Can't figure this one out: Version: Pd 0.43.4extended OS: Mac OSX Version 10.7.5
1) Querying the tcl version with the tcl prompt: pdtk_post "[info patchlevel]\n" 8.5.11
2) Query OSX's wish version in a terminal: % info patchlevel 8.5.9
3) building a ttk::notebook through Pd's tcl prompt: toplevel .t pack [ttk::notebook .t.n] .t.n add [ttk::frame .t.n.f1] -text "hello" .t.n add [ttk::frame .t.n.f2] -text "world"
You get the old "carbon" notebook that doesn't look native
4) building a ttk::notebook through OSX terminal wish prompt: (same as above)
You get a "Tab View" as shown in Apple's HIG:
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Concep...
Obviously I want the native "Tab View", but Pd won't give it to me. Version 8.5.9 and greater are supposed to hook into Cocoa for drawing native widgets. I assume 8.5.11 is greater than 8.5.9, so why is Pd displaying old-style Carbon widgets, and how do I change that behavior?
-Jonathan
Pd-extended on Mac OS X uses a built-in Tcl/Tk that's included inside the app. That is a 32-bit Carbon version, not Cocoa nor 64-bit. Pd's Tcl code has some issues running on Tk/Cocoa, it would be awesome if someone could try to fix them. I beleive they are in the bug tracker.
If you want to try with a stock Pd-extended 0.43.4, just remove the Tcl.framework and Tk.framework from inside of the app wrapper, and it should use the one included in /System/Library/Frameworks or /Library/Frameworks.
.hc
On 06/10/2013 03:00 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Can't figure this one out: Version: Pd 0.43.4extended OS: Mac OSX Version 10.7.5
- Querying the tcl version with the tcl prompt:
pdtk_post "[info patchlevel]\n" 8.5.11
- Query OSX's wish version in a terminal:
% info patchlevel 8.5.9
- building a ttk::notebook through Pd's tcl prompt:
toplevel .t pack [ttk::notebook .t.n] .t.n add [ttk::frame .t.n.f1] -text "hello" .t.n add [ttk::frame .t.n.f2] -text "world"
You get the old "carbon" notebook that doesn't look native
- building a ttk::notebook through OSX terminal wish prompt:
(same as above)
You get a "Tab View" as shown in Apple's HIG:
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Concep...
Obviously I want the native "Tab View", but Pd won't give it to me. Version 8.5.9 and greater are supposed to hook into Cocoa for drawing native widgets. I assume 8.5.11 is greater than 8.5.9, so why is Pd displaying old-style Carbon widgets, and how do I change that behavior?
-Jonathan
Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at To: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] OSX tcl/tk version
Pd-extended on Mac OS X uses a built-in Tcl/Tk that's included inside the app. That is a 32-bit Carbon version, not Cocoa nor 64-bit. Pd's Tcl code has some issues running on Tk/Cocoa, it would be awesome if someone could try to fix them. I beleive they are in the bug tracker.
I tried searching the bug tracker for cocoa, apple, osx, macos, carbon... didn't find what you're referring to. If you can steer me in the right direction I'd be happy to take a look. (I'm already looking at why Pd gives duplicated menu entries for "Preferences" so I might as well...)
If you want to try with a stock Pd-extended 0.43.4, just remove the Tcl.framework and Tk.framework from inside of the app wrapper, and it should use the one included in /System/Library/Frameworks or /Library/Frameworks.
Thanks.
Btw-- does anyone know a way to screw around with the contents of an OSX *.app that _doesn't_ require giving root password every time I make a change? It's quite telling that the user can run an app dl'd from the net, but the idea that a user would ever change what an app does to suit their needs is so remote that you have to call the administrator in to sign off on it.
-Jonathan
.hc
On 06/10/2013 03:00 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Can't figure this one out: Version: Pd 0.43.4extended OS: Mac OSX Version 10.7.5
- Querying the tcl version with the tcl prompt:
pdtk_post "[info patchlevel]\n" 8.5.11
- Query OSX's wish version in a terminal:
% info patchlevel 8.5.9
- building a ttk::notebook through Pd's tcl prompt:
toplevel .t pack [ttk::notebook .t.n] .t.n add [ttk::frame .t.n.f1] -text "hello" .t.n add [ttk::frame .t.n.f2] -text "world"
You get the old "carbon" notebook that doesn't look native
- building a ttk::notebook through OSX terminal wish prompt:
(same as above)
You get a "Tab View" as shown in Apple's HIG:
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Concep...
Obviously I want the native "Tab View", but Pd won't give it to me. Version 8.5.9 and greater are supposed to hook into Cocoa for drawing native widgets. I assume 8.5.11 is greater than 8.5.9, so why is Pd displaying old-style Carbon widgets, and how do I change that behavior?
-Jonathan
Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
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On 06/18/2013 10:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at To: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] OSX tcl/tk version
Pd-extended on Mac OS X uses a built-in Tcl/Tk that's included inside the app. That is a 32-bit Carbon version, not Cocoa nor 64-bit. Pd's Tcl code has some issues running on Tk/Cocoa, it would be awesome if someone could try to fix them. I beleive they are in the bug tracker.
I tried searching the bug tracker for cocoa, apple, osx, macos, carbon... didn't find what you're referring to. If you can steer me in the right direction I'd be happy to take a look. (I'm already looking at why Pd gives duplicated menu entries for "Preferences" so I might as well...)
Hmm, can't find them either. Memory fails me...
If you want to try with a stock Pd-extended 0.43.4, just remove the Tcl.framework and Tk.framework from inside of the app wrapper, and it should use the one included in /System/Library/Frameworks or /Library/Frameworks.
Thanks.
Btw-- does anyone know a way to screw around with the contents of an OSX *.app that _doesn't_ require giving root password every time I make a change? It's quite telling that the user can run an app dl'd from the net, but the idea that a user would ever change what an app does to suit their needs is so remote that you have to call the administrator in to sign off on it.
Copy the app to your desktop, then your user should own all the files.
.hc
-Jonathan
.hc
On 06/10/2013 03:00 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Can't figure this one out: Version: Pd 0.43.4extended OS: Mac OSX Version 10.7.5
- Querying the tcl version with the tcl prompt:
pdtk_post "[info patchlevel]\n" 8.5.11
- Query OSX's wish version in a terminal:
% info patchlevel 8.5.9
- building a ttk::notebook through Pd's tcl prompt:
toplevel .t pack [ttk::notebook .t.n] .t.n add [ttk::frame .t.n.f1] -text "hello" .t.n add [ttk::frame .t.n.f2] -text "world"
You get the old "carbon" notebook that doesn't look native
- building a ttk::notebook through OSX terminal wish prompt:
(same as above)
You get a "Tab View" as shown in Apple's HIG:
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Concep...
Obviously I want the native "Tab View", but Pd won't give it to me. Version 8.5.9 and greater are supposed to hook into Cocoa for drawing native widgets. I assume 8.5.11 is greater than 8.5.9, so why is Pd displaying old-style Carbon widgets, and how do I change that behavior?
-Jonathan
Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
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