692&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: pd-extended Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Josh Steiner (joschi) Assigned to: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Summary: InnoSetup--- higher default msecs setting Initial Comment: right now the default audio setting for msecs of buffer is set to 70 ms. on my brand new vista laptop, the same was hideously distorted out of the box, probably not a good first impression. perhaps the pd-settings.reg file should set a higher default setting, 300 ms or so. power users will go and tweak to get the best possible, but newbies won't know how to do that and most likely will just think PD is broken in its current state. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1819692&group_…

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Re: [PD-dev] ... introducing myself. was Re: can pdvjtools have a place in your cvs external repository?
by lluisgomez＠hangar.org 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

hi list, we made very long bios ;) should we wait more ... or it's ok? ;) ll. S'està citant lluisgomez(a)hangar.org: > El dt 02 de 10 del 2007 a les 13:50 +0200, en/na IOhannes m zmoelnig va > escriure: > >> do you both want to have CVS write access, or just one of you? >> > > yes, we think this will help us also to work in a better way. > >> which reminds me: if anybody wants to get CVS write access, they >> should post their sourceforge usernames with their introduction... >> > > sorry, our sourceforge usernames are : "sergi_ll" and "lluisbigorda" > > ll. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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new auto-builds
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

Just any FYI, you might have noticed that the 0.39.3 autobuilds are going away, naturally. I've added couple new ones: a Pd 0.41 + libs aka "Pd-0.41.0-extended" and a pure:dyne build, which right now is basically the same as "Pd-0.41.0-extended". .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste

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[ pure-data-Patches-1819265 ] print~ can only print dsp-blocks which are 2^n
by SourceForge.net 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

Patches item #1819265, was opened at 2007-10-24 14:17 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by zmoelnig You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1819265&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. >Category: puredata >Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: print~ can only print dsp-blocks which are 2^n Initial Comment: [print~] is not able to print dsp-blocks which are non 2^n-sized correctly. this is not a problem as long as Pd can only handle 2^n blocks. however, miller has mentioned, that this restriction should fall in the near future (though in the CVS version of the upcoming 0.41 this restriction still applies) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Date: 2007-10-24 14:19 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=564396 Originator: YES the attached patch makes [print~] handle blocksizes of any lengths. it might be slower than the original version, but: - who cares about speed in a function like [print~] that is slow per se. - it reduces the number of lines of code by 5 File Added: print_tilde.patch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1819265&group_…

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[ pure-data-Bugs-1819265 ] print~ can only print dsp-blocks which are 2^n
by SourceForge.net 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

Bugs item #1819265, was opened at 2007-10-24 14:17 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1819265&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: v0.41.0 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig) Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Summary: print~ can only print dsp-blocks which are 2^n Initial Comment: [print~] is not able to print dsp-blocks which are non 2^n-sized correctly. this is not a problem as long as Pd can only handle 2^n blocks. however, miller has mentioned, that this restriction should fall in the near future (though in the CVS version of the upcoming 0.41 this restriction still applies) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478070&aid=1819265&group_…

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Re: [PD-dev] [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.3-extended released!
by IOhannes m zmoelnig 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > Finally, it's done! The most polished release of Pd yet. We are > further refining Pd into a truly powerful and usable programming > platform. great and congratulations. does this also mean that the pd-0.39-extended bug's in the tracker are fixed and can be closed? [1815044] blosc~ (tilde missing) [1815041] freeverb~ (no sound) [1815039] FFT (broken on PPC) [1812195] IRC (on xp) [1772720] $0-array (crash) [1746207] only vanilla docs in help-browser [1732313] extra process (on osx dock) [1576865] namespace prefixes broken [...] and probably some more mfg.asdr IOhannes

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