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Bugs item #3517368, was opened at 2012-04-12 19:30 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3517368...
Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Pixes (pix_ objects) Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Private: No Submitted By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: gem 0.93 does not play .mpg files on Mac OS X
as chris has pointed out, it's probably better to drop mpg support on OSX, rather than trying to fix it (esp. since i don't have too much time right now).
it _is_ a regression, but with a low priority.
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On Oct 23, 2012, at 5:16 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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On 2012-10-22 21:15, SourceForge.net wrote:
Bugs item #3517368, was opened at 2012-04-12 19:30 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by eighthave You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=507079&aid=3517368...
Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Pixes (pix_ objects) Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Private: No Submitted By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: gem 0.93 does not play .mpg files on Mac OS X
as chris has pointed out, it's probably better to drop mpg support on OSX, rather than trying to fix it (esp. since i don't have too much time right now).
it _is_ a regression, but with a low priority.
I think we should leave it open for someone to fix rather than removing it, but I agree, it is low priority.
.hc
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
as chris has pointed out, it's probably better to drop mpg support on OSX, rather than trying to fix it (esp. since i don't have too much time right now).
it _is_ a regression, but with a low priority.
I think we should leave it open for someone to fix rather than removing it, but I agree, it is low priority.
I suggested removing the alea.mpg file (and maybe replace the other antiquated media files too).
There is no way to remove MPEG-1 support as it's part of Quicktime. There's also no way to play an MPEG-1 in an 'alternate' way than just straight ahead QT calls other than completely changing the code to whatever half-assed Cocoa replacement Apple is trying to sell this month. QT used to be a feature rich API for professional media creation, now it's just something that plays video on a phone.
On 10/23/2012 10:31 AM, chris clepper wrote:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
as chris has pointed out, it's probably better to drop mpg support on OSX, rather than trying to fix it (esp. since i don't have too much time right now).
it _is_ a regression, but with a low priority.
I think we should leave it open for someone to fix rather than removing it, but I agree, it is low priority.
I suggested removing the alea.mpg file (and maybe replace the other antiquated media files too).
That sounds like a great idea! I've been shipping Pd-extended with midr-mjpeg.mov, its in pure-data SVN under doc/media. You're welcome to use that one if you want.
There is no way to remove MPEG-1 support as it's part of Quicktime. There's also no way to play an MPEG-1 in an 'alternate' way than just straight ahead QT calls other than completely changing the code to whatever half-assed Cocoa replacement Apple is trying to sell this month. QT used to be a feature rich API for professional media creation, now it's just something that plays video on a phone.
You've captured the problem with Apple these days in a nutshell. Seems like they are going Final Cut X on everything, or worse: its all about selling stuff in iTunes, and everything takes a back seat to that.
After using NeXTSTEP/Mac OS X as my primary OS since 1995 (I was that weird guy with a NeXTSTEP/i386 box at work in 1998), I will never upgrade past Mac OS X 10.6, and these days I'm in Linux Mint 80-90% of the time.
But ultimately, while I'm sad to see NeXTSTEP end like this, I'm happy Apple is going this route because that means they will drive away the people with skills, and send them to free software :) I'm planning on getting involved in etoile/GNUstep to help build a better NeXTSTEP that is also free.
.hc
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
You've captured the problem with Apple these days in a nutshell. Seems like they are going Final Cut X on everything, or worse: its all about selling stuff in iTunes, and everything takes a back seat to that.
After using NeXTSTEP/Mac OS X as my primary OS since 1995 (I was that weird guy with a NeXTSTEP/i386 box at work in 1998), I will never upgrade past Mac OS X 10.6, and these days I'm in Linux Mint 80-90% of the time.
But ultimately, while I'm sad to see NeXTSTEP end like this, I'm happy Apple is going this route because that means they will drive away the people with skills, and send them to free software :) I'm planning on getting involved in etoile/GNUstep to help build a better NeXTSTEP that is also free.
Not to get too sidetracked, but it was the Nexties that killed off Quicktime because they did not understand the first thing about media arts. After the Jobs/Next reverse takeover of Apple the shift was from art to industrial design (and consumer marketing). It was a constant source of frustration for the people working on what was previously Apple's core market. I heard repeatedly from those people at Apple that 'management doesn't get art'.
On 10/23/2012 11:28 AM, chris clepper wrote:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
You've captured the problem with Apple these days in a nutshell. Seems like they are going Final Cut X on everything, or worse: its all about selling stuff in iTunes, and everything takes a back seat to that.
After using NeXTSTEP/Mac OS X as my primary OS since 1995 (I was that weird guy with a NeXTSTEP/i386 box at work in 1998), I will never upgrade past Mac OS X 10.6, and these days I'm in Linux Mint 80-90% of the time.
But ultimately, while I'm sad to see NeXTSTEP end like this, I'm happy Apple is going this route because that means they will drive away the people with skills, and send them to free software :) I'm planning on getting involved in etoile/GNUstep to help build a better NeXTSTEP that is also free.
Not to get too sidetracked, but it was the Nexties that killed off Quicktime because they did not understand the first thing about media arts. After the Jobs/Next reverse takeover of Apple the shift was from art to industrial design (and consumer marketing). It was a constant source of frustration for the people working on what was previously Apple's core market. I heard repeatedly from those people at Apple that 'management doesn't get art'.
Hmm, Max and the web were created on NeXTSTEP because it was such a great media environment. There definitely was a shift to consumer side at Apple, but Apple was always much more consumer focused than NeXTSTEP. The base level machine cost $10,000 in 1990!
.hc
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
Hmm, Max and the web were created on NeXTSTEP because it was such a great media environment. There definitely was a shift to consumer side at Apple, but Apple was always much more consumer focused than NeXTSTEP. The base level machine cost $10,000 in 1990!
My information comes from sitting at One Infinite Loop with the heads of QT, Graphics and Imaging, etc during the transition from QT to QTKit. I was also there the week all of those people were displaced to make room for the iPhone team on campus. It was not a subtle hint where things were going.
On 10/23/2012 11:56 AM, chris clepper wrote:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
Hmm, Max and the web were created on NeXTSTEP because it was such a great media environment. There definitely was a shift to consumer side at Apple, but Apple was always much more consumer focused than NeXTSTEP. The base level machine cost $10,000 in 1990!
My information comes from sitting at One Infinite Loop with the heads of QT, Graphics and Imaging, etc during the transition from QT to QTKit. I was also there the week all of those people were displaced to make room for the iPhone team on campus. It was not a subtle hint where things were going.
Interesting. By the way, I wasn't trying to contradict what you say, but more point out that NeXTSTEP was a great media OS. But yes, all those NeXTSTEP people didn't necessarily stay true to that cause. The lure of heaps of money thru iTunes is I guess too strong.
.hc
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On 2012-10-23 16:31, chris clepper wrote:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
as chris has pointed out, it's probably better to drop mpg support on OSX, rather than trying to fix it (esp. since i don't have too much time right now).
it _is_ a regression, but with a low priority.
I think we should leave it open for someone to fix rather than removing it, but I agree, it is low priority.
I suggested removing the alea.mpg file (and maybe replace the other antiquated media files too).
There is no way to remove MPEG-1 support as it's part of Quicktime.
ah yes, with "dropping mpg support" i mainly meant "not bothering about how good or bad mpg files play back" (thus, officialy "not supporting" it) rather than "removing code that deals with mpg files".
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