hi all ...
i'm curious, if i shall add the code to set the font type to devel_0_38. since the change from courier to tahoma was done by accident and courier is back in devel_0_37 and 38, i'm curious, if someone would actually use the feature to set the default font from the command line ...
if no one asks for that feature until tomorrow evening, i won't add it ...
cheers ... tim
Tim Blechmann schrieb:
i'm curious, if i shall add the code to set the font type to devel_0_38. since the change from courier to tahoma was done by accident and courier is back in devel_0_37 and 38, i'm curious, if someone would actually use the feature to set the default font from the command line ...
if no one asks for that feature until tomorrow evening, i won't add it
I'd prefer Tahoma if its easy... Aligment issues are less important than aesthetics for me. Tahoma is very efficient in it's space usage. (The narrow counterpart of the monstrous Verdana)
Reini Urban said:
I'd prefer Tahoma if its easy... Aligment issues are less important than aesthetics for me. Tahoma is very efficient in it's space usage. (The narrow counterpart of the monstrous Verdana)
I think the width of the pd-objects is not adjusted to the width of the font, so if you have a wide font, it will be displayed even outside the borders. and also the mousecursor will not jump to the right position, if you click into the object.
Hallo, Marius Schebella hat gesagt: // Marius Schebella wrote:
I think the width of the pd-objects is not adjusted to the width of the font, so if you have a wide font, it will be displayed even outside the borders. and also the mousecursor will not jump to the right position, if you click into the object.
It is adjusted, however the (x,y) positions will stay the same, so you will have overlaps if your font is too big.
Attached is a snapshot of Pd with Courier replaced by "bitstream vera sans mono" and font size 36.
Ciao
Hallo, Reini Urban hat gesagt: // Reini Urban wrote:
I'd prefer Tahoma if its easy... Aligment issues are less important than aesthetics for me. Tahoma is very efficient in it's space usage. (The narrow counterpart of the monstrous Verdana)
Both don't come with Linux and they are not allowed to be redistributed (see http://tinyurl.com/4wyt8) anymore (see http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ on that special "hack" for Verdana, but not Tahoma).
The change Tim commited just will allow you to specify the font to use yourself, so you don't have to use Verdana, and I can carry on to use Courier (or "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono Bold 10", which is my favourite fixed width font and it's a free as in speech font.).
Ciao
Frank Barknecht schrieb:
Reini Urban hat gesagt: // Reini Urban wrote:
I'd prefer Tahoma if its easy... Aligment issues are less important than aesthetics for me. Tahoma is very efficient in it's space usage. (The narrow counterpart of the monstrous Verdana)
Both don't come with Linux and they are not allowed to be redistributed (see http://tinyurl.com/4wyt8) anymore (see http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ on that special "hack" for Verdana, but not Tahoma).
yep. Verdana is the bad example.
The change Tim commited just will allow you to specify the font to use yourself, so you don't have to use Verdana, and I can carry on to use Courier (or "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono Bold 10", which is my favourite fixed width font and it's a free as in speech font.).
Thanks. Bitstream Vera and Tahoma are my favorites. We could even add "Bitstream Vera" to the distro. I added it also to my libming package.
And maybe some time add some metrics calculation code.
Hallo, Reini Urban hat gesagt: // Reini Urban wrote:
Thanks. Bitstream Vera and Tahoma are my favorites. We could even add "Bitstream Vera" to the distro. I added it also to my libming package.
And maybe some time add some metrics calculation code.
I'm especially waiting for anti-aliasing of fonts on X-Windows, which will come with tk-8.5.
The metrics for the bitstream vera mono font are okay, actually. See the pd.tk-bitstream I posted on pd-list yesterday.
Ciao
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:23:55AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Reini Urban hat gesagt: // Reini Urban wrote:
Thanks. Bitstream Vera and Tahoma are my favorites. We could even add "Bitstream Vera" to the distro. I added it also to my libming package.
And maybe some time add some metrics calculation code.
I'm especially waiting for anti-aliasing of fonts on X-Windows, which will come with tk-8.5.
dont know if its just me (i've defoma-add all the winfonts), but miller's version of PD has always showed up as screenfuls of empty white boxes on linux, i think it's due to configuring tk with --enable-xft..if i change the font to anything besids courier it works fine..so yes please thanks for the font menu tim!
The metrics for the bitstream vera mono font are okay, actually. See the pd.tk-bitstream I posted on pd-list yesterday.
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On Oct 31, 2004, at 5:14 AM, cdr wrote:
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:23:55AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Reini Urban hat gesagt: // Reini Urban wrote:
Thanks. Bitstream Vera and Tahoma are my favorites. We could even add "Bitstream Vera" to the distro. I added it also to my libming package.
And maybe some time add some metrics calculation code.
I'm especially waiting for anti-aliasing of fonts on X-Windows, which will come with tk-8.5.
dont know if its just me (i've defoma-add all the winfonts), but miller's version of PD has always showed up as screenfuls of empty white boxes on linux, i think it's due to configuring tk with --enable-xft..if i change the font to anything besids courier it works fine..so yes please thanks for the font menu tim!
I've never heard of that happening. I've installed Pd on many Debian boxes, on x86 and PPC, albeit using the debian packages, but never had any font problems.
.hc
The metrics for the bitstream vera mono font are okay, actually. See the pd.tk-bitstream I posted on pd-list yesterday.
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I'd prefer Tahoma if its easy... Aligment issues are less important than aesthetics for me. Tahoma is very efficient in it's space usage. (The narrow counterpart of the monstrous Verdana)
if it's about space usage ... maybe it would be useful to add a width feature to select bold, narrow, whatever ... current default is bold ...
t
hi there,
if it's about space usage ... maybe it would be useful to add a width feature to select bold, narrow, whatever ... current default is bold ...
now my growing apple thinking gets into the way of linux thinking :-)
even if you introduce the font+fontsize+fontstyle startup parameters we still need reasonable defaults. handing problems over to the end user is no solution, imho. i am not against that but it does not solve the problem - that seems to be that people are not satisfied with courier (although i personally start to like it more and more - it is quite unique (on the mac))
actually there are some options:
- have it look different on different systems (tahoma is not standard on mac, so we would need a different default font there)
- have it look the same + use system fonts (that is the current state. i do not know any fonts beside arial and courier that are standard on win+linux+mac)
- use a specific pd-font. frank's looks quite good i think. this font has to be free as in beer. although most systems store fonts in specific places there are a lot of apps that come with their own fonts. think of computer games.
maybe we should vote? tomorrow :-)
lg martin
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