Pd-dev December 2005

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Re: [PD] Re: [PD-dev] Patching in Tongues: The PureData Translation Project
by Tim Blechmann 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

> > > i've once seen a translated version of a programming language ... > > > pretty useless if you want to share the code or even want to > > > understand the code written in another language ... > > On 12/14/05, Mathieu Bouchard <matju(a)artengine.ca> wrote: > > Agreed, but what's your point? > > um, isn't it obvious? the point seems to be that translated > programming languages are useless. that's how i read it anyway ... > > i'd guess it's a vote of 'no confidence' toward your new project. translation is not a bad thing in general ... but i'd like to be able to use pd even if i sit in front of a french computer ... t -- mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de ICQ: 96771783 http://www.mokabar.tk latest mp3: kMW.mp3 http://mattin.org/mp3.html latest cd: Goh Lee Kwang & Tim Blechmann: Drone http://www.geocities.com/gohleekwangtimblechmannduo/ After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say "I want to see the manager." William S. Burroughs

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Re: [PD] Re: [PD-dev] Patching in Tongues: The PureData Translation Project
by Mathieu Bouchard 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, \js wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Tim Blechmann wrote: > > > i've once seen a translated version of a programming language ... > > > pretty useless if you want to share the code or even want to understand > > > the code written in another language ... > On 12/14/05, Mathieu Bouchard <matju(a)artengine.ca> wrote: > > Agreed, but what's your point? > > um, isn't it obvious? the point seems to be that translated > programming languages are useless. that's how i read it anyway ... Well, if that's what he meant, that'd be one hell of a strawman argument... And I've come to expect better from Tim. As I've said, the saving of objects would use exactly the same name. _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801 - http://artengine.ca/matju | Freelance Digital Arts Engineer, Montréal QC Canada

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[rbencina@iprimus.com.au: [OSC_dev] reacTable reacTIVision software released]
by Frank Barknecht 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

Hi, please, someone do a Gem or PDP external from this! Ciao -- Frank ----- Forwarded message from Ross Bencina <rbencina(a)iprimus.com.au> ----- From: Ross Bencina <rbencina(a)iprimus.com.au> To: "Developer's list for the OpenSound Control (OSC) Protocol" <osc_dev(a)create.ucsb.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:06:50 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Subject: [OSC_dev] reacTable reacTIVision software released Hi Everyone The reacTable is a table-based tangible musical instrument developed by the Interactive Sonic Systems team at MTG/UPF Barcelona. I just wanted to let you know that we have made the marker tracking core software of the reacTable available as an open-source project which outputs OSC messages for integration with your favorite applications. You can download reacTIVision source and binaries along with some supporting code and examples for different platforms here: http://www.iua.upf.es/mtg/reacTable/?software Best wishes Ross. _______________________________________________ OSC_dev mailing list OSC_dev(a)create.ucsb.edu http://www.create.ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/osc_dev ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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removing files from externals/build/src
by Hans-Christoph Steiner 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

Now that I have the new build system working smoothly, I'd like to start removing files from externals/build/src, as the are put into externals/Makefile with their own specific Makefile targets. I am not suggesting removing any from the distros, just reorganizing things into individual libdirs so that the namespace works. Any objections? .hc ________________________________________________________________________ ____ As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin

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Is gensym() threadsafe?
by Kjetil S. Matheussen 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

I'm working on the snd external, and wonder about gensyms thread safety. It looks to be, but I'm not quite sure. In case it isn't is there a locking-mechanism or something I can use? I also see that there are some functions called sys_lock or something, how does they work? --

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Using an inlet or outlet both for signals and data.
by Kjetil S. Matheussen 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

...still working on the snd external. I have had dsp processing up and running for some days now, but I spend a lot of time trying to make inlets and outlets both work for signals and data (without succeeding). So now I just use twice the amount of inlets and outlets than what is necessary. Aren't there any way to make an inlet/outlet (except for the first inlet) be able to handle both data and signals? --

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bug tracker for flext and externals
by Thomas Grill 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Hi devels, since i tend to miss mails or forget things i set up a bug tracker for my stuff (flext+externals). http://bugzilla.grrrr.org You have to register to use - i'm glad if you would post your bug reports there. It currently has the crude default interface, i hope i find the time for some customization soon. thanks, Thomas

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[ pure-data-Patches-1378927 ] OSX/pd 0.39: fix for loading externals using static libs
by SourceForge.net 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Patches item #1378927, was opened at 2005-12-12 13:37 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by tigital You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1378927&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: bugfix Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Thomas Grill (xovo) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: OSX/pd 0.39: fix for loading externals using static libs Initial Comment: Hi all, unlike with pd 0.38, externals that share equal symbol names (like when they have been compiled using the same static lib) won't get loaded, but rather bail out with a "linker error". This can be easily fixed by including the NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_PRIVATE option in s_loader.c ret = NSLinkModule( image, filename, NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_BINDNOW | NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_RETURN_ON_ERROR | NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_PRIVATE); Is there a reason this has been taken out in pd 0.39? best greetings, Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jamie Tittle (tigital) Date: 2005-12-12 14:40 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=634044 ...this was kinda covered in the bugtracker last year: "[ 1082938 ] sys_load_lib() on OSX too limited?" https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1082938&group_id=… ...I'd like to suggest we ditch the NSLinkModule() stuff on OSX, as it's been deprecated since 10.3.x: the replacement is (drumroll please), dlopen()! As a matter of fact, hans and I have been using a patch to do just this in the most recent development releases: it's currently available in /packages/patches/darwin/darwin_dlopen.patch, which I would attach, but it's not letting me atm... ...also, I strongly suggest that we make another change in the building of externals, from bundles to dynamic libs: -dynamiclib -mmacosx-version-min=10.3 -undefined dynamic_lookup (or suppress) ...this works for everything I've tried, but admittedly I haven't done it with all externals or flext... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1378927&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-1378927 ] OSX/pd 0.39: fix for loading externals using static libs
by SourceForge.net 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Patches item #1378927, was opened at 2005-12-12 18:37 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by xovo You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1378927&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: bugfix Status: Open Resolution: None >Priority: 7 Submitted By: Thomas Grill (xovo) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: OSX/pd 0.39: fix for loading externals using static libs Initial Comment: Hi all, unlike with pd 0.38, externals that share equal symbol names (like when they have been compiled using the same static lib) won't get loaded, but rather bail out with a "linker error". This can be easily fixed by including the NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_PRIVATE option in s_loader.c ret = NSLinkModule( image, filename, NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_BINDNOW | NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_RETURN_ON_ERROR | NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_PRIVATE); Is there a reason this has been taken out in pd 0.39? best greetings, Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Thomas Grill (xovo) Date: 2005-12-13 16:55 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=350252 here's the patch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jamie Tittle (tigital) Date: 2005-12-12 19:40 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=634044 ...this was kinda covered in the bugtracker last year: "[ 1082938 ] sys_load_lib() on OSX too limited?" https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1082938&group_id=… ...I'd like to suggest we ditch the NSLinkModule() stuff on OSX, as it's been deprecated since 10.3.x: the replacement is (drumroll please), dlopen()! As a matter of fact, hans and I have been using a patch to do just this in the most recent development releases: it's currently available in /packages/patches/darwin/darwin_dlopen.patch, which I would attach, but it's not letting me atm... ...also, I strongly suggest that we make another change in the building of externals, from bundles to dynamic libs: -dynamiclib -mmacosx-version-min=10.3 -undefined dynamic_lookup (or suppress) ...this works for everything I've tried, but admittedly I haven't done it with all externals or flext... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1378927&group_…

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[ pure-data-Patches-1378927 ] OSX/pd 0.39: fix for loading externals using static libs
by SourceForge.net 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Patches item #1378927, was opened at 2005-12-12 18:37 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by xovo You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1378927&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: puredata Group: bugfix Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Thomas Grill (xovo) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: OSX/pd 0.39: fix for loading externals using static libs Initial Comment: Hi all, unlike with pd 0.38, externals that share equal symbol names (like when they have been compiled using the same static lib) won't get loaded, but rather bail out with a "linker error". This can be easily fixed by including the NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_PRIVATE option in s_loader.c ret = NSLinkModule( image, filename, NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_BINDNOW | NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_RETURN_ON_ERROR | NSLINKMODULE_OPTION_PRIVATE); Is there a reason this has been taken out in pd 0.39? best greetings, Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Thomas Grill (xovo) Date: 2005-12-13 16:55 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=350252 here's the patch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jamie Tittle (tigital) Date: 2005-12-12 19:40 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=634044 ...this was kinda covered in the bugtracker last year: "[ 1082938 ] sys_load_lib() on OSX too limited?" https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1082938&group_id=… ...I'd like to suggest we ditch the NSLinkModule() stuff on OSX, as it's been deprecated since 10.3.x: the replacement is (drumroll please), dlopen()! As a matter of fact, hans and I have been using a patch to do just this in the most recent development releases: it's currently available in /packages/patches/darwin/darwin_dlopen.patch, which I would attach, but it's not letting me atm... ...also, I strongly suggest that we make another change in the building of externals, from bundles to dynamic libs: -dynamiclib -mmacosx-version-min=10.3 -undefined dynamic_lookup (or suppress) ...this works for everything I've tried, but admittedly I haven't done it with all externals or flext... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1378927&group_…

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