There has been talk in the past about making a Fink package for Mac OS X. I think the time is ripe to make one. Tigital has also been talking about making an X11 version for Mac OS X, and I think it makes perfect sense to combine these two efforts.
The Pd-extended build system is generalized enough that it should be relatively straightforward to do this. The biggest thing to do would probably be making X11 a build option for Pd on Mac OS X, probably using a ./configure flag (--disable-aqua?)
Any interest out there still? I don't have any time to do this myself, but I will be happy to assist anyone who wants to learn the ins and outs of the Pd-extended build system as it is now.
.hc
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The Pd-extended build system is generalized enough that it should be relatively straightforward to do this. The biggest thing to do would probably be making X11 a build option for Pd on Mac OS X, probably using a ./configure flag (--disable-aqua?)
Wouldn't that instead be by reordering the priority of the INCLUDE dirs? depends on whether it's e.g. -ltcl -ltk in both TkAqua and TkX11, or whether the options are different, e.g. -framework Tcl -framework Tk in one and -l in the other. If the options are the same then it should be just a matter of priority. But then the things from Fink either have to be bundled with pd (static linking or other) or else everyone must run Fink, right?
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On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The Pd-extended build system is generalized enough that it should be relatively straightforward to do this. The biggest thing to do would probably be making X11 a build option for Pd on Mac OS X, probably using a ./configure flag (--disable-aqua?)
Wouldn't that instead be by reordering the priority of the INCLUDE dirs? depends on whether it's e.g. -ltcl -ltk in both TkAqua and TkX11, or whether the options are different, e.g. -framework Tcl -framework Tk in one and -l in the other. If the options are the same then it should be just a matter of priority. But then the things from Fink either have to be bundled with pd (static linking or other) or else everyone must run Fink, right?
A fink package would use fink dependencies, just like a Debian packages uses Debian dependencies. Its a bigger problem than just which Tcl/Tk libs to compile against since in the source, #ifdef __APPLE__ and #ifdef MACOSX assume Tcl/Tk Aqua.
.hc
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hey all,
On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:34 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The Pd-extended build system is generalized enough that it should be relatively straightforward to do this. The biggest thing to do would probably be making X11 a build option for Pd on Mac OS X, probably using a ./configure flag (--disable-aqua?)
Wouldn't that instead be by reordering the priority of the INCLUDE dirs? depends on whether it's e.g. -ltcl -ltk in both TkAqua and TkX11, or whether the options are different, e.g. -framework Tcl -framework Tk in one and -l in the other. If the options are the same then it should be just a matter of priority. But then the things from Fink either have to be bundled with pd (static linking or other) or else everyone must run Fink, right?
A fink package would use fink dependencies, just like a Debian packages uses Debian dependencies. Its a bigger problem than just which Tcl/Tk libs to compile against since in the source, #ifdef __APPLE__ and #ifdef MACOSX assume Tcl/Tk Aqua.
...I've actually had versions before that worked in X11 (while a/b testing tcl/tk aqua changes), so it's not a really big deal, but a bit bigger than just changing the linkage...the "hidden" problem to be addressed is that I had switched from using the tcl/tk.framework's to using fink's x11 tcl/tk, so it wound up using pd-gui like on linux...this works fine for a command line version of pd-x11, which is likely what a fink package would be...but we can probably do better still ;-)
...recent versions of the tcl/tk.framework's actually include both aqua AND x11 versions, so it's feasible to retain the app package of pd-extended, but have it auto-launch x11 when needed (like gimp or inkscape on osx)...this'll require some work, but will definitely be a help while getting aqua tcl/tk up to snuff...
jamie
On Feb 20, 2006, at 10:10 AM, james tittle wrote:
hey all,
On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:34 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The Pd-extended build system is generalized enough that it should be relatively straightforward to do this. The biggest thing to do would probably be making X11 a build option for Pd on Mac OS X, probably using a ./configure flag (--disable-aqua?)
Wouldn't that instead be by reordering the priority of the INCLUDE dirs? depends on whether it's e.g. -ltcl -ltk in both TkAqua and TkX11, or whether the options are different, e.g. -framework Tcl -framework Tk in one and -l in the other. If the options are the same then it should be just a matter of priority. But then the things from Fink either have to be bundled with pd (static linking or other) or else everyone must run Fink, right?
A fink package would use fink dependencies, just like a Debian packages uses Debian dependencies. Its a bigger problem than just which Tcl/Tk libs to compile against since in the source, #ifdef __APPLE__ and #ifdef MACOSX assume Tcl/Tk Aqua.
...I've actually had versions before that worked in X11 (while a/b testing tcl/tk aqua changes), so it's not a really big deal, but a bit bigger than just changing the linkage...the "hidden" problem to be addressed is that I had switched from using the tcl/tk.framework's to using fink's x11 tcl/tk, so it wound up using pd-gui like on linux...this works fine for a command line version of pd-x11, which is likely what a fink package would be...but we can probably do better still ;-)
I am fine having a command-line only Fink version. It could then easily go-exist with a Pd.app.
...recent versions of the tcl/tk.framework's actually include both aqua AND x11 versions, so it's feasible to retain the app package of pd-extended, but have it auto-launch x11 when needed (like gimp or inkscape on osx)...this'll require some work, but will definitely be a help while getting aqua tcl/tk up to snuff...
This would be nice in the long run, even have it as a preference whether to launch with X11 or Aqua. But then this would not need to be distributed thru fink, but rather just a .dmg Apple-style download.
.hc
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