Did you look at a text file in Pd with this patch? I guess I should have been more clear about where it applies. The Times font only applies to viewing text files in Pd, not to anything else. You cannot change the font size of a text file in Pd. So I spec'ed Times 14 over Courier 12. The font is definitely big enough, and can easily be made bigger if need be. I think that Times works well there because it clearly distinguishes the text files from the patches. Try opening up 2.control.examples/00.INTRO.txt for example. Its a minor change.
Good point on the tk-style font specs, everything should be done that way. I'll try that now...
.hc
On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:09 PM, B. Bogart wrote:
Times!? please no!
Keep courier or use a sans-serif like helvetica.
I think switching to tk font specs {helvetica -12 bold| would be better than sticking with the funny X11 font spec.
My 2cents.
Times is just too fine for small text. sans-serif is the way to go.
b>
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I would like to propose a minor font change to make text more readable. First, in the console, make the text regular rather than bold. Usually regular fonts are used in terminal windows and bold is only for highlights.
-text .printout.text -relief raised -bd 2 -font -*-courier-bold--normal--12-* \ +text .printout.text -relief raised -bd 2 -font -*-courier-regular--normal--12-* \
Secondly, courier is not a font meant for reading text, but rather terminals and things like that. So I propose changing the default font in text windows (not used very often) to Times Regular 14 point.
- text $name.text -relief raised -bd 2 -font
-*-courier-bold--normal--12-* \
- text $name.text -relief raised -bd 2 -font
-*-times-regular--normal--14-* \
Attached is a diff patch file. This should work on all platforms since those fonts are already used within Pd. Lastly is a Mac OS X only change: setting minimun line size for anti-aliasing. If set to 1 or 0, then every line will be anti-aliased. While this makes connections and circles in [bng] and such look really good, it makes boxes and messages look out of focus. Setting this to 2 makes it so only the thick audio rate connections are anti-aliased
set tk::mac::CGAntialiasLimit 2.hc
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Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Did you look at a text file in Pd with this patch? I guess I should have been more clear about where it applies. The Times font only applies to viewing text files in Pd, not to anything else. You cannot change the font size of a text file in Pd. So I spec'ed Times 14 over Courier 12. The font is definitely big enough, and can easily be made bigger if need be. I think that Times works well there because it clearly distinguishes the text files from the patches. Try opening up 2.control.examples/00.INTRO.txt for example. Its a minor change.
It's a big change, if you look at "5.reference/0.INTRO.txt" instead, because all alignment is wrecked there.
Anyway Times is not really good as a screen font because of its Serifs. It's better to use a Sans Serif font on screen (just take a look at any webpage: Nobody is using Serif fonts there except for the "Print Page" preview.)
If there should be a proportional font in Pd, it should be a kind of Sans Serif font like Helvetica or Arial. (Or better yet one of the nice looking Bitstream fonts.)
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On Jun 13, 2005, at 6:00 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Did you look at a text file in Pd with this patch? I guess I should have been more clear about where it applies. The Times font only applies to viewing text files in Pd, not to anything else. You cannot change the font size of a text file in Pd. So I spec'ed Times 14 over Courier 12. The font is definitely big enough, and can easily be made bigger if need be. I think that Times works well there because it clearly distinguishes the text files from the patches. Try opening up 2.control.examples/00.INTRO.txt for example. Its a minor change.
It's a big change, if you look at "5.reference/0.INTRO.txt" instead, because all alignment is wrecked there.
The formatting of other included .txt files is wrecked regardless of the font (check the About Pd... txt for example, at least on OSX).
Anyway Times is not really good as a screen font because of its Serifs. It's better to use a Sans Serif font on screen (just take a look at any webpage: Nobody is using Serif fonts there except for the "Print Page" preview.)
I guess its no surprise that this site uses Times:
others: http://harpers.org/ http://www.newyorker.com/
basically, sites oriented towards reading paragraphs, rather than application text, headlines, and blurbs.
If there should be a proportional font in Pd, it should be a kind of Sans Serif font like Helvetica or Arial. (Or better yet one of the nice looking Bitstream fonts.)
The Times font is already used in Pd. Its one of the three options. I just thought it would be helpful to differentiate the txt files from patches in the simplest way possible: using the already included fonts. The whole serif/sans debate just seems like a fad, some decades serifs are more readable, other decades sans. That's a debate I want no part of.
Ultimately, the txt function is Pd is barely used, so if people hate Times, nobody has to use it. I just put it out there, and I am done with the issue.
.hc
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