The 0.38.3 version of pd is a much nicer install than the .37 version, especially on OS X because it keeps everything in one place inside a .app file that the end user simply double clicks to launch. The older version throws files all over the place. Thanks to those who did the work on this.
There is a disadvantage to the new version though, in that it isn't possible to search for pd objects using the standard OS find utility because it can't search inside of .app files. I can open the .app but I can't search it. This could be solved by integrating a search function into pd itself. As a new user it is difficult to find objects and their documentation without the ability to search.
Is this a suggestion worthy of developer attention?
Also because the "5 Reference" section contains listings which all start with "help-" you must type at least six characters before you can get to the point in the menu where you want be. If they were structured like the following it would be easier to get around:
acoustics-help.pd
Where do I find help-fiddle~.pd? It isn't in the "5 Reference" section of the help menu where I would expect to find it. In fact I cannot find any reference to fiddle in any of the help menus, yet I can make the object and control click to get the help. As a new user I don't understand the logic of the help menu.
Mike
On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:42 PM, mike2005@acc.ocad.on.ca wrote:
The 0.38.3 version of pd is a much nicer install than the .37 version, especially on OS X because it keeps everything in one place inside a .app file that the end user simply double clicks to launch. The older version throws files all over the place. Thanks to those who did the work on this.
There is a disadvantage to the new version though, in that it isn't possible to search for pd objects using the standard OS find utility because it can't search inside of .app files. I can open the .app but I can't search it. This could be solved by integrating a search function into pd itself. As a new user it is difficult to find objects and their documentation without the ability to search.
Is this a suggestion worthy of developer attention?
Very much so, and has been a hot topic with developers recently. Check the Pd-dev IRC meeting logs for more info:
http://puredata.org/community/IRC
Also because the "5 Reference" section contains listings which all start with "help-" you must type at least six characters before you can get to the point in the menu where you want be. If they were structured like the following it would be easier to get around:
acoustics-help.pd
Where do I find help-fiddle~.pd? It isn't in the "5 Reference" section of the help menu where I would expect to find it. In fact I cannot find any reference to fiddle in any of the help menus, yet I can make the object and control click to get the help. As a new user I don't understand the logic of the help menu.
*-help.pd is the new standard. No one has done the grunt work of converting the old help-*.pd files to the new standard...
.hc
Mike
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Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
*-help.pd is the new standard. No one has done the grunt work of converting the old help-*.pd files to the new standard...
Provided Perl is installed and the included "rename.pl" or "rename" is available, then this will move the "help" from start to end in one command:
$ rename 's/^help-(.*).pd$/$1-help.pd/' *
Ciao
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
*-help.pd is the new standard. No one has done the grunt work of
this is news to me too. since when, where and why do you think that "help-*" is older (and i guess you mean by that: more deprecated) than "*-help" ???
both ways have there benefits, and i wouldn't like to miss "help-*".
mfg.a.sdr IOhannes
On Apr 3, 2005, at 2:31 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
*-help.pd is the new standard. No one has done the grunt work of
this is news to me too. since when, where and why do you think that "help-*" is older (and i guess you mean by that: more deprecated) than "*-help" ???
both ways have there benefits, and i wouldn't like to miss "help-*".
Here's the key quote:
------------------------ OK, so as not to uproot people again I'll make it search for both, but let's regard "metro-help.pd", etc., as the preferred form.
cheers Miller
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Here's the whole thread:
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2003-09/001519.html
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mike2005@acc.ocad.on.ca wrote:
Where do I find help-fiddle~.pd? It isn't in the "5 Reference" section of the help menu where I would expect to find it. In fact I cannot find any reference to fiddle in any of the help menus, yet I can make the object and control click to get the help. As a new user I don't understand the logic of the help menu.
the help system tries to be a bit dynamic. if you load an external that is located in /tmp (e.g. /tmp/myexternal) than the associated reference-files are first searched in a path relative to this "origin" (e.g. the ref-file is assumed to be /tmp/help-myexternal.pd).
this is a _feature_ as it keeps object (external) and reference together.
since fiddle~ is technically an external to pd (located in ./extra) it would be a good idea to look there.
if you have problems with finding files i would suggest using "locate", "find", "finder" and he "search"-feature of "explorer"
mfgc.cda.s. IOhannes
Hey Johannes, you missed the bit about the Mac OSX finder not searching inside the pd.app, in other words that method cannot be used to find help files inside PD.app's on OSX. Mike, for a stop-gap you can search in the terminal:
% cd /Applications/pd.app % find . -name "*fiddle*" -print
Will print out all the files containing the word "fiddle" to the STDOUT.
This will all go away with the potencial help files searching system. :)
B.
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
if you have problems with finding files i would suggest using "locate", "find", "finder" and he "search"-feature of "explorer"
mfgc.cda.s. IOhannes
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