So now SourceForge has set up a method of getting donations. I think we should really utilize this feature, but of course we need to sort out how first. I am thinking that it would probably be easiest and most effective if the donations were targeted, i.e. a Pd Dev puts up a post saying "I will do X if you give me $xxx", so it would be project based. Then it would also sort out who gets the money. But I think it would be great if there was a Pd general fund, then we could use that to pay people for past work, or pay people to do work that needs to be done, but isn't getting done.
I would love to give up my day job and devote that time to hacking on Pd. I am sure many of you feel the same. The hard part is getting it all set up so that its fair and effective.
.hc
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Wow, Hans-Christopher, another thread, which will cause about one million replies...
Which of all those Pd-addicteds should decide, what to do with money donated to Pd? only Miller can.(?) Anyway, a fund is a great idea, maybe to get the things running we should start with a kind of competition for each year (month), where projects are awarded with a prize or future projects could apply for money.
There could be a jury, or actually everybody on the list could rate and estimate the various projects, still someone would have to decide to who the oscar goes to...
the idea of "pay people for past work", ... hmmm, is rather an illusion.
Marius.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" hans@eds.org To: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:36 AM Subject: [PD-dev] SourceForge "Donations"
So now SourceForge has set up a method of getting donations. I think we should really utilize this feature, but of course we need to sort out how first. I am thinking that it would probably be easiest and most effective if the donations were targeted, i.e. a Pd Dev puts up a post saying "I will do X if you give me $xxx", so it would be project based. Then it would also sort out who gets the money. But I think it would be great if there was a Pd general fund, then we could use that to pay people for past work, or pay people to do work that needs to be done, but isn't getting done.
I would love to give up my day job and devote that time to hacking on Pd. I am sure many of you feel the same. The hard part is getting it all set up so that its fair and effective.
.hc
Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish. -William Carlos Williams
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Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
But I think it would be great if there was a Pd general fund, then we could use that to pay people for past work, or pay people to do work that needs to be done, but isn't getting done.
Do you think there are people willing to pay for stuff they could get for free sooner or later? - Please don't get me wrong, I really like the idea of getting paid but my experience shows that cool and free software is only cool and free as long as one can ask the developer for new features without having to pay to for them to be implemented. (Or even without having to fear the answer "I only will do this for money!")
I would love to give up my day job and devote that time to hacking on Pd. I am sure many of you feel the same.
Yes, I like this idea, too. But wouldn't this change the way the Pd community works?
I've decreased my Pd-coding activities to a minimum for some time now because I was tired of getting back 'just bug reports'. This does not mean that money is everything but I realised that I often enough ended up in spending time on coding stuff I didn't need for my own work. Having a central Pd-donation system could help to get in money for some things, but I'm very unshure whether people would actually donate some money for stuff that is already there. As you pointed out some time ago, since everything is open source it's often easier and faster to implement new features by just hacking the code instead of asking (and now probably paying) the original developer...
Olaf
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
So now SourceForge has set up a method of getting donations. I think we should really utilize this feature, but of course we need to sort out how first. I am thinking that it would probably be easiest and most effective if the donations were targeted, i.e. a Pd Dev puts up a post saying "I will do X if you give me $xxx", so it would be project based. Then it would also sort out who gets the money. But I think it would be great if there was a Pd general fund, then we could use that to pay people for past work, or pay people to do work that needs to be done, but isn't getting done.
Seems to be critical. The only way I could imagine this to work out would be that we first have to meet in personal, set up some structure, hierarchies, etc. etc. ... we are still far away from this stage.
We could open something like a job market, then people in need of a missing features can put up offers.
Well, all of this needs a lot of more thought ..
Guenter
I would love to give up my day job and devote that time to hacking on Pd. I am sure many of you feel the same. The hard part is getting it all set up so that its fair and effective.
.hc
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i think its a good idea, definitely should be explored. the gnome project recently (with the help of novel/ximian) setup some "bounties" which seem like a good way to do this:
http://www.gnome.org/bounties/
another method is that like the freenet project uses: they hire a fulltime developer paid entirely by donations to a central fund. as i think olaf pointed out, this requires someone with the power/will to decide who to hire and how to rate their performance... sounds somewhat political and sticky.
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