mmm, I agree with the idea, but doing that we loose a clear and neat link to Download Pd. Download without specifying what will lead multiple users to not look into it. (specially they are used to see Download Pd).

"Download Pd and related software"? or something like that, but shorter?

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:

good idea n

Le 02/11/12 16:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :

Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd". Since

...

there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer to rename the title to "downloads".

Any objections if I change that?

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That would be great to have, with platform detection as well, so it downloads the right build for your platform. Want to make that happen?

.hc

On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:58 PM, András Murányi wrote:

A contemporary solution could be to rename the Download Pd" menu item to "Downloads" AND to place a prominent (button-like) link on the main page, titled "Download Pd", pointing to http://puredata.info/downloads/featured

András

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com wrote: mmm, I agree with the idea, but doing that we loose a clear and neat link to Download Pd. Download without specifying what will lead multiple users to not look into it. (specially they are used to see Download Pd).

"Download Pd and related software"? or something like that, but shorter?

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
good idea
n

Le 02/11/12 16:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :

Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd".  Since there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer to rename the title to "downloads".

Any objections if I change that?

.hc

You could just have one button for Pd-extended and one for Pd-vanilla, both with platform-detection.

.hc

On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:11 PM, András Murányi wrote:

Well, afaiu one has to choose vanilla or extended before we can offer them a platform-matching binary. Or how do you imagine the sequence?

András

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:

That would be great to have, with platform detection as well, so it downloads the right build for your platform. Want to make that happen?

.hc

On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:58 PM, András Murányi wrote:

...

A contemporary solution could be to rename the Download Pd" menu item to "Downloads" AND to place a prominent (button-like) link on the main page, titled "Download Pd", pointing to http://puredata.info/downloads/featured

András

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com wrote: mmm, I agree with the idea, but doing that we loose a clear and neat link to Download Pd. Download without specifying what will lead multiple users to not look into it. (specially they are used to see Download Pd).

"Download Pd and related software"? or something like that, but shorter?

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
good idea
n

Le 02/11/12 16:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :

Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd".  Since there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer to rename the title to "downloads".

Any objections if I change that?

.hc

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On 2012-11-05 18:10, András Murányi wrote:

Alrite... Browser Detection in Plone is less than straightforward... there is this thing, i wonder if someone is able+willing to install it:

i'm a bit afraid that the currently used zope/plone instance is horribly out of date...we are using plone2.1.x and the mentioned product requires 3.x (or probably 2.5.x).

upgrading has been long on my todo list, but currently there is no date fixed for this...

fgmadsr IOhannes

On 11/07/2012 08:36 PM, András Murányi wrote:

If you could once duplicate the directory structure and the database, I'd be willing to take the upgrade trip...

sounds good.

In the meantime, I think we should just put a "Download Pd" button on the main page that points to "Featured downloads" and then the "Download pd" menu item could be renamed to "Downloads". Where do we want that button? Top of the intro text? Top of the right column?

personally, i'd prefer top of the right column. (but i think my views concerning webdesign are sometimes antique)

fgmadr IOhannes

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.comwrote:

if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at least with this version of Plone, the only I know). I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)

Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old beast.

András

yea, nice..

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.comwrote:

...

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.comwrote:

...

if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at least with this version of Plone, the only I know). I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)

Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old beast.

András

Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo! As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.

András

good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less members than the others, so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.

thanks!

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com wrote:

Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no objections, I'll commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised version here first.

András

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.comwrote:

...

yea, nice..

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>>> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky
>>> (at least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
>>> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
>>> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>>
>>
>> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
>> beast.
>>
>> András
>>
>
> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right
> column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>

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Its great to see you all working on this! That front intro page could definitley use a major overhaul.

About having a dev site, I think it would be a good idea, especially if it is separate from IOhannes. He's already heavily loaded. Like for the plone upgrade, if someone can get the database, files, etc. they should do the upgrade elsewhere, then it could be swapped into place once its settled.

.hc

On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:

We had a discussion in march about the home text: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html it stopped too early :) This may be a base to start n

De : Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com À : András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com Cc : "pdweb@iem.at Web" pdweb@iem.at Envoyé le : Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56 Objet : Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"

good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less members than the others, so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.

thanks!

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com> wrote:
Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no objections, I'll commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised version here first.

András


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com> wrote:
yea, nice..


--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com wrote: if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at least with this version of Plone, the only I know). I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)

Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old beast.

András

Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo! As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.

---

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Pdweb mailing list Pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb

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That's steps in the right direction, for sure. I think you should take a more radical approach: start writing things from scratch, then use the old one as a source for some text here and there.

The current text does a terrible job of explaining to total newbies what Pd is and why they might be interested. The Processing blurb is decent:

"Processing is an open source programming language and environment for people who want to create images, animations, and interactions. Initially developed to serve as a software sketchbook and to teach fundamentals of computer programming within a visual context, Processing also has evolved into a tool for generating finished professional work. Today, there are tens of thousands of students, artists, designers, researchers, and hobbyists who use Processing for learning, prototyping, and production." http://processing.org/

Max/MSP is worth looking at too:

"For over twenty years, Max has been used by performers, artists, and composers to make cutting-edge work by connecting basic functional blocks together into unique applications. Max gives you the parts to make your own music, sound, video, and interactive media applications. Simply add objects to a visual canvas and connect them together to make noise, experiment, and play." http://cycling74.com/products/max/

.hc

On Nov 17, 2012, at 2:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:

Sirs,

I've made a proposal, please take a look and comment: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrM68BbNvi0VrPaLv3__C_wvNgxd5KK2Pp3Ci_1V... (comments are enabled, editing is disabled, please start a new doc for eventual revisions)

András

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr wrote: We had a discussion in march about the home text: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html it stopped too early :) This may be a base to start n

De : Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com À : András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com Cc : "pdweb@iem.at Web" pdweb@iem.at Envoyé le : Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56 Objet : Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"

good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less members than the others, so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.

thanks!

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com> wrote:
Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no objections, I'll commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised version here first.

András


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com> wrote:
yea, nice..


--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com wrote: if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at least with this version of Plone, the only I know). I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)

Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old beast.

András

Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo! As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.

---

Pdweb mailing list Pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb

If you don't mind, I've switched to framapad that doesn't need any account to edit: http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and started to rewrite the first paragraph: * Pure Data*(aka Pd) is an open sourcevisual programming language used for multimedia processing. Starting from a blank page, you graphically create your own software to design realtime multimedia creation (sound, video, 3D), physical interfacing (sensors, 3D camera, joystick), motor control, network communications or any other data computing. Pd is widely used all over the world by a community of people coming from different fields: musicians, visual artist, researchers, developers, performers, spectacle technicians...

I think it lacks an ending... let's finish it together! n

Le 20/11/12 19:41, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :

great Andràs, thanks.

I agree with HC, we should be more radical, and focus the first paragraph on a very simple and concise statement on what Pd does, and who is interested in using it (see processing and max example posted by HC).

• what it does (sound, image, www, for installation, performances,

concerts, interactive scenery, etc... let's use some keywords here)

• who find it useful (artist, programmers, musicians, video artist,

dance company, hardware makers because it's so portable)

• where to get it (your paragraph looks very good to me)
• who did it and why

that should be more than enough... my 2cents!

cheers,

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at 
<mailto:hans@at.or.at>> wrote:


    That's steps in the right direction, for sure.  I think you should
    take a more radical approach: start writing things from scratch,
    then use the old one as a source for some text here and there.

    The current text does a terrible job of explaining to total
    newbies what Pd is and why they might be interested.  The
    Processing blurb is decent:

    "Processing is an open source programming language and environment
    for people who want to create images, animations, and
    interactions. Initially developed to serve as a software
    sketchbook and to teach fundamentals of computer programming
    within a visual context, Processing also has evolved into a tool
    for generating finished professional work. Today, there are tens
    of thousands of students, artists, designers, researchers, and
    hobbyists who use Processing for learning, prototyping, and
    production." http://processing.org/



    Max/MSP is worth looking at too:

    "For over twenty years, Max has been used by performers, artists,
    and composers to make cutting-edge work by connecting basic
    functional blocks together into unique applications. Max gives you
    the parts to make your own music, sound, video, and interactive
    media applications. Simply add objects to a visual canvas and
    connect them together to make noise, experiment, and play."
    http://cycling74.com/products/max/


    .hc

    On Nov 17, 2012, at 2:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:

>     Sirs,
>
>     I've made a proposal, please take a look and comment:
>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrM68BbNvi0VrPaLv3__C_wvNgxd5KK2Pp3Ci_1V17s/edit
>     (comments are enabled, editing is disabled, please start a new
>     doc for eventual revisions)
>
>     András
>
>
>     On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont
>     <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr
>     <mailto:nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>
>         We had a discussion in march about the home text:
>         http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html
>         it stopped too early :)
>         This may be a base to start
>         n
>
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         *De :* Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com
>         <mailto:devel@thesaddj.com>>
>         *À :* András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com
>         <mailto:muranyia@gmail.com>>
>         *Cc :* "pdweb@iem.at <mailto:pdweb@iem.at> Web" <pdweb@iem.at
>         <mailto:pdweb@iem.at>>
>         *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56
>         *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"
>
>         good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way
>         less members than the others,
>         so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.
>
>         thanks!
>
>         --
>         Marco Donnarumma
>         New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher,
>         Director.
>         Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>         Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>         Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>         <http://marcodonnarumma.com/>
>         Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>         <http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/>
>         Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>         <http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/>
>
>
>         On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, András Murányi
>         <muranyia@gmail.com <mailto:muranyia@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with
>             some direct links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is
>             mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of clarification
>             is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The
>             Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there
>             are no objections, I'll commit directly to the page,
>             otherwise I'll post a revised version here first.
>
>             András
>
>
>             On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma
>             <devel@thesaddj.com <mailto:devel@thesaddj.com>> wrote:
>
>                 yea, nice..
>
>
>                 --
>                 Marco Donnarumma
>                 New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer,
>                 Teacher, Director.
>                 Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>                 Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                 Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>                 <http://marcodonnarumma.com/>
>                 Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>                 <http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/>
>                 Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>                 <http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/>
>
>
>                 On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, András Murányi
>                 <muranyia@gmail.com <mailto:muranyia@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                     On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, András Murányi
>                     <muranyia@gmail.com <mailto:muranyia@gmail.com>>
>                     wrote:
>
>                         On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco
>                         Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com
>                         <mailto:devel@thesaddj.com>> wrote:
>
>                             if I remember correctly, adding something
>                             to a page might be tricky (at least with
>                             this version of Plone, the only I know).
>                             I will look into it, although I don't
>                             have much time at the moment, so anybody
>                             who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>
>
>                         Let me into the Zope Management Interface and
>                         I'll try to tame the old beast.
>
>                         András
>
>
>                     Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on
>                     the top of the right column are cooler then I
>                     thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
>                     As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead
>                     of "Download" then.
>
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Pdweb mailing list
>     Pdweb@iem.at <mailto:Pdweb@iem.at>
>     http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb


    _______________________________________________
    Pdweb mailing list
    Pdweb@iem.at <mailto:Pdweb@iem.at>
    http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb




_______________________________________________
Pdweb mailing list
Pdweb@iem.at
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb

hey folks, where can i add my edits?

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:20 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com wrote:

Cool, thanks for the help! Framapad is nice but I have to tell I'm not very self-confident with the French interface... not intimidated though :) I've made a new revision, based on these thoughts:

• "Starting from a blank page" is needless to say, and it doesn't always

apply

• "You" sounds a bit ad-like, let's substitute the target groups right here
• Let's try to make up the sentence without parentheses
• Let's omit the parts which are not essential ("e.g. "all over the world")
• Added a few uses (sorry MIDI is my sweetheart)

I'm not sure about the "Pd is suitable for..." sentence, especially the expression "production-safe"... Let's talk about it.

András

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:

...

If you don't mind, I've switched to framapad that doesn't need any account to edit: http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and started to rewrite the first paragraph:

Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language used for multimedia processing. Starting from a blank page, you graphically create your own software to design realtime multimedia creation (sound, video, 3D), physical interfacing (sensors, 3D camera, joystick), motor control, network communications or any other data computing. Pd is widely used all over the world by a community of people coming from different fields: musicians, visual artist, researchers, developers, performers, spectacle technicians...

I think it lacks an ending... let's finish it together! n

Le 20/11/12 19:41, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :

great Andràs, thanks.

I agree with HC, we should be more radical, and focus the first paragraph on a very simple and concise statement on what Pd does, and who is interested in using it (see processing and max example posted by HC).

• what it does (sound, image, www, for installation, performances,

concerts, interactive scenery, etc... let's use some keywords here)

• who find it useful (artist, programmers, musicians, video artist, dance

company, hardware makers because it's so portable)

• where to get it (your paragraph looks very good to me)
• who did it and why

that should be more than enough... my 2cents!

cheers,

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at>wrote:

>
>  That's steps in the right direction, for sure.  I think you should
> take a more radical approach: start writing things from scratch, then use
> the old one as a source for some text here and there.
>
>  The current text does a terrible job of explaining to total newbies
> what Pd is and why they might be interested.  The Processing blurb is
> decent:
>
>  "Processing is an open source programming language and environment for
> people who want to create images, animations, and interactions. Initially
> developed to serve as a software sketchbook and to teach fundamentals of
> computer programming within a visual context, Processing also has evolved
> into a tool for generating finished professional work. Today, there are
> tens of thousands of students, artists, designers, researchers, and
> hobbyists who use Processing for learning, prototyping, and production."
> http://processing.org/
>
>
>  Max/MSP is worth looking at too:
>
>  "For over twenty years, Max has been used by performers, artists, and
> composers to make cutting-edge work by connecting basic functional blocks
> together into unique applications. Max gives you the parts to make your own
> music, sound, video, and interactive media applications. Simply add objects
> to a visual canvas and connect them together to make noise, experiment, and
> play." http://cycling74.com/products/max/
>
>
>  .hc
>
>   On Nov 17, 2012, at 2:21 PM, András Murányi wrote:
>
>   Sirs,
>
> I've made a proposal, please take a look and comment:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrM68BbNvi0VrPaLv3__C_wvNgxd5KK2Pp3Ci_1V17s/edit
> (comments are enabled, editing is disabled, please start a new doc for
> eventual revisions)
>
> András
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>>  We had a discussion in march about the home text:
>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html
>> it stopped too early :)
>> This may be a base to start
>> n
>>
>>
>>    ------------------------------
>> *De :* Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com>
>> *À :* András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>
>> *Cc :* "pdweb@iem.at Web" <pdweb@iem.at>
>> *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56
>> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"
>>
>> good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less
>> members than the others,
>> so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct
>> links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny
>> bit of clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The
>> Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no
>> objections, I'll commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised
>> version here first.
>>
>> András
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>> yea, nice..
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>>   On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>  On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>  On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at
>> least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
>> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
>> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>
>>
>> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
>> beast.
>>
>> András
>>
>>
>>  Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right
>> column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
>> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Sorry for the french interface, I thought it was localized... I've moved everything on an english piratepad: http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00

so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.

best, n

________________________________ De : András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com À : pdweb@iem.at Envoyé le : Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47 Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to "Downloads")

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com wrote:

hey folks, where can i add my edits?

Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away... You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner). It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)

András

_______________________________________________ Pdweb mailing list Pdweb@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb

This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:

Pure Data (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without writing lines and lines of text. Pd is used to process and generate sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, sensor data, input devices, MIDI and more. Pd can easily work over local and remote networks so to integrate wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks on desktop and mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.

.hc

On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:

cool, thanks Nicolas. I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see it on the pad, meanwhile, what about it:

Pure Data (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without writing strings of code. Pd software is used to process and generate sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, and interface sensors, input devices, and MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and remote networks so to integrate wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks on laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.

cheers,

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
Sorry for the french interface,
I thought it was localized...
I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00

so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.

best,
n



De : András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>
À : pdweb@iem.at 
Envoyé le : Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to "Downloads")

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com> wrote:
hey folks, where can i add my edits?


Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)

András

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Pdweb@iem.at
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb



_______________________________________________
Pdweb mailing list
Pdweb@iem.at
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb


_______________________________________________
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Pdweb@iem.at
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb

I've made an update to the text. Deleted repetitions (eg.: multiplatform), the "ideal tool" expression (let's keep it cool :o) and moved the remark about learning back to the end. I'm happy with the other changes that have been made, so when you guys feel the same, we may want to move towards publishing.

András

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com wrote:

looks good thanks!

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at>wrote:

>
> This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:
>
> *Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
> enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and
> developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those
> who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without
> writing lines and lines of text. Pd is used to process and generate sound,
> video, 2D/3D graphics, sensor data, input devices, MIDI and more. Pd can
> easily work over local and remote networks so to integrate wearable
> technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is
> fully cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks on desktop
> and mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale
> projects.
>
>
> .hc
>
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
> cool, thanks Nicolas.
> I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see it
> on the pad, meanwhile, what about it:
>
> *Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
> enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and
> developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those
> who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without
> writing strings of code. Pd software is used to process and generate
> sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, and interface sensors, input devices,  and
> MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and remote networks so to integrate
> wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment.
> Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks on
> laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked systems for
> large-scale projects.
>
> cheers,
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the french interface,
>> I thought it was localized...
>> I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>
>> so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.
>>
>> best,
>> n
>>
>>
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>> *De :* András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>
>> *À :* pdweb@iem.at
>> *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
>> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to
>> "Downloads")
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>> hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>>
>>
>> Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
>> You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
>> It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon
>> lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)
>>
>> András
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdweb mailing list
>> Pdweb@iem.at
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdweb mailing list
>> Pdweb@iem.at
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb@iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
>
>

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cool,

I've rewritten the second paragraph as well. English should be checked... I think we miss a simple paragraph between 1st and 2nd on what is graphical programming. And we need to rewrite the actual 3th and 4th in one. The fifth could be extended with a little introduction on what are the sections of this site.

best, n

________________________________ De : Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com À : András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com Cc : "pdweb@iem.at" pdweb@iem.at Envoyé le : Mercredi 23 janvier 2013 3h03 Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to "Downloads")

feels good for me!

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:21 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com wrote:

I've made an update to the text. Deleted repetitions (eg.: multiplatform), the "ideal tool" expression (let's keep it cool :o) and moved the remark about learning back to the end. I'm happy with the other changes that have been made, so when you guys feel the same, we may want to move towards publishing.

András

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com wrote:

looks good thanks!

...

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net



On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> wrote:


>
>This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:
>
>
>Pure Data (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and  developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without writing lines and lines of text. Pd is used to process and generate sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, sensor data, input devices, MIDI and more. Pd can easily work over local and remote networks so to integrate wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks on desktop and mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.
>
>
>
>.hc
>
>
>On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
>cool, thanks Nicolas.
>>I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see it on the pad, meanwhile, what about it:
>>
>>
>>Pure Data(aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers,and  developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data 

from a varied range of media without writing strings of code. Pd software is used toprocess andgenerate  sound, video,2D/3D graphics,andinterfacesensors, input devices,  and MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and remotenetworksso tointegrate wearable technology,motorsystems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks on laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.

...

...

...

cheers,

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net



On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:

Sorry for the french interface,
>I thought it was localized...
>I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
>http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>
>so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.
>
>best,
>n
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> De : András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>
>À : pdweb@iem.at 
>Envoyé le : Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
>Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to "Downloads")
> 
>
>
>On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com> wrote:
>
>hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>>
>>
>Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
>You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
>It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)
>
>András
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Pdweb mailing list
>Pdweb@iem.at
>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Pdweb mailing list
>Pdweb@iem.at
>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
>
_______________________________________________
Pdweb mailing list
Pdweb@iem.at
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb

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I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to avoid extra iterations. I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph: the points about pd being free and being available in source are missing now, as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals but it's also patched. Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors. So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before the last commit. All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes: why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might just keep changing until the end of times :o) I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming, but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words). I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are two different points (extendability, history).

András

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:

Sounds good, I say push the updates to the site! :)

.hc

On 01/23/2013 06:04 AM, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:

...

cool,

I've rewritten the second paragraph as well. English should be checked... I think we miss a simple paragraph between 1st and 2nd on what is

graphical programming.

...

And we need to rewrite the actual 3th and 4th in one. The fifth could be extended with a little introduction on what are the

sections of this site.

...

best, n

---

De : Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com À : András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com Cc : "pdweb@iem.at" pdweb@iem.at Envoyé le : Mercredi 23 janvier 2013 3h03 Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to

"Downloads")

...

feels good for me!

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:21 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

I've made an update to the text. Deleted repetitions (eg.:

multiplatform), the "ideal tool" expression (let's keep it cool :o) and moved the remark about learning back to the end. I'm happy with the other changes that have been made, so when you guys feel the same, we may want to move towards publishing.

...

...

András

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com

wrote:

...

...

looks good thanks!

...

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net



On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at>

wrote:

...

...

...

...

This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:

Pure Data (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd

enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without writing lines and lines of text. Pd is used to process and generate sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, sensor data, input devices, MIDI and more. Pd can easily work over local and remote networks so to integrate wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks on desktop and mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.

...

...

...

...

.hc

On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:

cool, thanks Nicolas.

...

I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see

it on the pad, meanwhile, what about it:

...

...

...

...

...

Pure Data(aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd

enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers,and developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data

...

from a varied range of media without writing strings of code. Pd software is used toprocess andgenerate sound, video,2D/3D

graphics,andinterfacesensors, input devices, and MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and remotenetworksso tointegrate wearable technology,motorsystems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks

...

on laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.

...

...

...

...

cheers,

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net



On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <

nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:

...

...

...

...

...

Sorry for the french interface, > I thought it was localized... > I've moved everything on an english piratepad: > http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00 > > so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead. > > best, > n > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > De : András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com > À : pdweb@iem.at > Envoyé le : Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47 > Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to

"Downloads")

...

...

...

...

...

> > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <

devel@thesaddj.com> wrote:

...

...

...

...

...

> > hey folks, where can i add my edits? >> >> > Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away... > You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner). > It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock

icon lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)

...

...

...

...

...

> > András > > > _______________________________________________

not at first, but you've got a point there :)

"lines" better?

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:30 PM, IOhannes zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:

On 01/23/2013 08:16 PM, András Murányi wrote:

...

I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to avoid extra iterations.

i find "strings of code" rather confusing....can anybody else hear guitars?

fgarm IOhannes

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updated once agin: http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00

i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to cancel the corrections I've made. Please edit directly or comment, correct! best, n

Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :

Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a écrit :

...

I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to avoid extra iterations. I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:

I think as well it must be corrected.

...

the points about pd being free and being available in source are missing now,

I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.

...

as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals but it's also patched.

I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain Pd-extended in one line.

...

Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors.

please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.

...

So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before the last commit. All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes: why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might just keep changing until the end of times :o)

You are right: What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text, but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers, than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing the informations, and to start from the beginning.

...

I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming, but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).

I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only used once in the text in the sentence: It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions") or by utilising object classes ("externals").

No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally fundamental.

...

I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are two different points (extendability, history).

If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for comparisons with pd's: http://cycling74.com/whatismax/

I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph: The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole package very much a community effort.

is redundant now.

It should be nice to have other opinions on all that? We are close to publishing :) Best, n

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OK, I've made a light review. It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on it.

András

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:

hello all,

it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two months now. you can edit directly online or comment here. Best, n

Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :

updated once agin: http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00

i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to cancel the corrections I've made. Please edit directly or comment, correct! best, n

Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :

Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a écrit :

I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to avoid extra iterations. I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:

I think as well it must be corrected.

the points about pd being free and being available in source are missing now,

I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.

as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals but it's also patched.

I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain Pd-extended in one line.

Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors.

please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.

So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before the last commit. All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes: why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might just keep changing until the end of times :o)

You are right: What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text, but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers, than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing the informations, and to start from the beginning.

I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming, but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).

I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only used once in the text in the sentence: It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions") or by utilising object classes ("externals").

No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally fundamental.

I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are two different points (extendability, history).

If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for comparisons with pd's: http://cycling74.com/whatismax/

I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph: The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole package very much a community effort.

is redundant now.

It should be nice to have other opinions on all that? We are close to publishing :) Best, n

-- http://nim.on.free.fr

hey all,

http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00

I just made some edit (in dark violet). I also copied the previous text below.

It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to make it extremely clear.

let me know, cheers!

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.com wrote:

hey, I'm touring in Poland until next week. I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.

cheers, M

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote:

> OK, I've made a light review.
> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on it.
>
> András
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>>  hello all,
>>
>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
>> months now.
>> you can edit directly online or comment here.
>> Best,
>> n
>>
>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>
>> updated once agin:
>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>
>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to
>> cancel the corrections I've made.
>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>> best,
>> n
>>
>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>
>>
>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a écrit :
>>
>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to
>> avoid extra iterations.
>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>>
>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>
>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are missing
>> now,
>>
>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>
>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals
>> but it's also patched.
>>
>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>
>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather "maintained"
>> by him as it contains code from various authors.
>>
>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
>>
>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before
>> the last commit.
>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes:
>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might
>> just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>
>> You are right:
>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
>> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>>
>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming,
>> but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).
>>
>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only used
>> once in the text in the sentence:
>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions") or
>> by  utilising object classes ("externals").
>>
>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>> fundamental.
>>
>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are
>> two different points (extendability, history).
>>
>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
>> comparisons with pd's:
>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>
>>
>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and   maintained by Miller
>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers,   making the whole
>> package very much a community effort.
>>
>> is redundant now.
>>
>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>> We are close to publishing :)
>> Best,
>> n
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I think it's mature enough to go online. Then of course it will still be open for currections or new ideas.

Linking (from words like "download", "GEM", etc etc) is something we haven't discussed - I'm personally for linking everything that can be, and for linking one topic only once.

András

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:

cool,

good for me. n

Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :

hey all,

http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00

I just made some edit (in dark violet). I also copied the previous text below.

It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to make it extremely clear.

let me know, cheers!

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com>wrote:

>  hey,
>  I'm touring in Poland until next week.
> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>
> cheers,
>  M
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
>   On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  OK, I've made a light review.
>> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on it.
>>
>> András
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>> nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>>  hello all,
>>>
>>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
>>> months now.
>>> you can edit directly online or comment here.
>>> Best,
>>> n
>>>
>>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>>
>>> updated once agin:
>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>
>>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to
>>> cancel the corrections I've made.
>>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>>> best,
>>> n
>>>
>>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a écrit :
>>>
>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to
>>> avoid extra iterations.
>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>>>
>>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>
>>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are
>>> missing now,
>>>
>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>>
>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals
>>> but it's also patched.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>>
>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather "maintained"
>>> by him as it contains code from various authors.
>>>
>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
>>>
>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before
>>> the last commit.
>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes:
>>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might
>>> just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>>
>>> You are right:
>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
>>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
>>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
>>> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>>>
>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming,
>>> but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).
>>>
>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only
>>> used once in the text in the sentence:
>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions")
>>> or  by  utilising object classes ("externals").
>>>
>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>>> fundamental.
>>>
>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are
>>> two different points (extendability, history).
>>>
>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
>>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
>>> comparisons with pd's:
>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>
>>>
>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and   maintained by Miller
>>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers,   making the whole
>>> package very much a community effort.
>>>
>>> is redundant now.
>>>
>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>> We are close to publishing :)
>>> Best,
>>> n
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Err... picture(s), screenshot(s)? Maybe on a separate linked page?

BTW it seems the wiki is invaded by spammers (?) https://puredata.info/recently_modified

András

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.comwrote:

cool, let's put it online. I'm also to link all that can be sensibly linked.

then of course it stays open to corrections.

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London

Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote:

> I think it's mature enough to go online.
> Then of course it will still be open for currections or new ideas.
>
> Linking (from words like "download", "GEM", etc etc) is something we
> haven't discussed - I'm personally for linking everything that can be, and
> for linking one topic only once.
>
>
> András
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>>  cool,
>>
>> good for me.
>> n
>>
>> Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a écrit :
>>
>>   hey all,
>>
>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>
>>  I just made some edit (in dark violet).
>>  I also copied the previous text below.
>>
>>  It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to
>> make it extremely clear.
>>
>>  let me know,
>> cheers!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  hey,
>>>  I'm touring in Poland until next week.
>>> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>  M
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, András Murányi <muranyia@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  OK, I've made a light review.
>>>> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> András
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>>>> nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
>>>>> months now.
>>>>> you can edit directly online or comment here.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> n
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> updated once agin:
>>>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>>>
>>>>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually
>>>>> to cancel the corrections I've made.
>>>>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>>>>> best,
>>>>> n
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, András Murányi a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is,
>>>>> to avoid extra iterations.
>>>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>>>
>>>>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are
>>>>> missing now,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>>>>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than
>>>>> vanilla+externals but it's also patched.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>>>>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather
>>>>> "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors.
>>>>>
>>>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly"
>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked
>>>>> before the last commit.
>>>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>>>>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes:
>>>>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might
>>>>> just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>>>>
>>>>> You are right:
>>>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>>>>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>>>>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
>>>>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
>>>>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
>>>>> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical
>>>>> programming, but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without
>>>>> words).
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only
>>>>> used once in the text in the sentence:
>>>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions")
>>>>> or  by  utilising object classes ("externals").
>>>>>
>>>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>>>>> fundamental.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they
>>>>> are two different points (extendability, history).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
>>>>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
>>>>> comparisons with pd's:
>>>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and   maintained by Miller
>>>>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers,   making the whole
>>>>> package very much a community effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> is redundant now.
>>>>>
>>>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>>>> We are close to publishing :)
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> n
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>

Le 11/04/13 15:43, András Murányi a écrit :

Err... picture(s), screenshot(s)? Maybe on a separate linked page?

Yes, but how to choose them?

One or two years ago, there was: - an additive synthesis patch - a netpd screenshot - a screenshot of hans's solitude data structure piece - a msd editor screenshot - a very old chdh screenshot - a man drawn in pd objects

here for example: http://web.archive.org/web/20110226084249/http://puredata.info/

There was two of them related to my projects, I want to precise I was not implied in the choice! Concerning these two pictures, here are my thoughts: - remove msd editor screenshot as I don't maintain msd anymore - if you still want to have a chdh screenshot, there is newer ones here: http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/egregore7.jpg or http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/egregore5.jpg

For the others, It may be a good thing to pick projects that have been presented in pd conventions, it means they were validated by a committee... a simple patch is a good idea I agree to keep hans's solitude because it is a very specific project. maybe we need a physical computing project as well?

Best,

n

BTW it seems the wiki is invaded by spammers (?) https://puredata.info/recently_modified

András

I agree with having a/some simple patch(es) and a/some complicated one(s), also to illustrate GEM. I'm not sure about the others because those pictures won't be there to be really studied, rather for a quick glance. They could be placed under the text, between paragraphs, or in column at the right side of the text.

Meanwhile, I think, the text could be put online, and pictures could be added when they are ready. Marco, would you take action on the text, please?

András

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Marco Donnarumma devel@thesaddj.comwrote:

like the idea of illustrating projects admitted at a pd con. and yes, perhaps it would be nice to have a pic that loosely refer to each of the applications we mentioned in the text, i.e.

"graphics rendering (GEM library), OSC communications, binary file processing, audio-visual streaming, physical modeling, sensor-based performances"

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:

>
> Le 11/04/13 15:43, András Murányi a écrit :
>
>  Err... picture(s), screenshot(s)? Maybe on a separate linked page?
>>
> Yes, but how to choose them?
>
> One or two years ago, there was:
> - an additive synthesis patch
> - a netpd screenshot
> - a screenshot of hans's solitude data structure piece
> - a msd editor screenshot
> - a very old chdh screenshot
> - a man drawn in pd objects
>
> here for example:
> http://web.archive.org/web/**20110226084249/http://**puredata.info/<http://web.archive.org/web/20110226084249/http://puredata.info/>
>
> There was two of them related to my projects, I want to precise I was not
> implied in the choice!
> Concerning these two pictures, here are my thoughts:
> - remove msd editor screenshot as I don't maintain msd anymore
> - if you still want to have a chdh screenshot, there is newer ones here:
> http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/**egregore7.jpg<http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/egregore7.jpg>
> or
> http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/**egregore5.jpg<http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/egregore5.jpg>
>
> For the others, It may be a good thing to pick projects that have been
> presented in pd conventions, it means they were validated by a committee...
> a simple patch is a good idea
> I agree to keep hans's solitude because it is a very specific project.
> maybe we need a physical computing project as well?
>
> Best,
>
>
> n
>
>
>> BTW it seems the wiki is invaded by spammers (?) https://puredata.info/*
>> *recently_modified <https://puredata.info/recently_modified>
>>
>> András
>>
>>
>

yea, meant more, visually-engaging pics... nobody gonna study pics of patches :)

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, IOhannes zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:

On 04/12/2013 02:00 PM, András Murányi wrote:

...

I agree with having a/some simple patch(es) and a/some complicated one(s), also to illustrate GEM. I'm not sure about the others because those pictures won't be there to be really studied,

i agree that i'm having troubles to visualize a nice-looking patch that show-cases "binary file processing" in any meaningful way (apart from the fact, that this is probably really not one of the strong points of Pd)

fgsdmsrdt IOhannes

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yes please. n

Le 23/04/13 22:34, András Murányi a écrit :

So.... shall I push the new text to the front page?

András

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com mailto:devel@thesaddj.com> wrote:

yea, meant more, visually-engaging pics... nobody gonna study pics
of patches :)

--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, IOhannes zmölnig <zmoelnig@iem.at
<mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at>> wrote:

    On 04/12/2013 02:00 PM, András Murányi wrote:

        I agree with having a/some simple patch(es) and a/some
        complicated one(s),
        also to illustrate GEM. I'm not sure about the others
        because those
        pictures won't be there to be really studied,



    i agree that i'm having troubles to visualize a nice-looking
    patch that show-cases "binary file processing" in any
    meaningful way (apart from the fact, that this is probably
    really not one of the strong points of Pd)


    fgsdmsrdt
    IOhannes

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cool, thanks!

the addition is fine for me.

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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:26 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com wrote:

OK, done. No pictures yet. One question: does anyone have objections against including DesireData in the list "Max/FTS, ISPW Max, Max/MSP, jMax, etc."?

András

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:

...

yes please. n

Le 23/04/13 22:34, András Murányi a écrit :

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yes, organization sounds good :) I'm keen to work and maintain the design, if others are ok with it.

Also agree with Nicolas, about working first on a dev domain, and then migrate to the live website. is it feasible?

-- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:

Le 07/11/12 20:36, András Murányi a écrit :

If you could once duplicate the directory structure and the database, I'd

...

be willing to take the upgrade trip...

That may be a really big improvement for the pd website!!

Thanks for applying for this task :)

I think it may be really simpler to manage the website, and it'll be really more clear.

It may be as well a good time to define responsabilities, as we suggested earlier this year. Like, every section has a manager that sometimes checks that everything is going well. i think as well marco may be in charge of the design, if he and everyone agree. I may handle the community section.

Is it possible to have a working copy online that we can modify and then to switch from the old to the new one? I was wondering as well if the upgrade towards a new version of plone is too complex cause of the age of our version, if we may ask for an advice to plone developpers?

Best, n

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On 11/09/2012 07:06 PM, András Murányi wrote:

Definitely that is the way. By "duplicating" I meant exactly this: to make a completely independent, not publicly visible copy of the existing web site, where we can play around until it's perfect. Attention: we'll have to take into account, however, that the existing web site may evolve meanwhile we're playing around with the copy, so before finally swapping in the new one for the old one, we'll have to make sure that any content that was added to the new one is reflected on the new one as well. We'll how see how exactly this is best achieved.

glad to see so much activity here...

About the first steps: according to [1] it's not really a copy of the

the biggest problem i remember is, that the puredata.info instance uses a custom plone product for storing media files on the filesystem rather than within the zodb. currently, there are about 3GB of files external to the zodb; after an upgrade those files should still be available somehow. this might require either someone with zope/plone skills illing to upgrade that product manually or a patient hand (manually copying the files).

existing site that we'll need but an EMPTY Plone 3.3.x install. When IOhannes has the time to set it up, we're ready to go.

i'm basically out-of-office for the next 2 weeks, but after that my stress level should diminsh considerably.

fgmasdr IOhannes

Not knowing much about Plone yet, I agree with the plan, except that step 1 shall be performed by someone having FTP access to the site (IOhannes). So do I understand right, that rather than migrating the whole content as it is, you are suggesting a restructuring/cleanup? If so, I support the idea, but the process will need to be refined further.

András

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Nicolas Montgermont < nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr> wrote:

Hello all,

I was thinking on how we may manage this switching, specially if we must have to start from a fresh install, I think there are few clear steps:

1 - installing a new hidden plone. 2 - thinking the architecture of the new site 3 - filling the architecture with the "old" content 4 - graphical design of the new site 5 - filling the website with member contents 6 - checking and switching to the new version.

A proposal on how we should do that: step 1 : handled by Andras. step 2 : discussion on this list step 3 : handled by section responsables (if we agree on this kind of organisation) step 4 : discussion on this list and marco's implementation. step 5 : maybe we can send a mail to every member of the actual site to have them move their own content? step 6 : pdweb-list and maybe pd-list help.

I think it's no problem if we have all this switching lasting a few months. The longest step for me is step 5, and I think it's really better if we let a long time to people to switch their content. An intermediate part of the website between members and architecture is the community section, where it is good to have people create their own page for patching circles and others. I am ok to write a little tutorial to achieve an homogen creation of specific pages, and to write individual mails to each local groups member.

best, n

Le 09/11/12 22:41, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

...

On 11/09/2012 07:06 PM, András Murányi wrote:

...

Definitely that is the way. By "duplicating" I meant exactly this: to make a completely independent, not publicly visible copy of the existing web site, where we can play around until it's perfect. Attention: we'll have to take into account, however, that the existing web site may evolve meanwhile we're playing around with the copy, so before finally swapping in the new one for the old one, we'll have to make sure that any content that was added to the new one is reflected on the new one as well. We'll how see how exactly this is best achieved.

glad to see so much activity here...

...

About the first steps: according to [1] it's not really a copy of the

the biggest problem i remember is, that the puredata.info instance uses a custom plone product for storing media files on the filesystem rather than within the zodb. currently, there are about 3GB of files external to the zodb; after an upgrade those files should still be available somehow. this might require either someone with zope/plone skills illing to upgrade that product manually or a patient hand (manually copying the files).

existing site that we'll need but an EMPTY Plone 3.3.x install. When

...

IOhannes has the time to set it up, we're ready to go.

i'm basically out-of-office for the next 2 weeks, but after that my stress level should diminsh considerably.

fgmasdr IOhannes