Hi all:

is desiredata still alive? i posted a couple of messages about trying to get an OSX version from SVN compiling a month or two ago and never got any replies..

DesireData has been in hibernation, let's say;) but still alive, at least i hope. hum, i didn't see your messages, i guess you have subscribed to the list? also, DesireData don't have its own SVN, its part of PD's CVS.

a while ago (8 months or so) someone helped us to to get it going on OSX, but i didn't get to test out fully how well or badly it worked on OSX:/

otherwise, what's the status on UI development? if i was to just dive headfirst and try and fix some of the things that have been bugging me over the last week, is that at all useful or helpful? or is there someone i should talk to first?

i haven't been involved in development of any open source projects before, and i guess i'm just not sure what the procedure normally is.

in particular (i'm running Miller's 0.40-2 on OSX 10.4):

• i'd like to bring in the multiple-level undo code from dd, or implement

something similar

AFAIK, multiple undo/redo is partially implemented in DesireData, at least the command/action histories and so.

• there seem to be some OSX-specific issues around sub-windows switching

between PD windows - apple-` doesn't switch between PD sub-windows like it should. this could also be a Tcl/Tk issue.

• there are consistent problems with populating the Window menu
• the scrollbar down arrow is 95% hidden on the main Pd window, so

scrolling messages down involves clicking a two-pixel-high strip, which is really hard

• i'd like to put a scrollbar on the path preferences, so more than 10

lines can fit

• mouse cursor alignment over the outlet 'plugs' on objects is bloody

frustrating for new users (i've spent the week watching one) and it's just an offset issue i think

• preserving newlines in comments! i don't know how possible this is (how

tied comments are to Pd's core messaging system) but i'd love to be able to have multi-paragraph documentation with one comment object

• occasionally when switching into a sub-window the mouse x offset is

completely munted, so Tcl/Tk thinks the mouse is way over from where it should be

• other things i can't think of right now

i suppose what i'm really asking is - if i went ahead and spent a week fixing all the UI things that really bugged me, assuming my code wasn't really stupid or ugly or bad, what's the chances my changes would make it out into the world, and so be useful for people who aren't me?

you are more than welcome to contribute to DesireData of course, though i can't really say when dd as a project will reach to the user level. but the more people helping out, the closer it will get there, i guess.

on the other hand, i will be just as happy to see these changes/features in Pd mainline.

if you are interested in dd, the easiest way to get hold of either matju or me will be on the irc, we are at the #desiredata channel on freenode, same as where #dataflow is. or maybe you have already visited there?

hope this helps and looking forward to hear from you.

cheers

chun

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