The new icon is growing on me, mainly in that it clearly scales better.
I think what is bothering me about it is mainly that the proportions see a bit off when compared to both other macOS icons and the existing vanilla and extended icons.
My 2 cents:
* the new one is too wide and thin, doesn't quite fit into the overall square profile of the macOS icons * I don't think it needs the tilde * the bang button is too small * the line weight on the edges is too thin and gets lost on small zoom lenses as compared to the other icons * the horz center gradient is still a little much, maybe the more blurred gradient on the extended icon works better? * I'm assuming the font use is Deja Sans Mono?
I think it just needs some tweaks to find a more middle ground with the vanilla and extended icon.
On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:56 AM, pd-dev-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Paul Rankin <hello@paulwrankin.com mailto:hello@paulwrankin.com> Subject: Re: [PD-dev] Update to extended icons? Date: June 28, 2017 at 3:10:48 AM GMT+2 To: Miller Puckette <msp@ucsd.edu mailto:msp@ucsd.edu> Cc: Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>, pd-dev@iem.at mailto:pd-dev@iem.at
Whichever you go with, here's a script for converting PNG files into retina *.icns: https://gist.github.com/rnkn/d29fcfbf1c46f9c1465468b8965175b6 https://gist.github.com/rnkn/d29fcfbf1c46f9c1465468b8965175b6
Input needs to be PNG 1024 x 1024.
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, at 11:01 AM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Anyway, if there's better stuff about I'm happy to grab it.
I have a copy of Pd extended (I think pretty much the latest one) squirreled away - I just stuck a copy of their icons here:
http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/pd-extended-icons.zip http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/pd-extended-icons.zip
I can't judge what makes a good mac icon (anything on a mac screen is ugly to me :)
An emoticon closing a parenthetical?!?
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Whoops, forgot the comparison pic: https://www.flickr.com/photos/danomatika/35548999851/in/photolist-WakV9x https://www.flickr.com/photos/danomatika/35548999851/in/photolist-WakV9x
On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
The new icon is growing on me, mainly in that it clearly scales better.
I think what is bothering me about it is mainly that the proportions see a bit off when compared to both other macOS icons and the existing vanilla and extended icons.
My 2 cents:
- the new one is too wide and thin, doesn't quite fit into the overall square profile of the macOS icons
- I don't think it needs the tilde
- the bang button is too small
- the line weight on the edges is too thin and gets lost on small zoom lenses as compared to the other icons
- the horz center gradient is still a little much, maybe the more blurred gradient on the extended icon works better?
- I'm assuming the font use is Deja Sans Mono?
I think it just needs some tweaks to find a more middle ground with the vanilla and extended icon.
On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:56 AM, pd-dev-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-dev-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Paul Rankin <hello@paulwrankin.com mailto:hello@paulwrankin.com> Subject: Re: [PD-dev] Update to extended icons? Date: June 28, 2017 at 3:10:48 AM GMT+2 To: Miller Puckette <msp@ucsd.edu mailto:msp@ucsd.edu> Cc: Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>, pd-dev@iem.at mailto:pd-dev@iem.at
Whichever you go with, here's a script for converting PNG files into retina *.icns: https://gist.github.com/rnkn/d29fcfbf1c46f9c1465468b8965175b6 https://gist.github.com/rnkn/d29fcfbf1c46f9c1465468b8965175b6
Input needs to be PNG 1024 x 1024.
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, at 11:01 AM, Miller Puckette wrote:
Anyway, if there's better stuff about I'm happy to grab it.
I have a copy of Pd extended (I think pretty much the latest one) squirreled away - I just stuck a copy of their icons here:
http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/pd-extended-icons.zip http://msp.ucsd.edu/tmp/pd-extended-icons.zip
I can't judge what makes a good mac icon (anything on a mac screen is ugly to me :)
An emoticon closing a parenthetical?!?
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On 2017년 07월 03일 00:10, Dan Wilcox wrote:
*From:*Paul Rankin <hello@paulwrankin.com mailto:hello@paulwrankin.com>
Whichever you go with, here's a script for converting PNG files into retina *.icns: https://gist.github.com/rnkn/d29fcfbf1c46f9c1465468b8965175b6
Input needs to be PNG 1024 x 1024.
Seems like this script is Mac OS only, so I was using this online tool: https://iconverticons.com/online/
I kinda hate the new icon and I don't think any new icon should be taken without more people taking a look at it and sharing their two cents. I have the same problems with it or agree with the rest, to highlight a few.
2017-07-02 19:10 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com:
- the new one is too wide and thin, doesn't quite fit into the overall
square profile of the macOS icons
+1
- I don't think it needs the tilde
+1 - I think it should NOT have a tilde, that's a major change, and it's fine without it.
I think it just needs some tweaks to find a more middle ground with the
vanilla and extended icon.
Extended and Vanilla are basically the same, right? And the extended one has a better quality, how about just adapting from the extended icon with minor changes? This is very drastic, jumps to my eye, and it's not getting better with time.
cheers
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens. I'd be up for using it if we could get the original vector graphics file for it and generate newer PNGs & ICNS files.
On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
And the extended one has a better quality, how about just adapting from the extended icon with minor changes?
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Meanwhile... should I just revert to the older ones?
cheers M On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 12:24:36AM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens. I'd be up for using it if we could get the original vector graphics file for it and generate newer PNGs & ICNS files.
On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
And the extended one has a better quality, how about just adapting from the extended icon with minor changes?
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Yes, I think so. We didn't really get too far with the feedback before the PR was merged.
On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:28 AM, Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu wrote:
Meanwhile... should I just revert to the older ones?
cheers M On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 12:24:36AM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens. I'd be up for using it if we could get the original vector graphics file for it and generate newer PNGs & ICNS files.
On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
And the extended one has a better quality, how about just adapting from the extended icon with minor changes?
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In my view the extended icon is terrible, to the point where I couldn't use Pd without replacing the icon, so a comparison where someone would prefer it over the retina icon baffles me. I can understand people having opinions about a particular aesthetic, but requests to make the retina design look more like the extended translate to me as "make it look worse." So I'll bow out of this one.
On Mon, 3 Jul 2017, at 08:24 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens. I'd be up for using it if we could get the original vector graphics file for it and generate newer PNGs & ICNS files.>
On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:> > And the extended one has a better quality, how about just adapting from the extended icon with minor changes?>
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My previous quote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens.
is in relation to the vanilla icon.
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On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:47 AM, Paul Rankin hello@paulwrankin.com wrote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens.
A useful clarification. Does anyone have an opinion as to the design of the vanilla vs. the extended icons/ Seems like the thing to do is choose one or the other set, but then re-paint them in 1024x1024.
cheers M
On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 02:23:26AM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
My previous quote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens.
is in relation to the vanilla icon.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:47 AM, Paul Rankin hello@paulwrankin.com wrote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens.
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THat's what I'm thinking. I emailed Hans about the vector graphics source file for the extended icon.
On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu wrote:
A useful clarification. Does anyone have an opinion as to the design of the vanilla vs. the extended icons/ Seems like the thing to do is choose one or the other set, but then re-paint them in 1024x1024.
cheers M
On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 02:23:26AM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
My previous quote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens.
is in relation to the vanilla icon.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:47 AM, Paul Rankin hello@paulwrankin.com wrote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens.
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Hi Dan, I quickly made one addressing some of your points. This uses the current Pd font, not Courier and it uses the plain colors. It has the shadow on a separate layer. Feel free whatever you like with it. Made with IOannes SVG export plugin...
On 2017년 07월 03일 02:33, Dan Wilcox wrote:
THat's what I'm thinking. I emailed Hans about the vector graphics source file for the extended icon.
On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Miller Puckette <msp@ucsd.edu mailto:msp@ucsd.edu> wrote:
A useful clarification. Does anyone have an opinion as to the design of the vanilla vs. the extended icons/ Seems like the thing to do is choose one or the other set, but then re-paint them in 1024x1024.
cheers M
On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 02:23:26AM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
My previous quote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens.
is in relation to the vanilla icon.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com http://danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:47 AM, Paul Rankin hello@paulwrankin.com wrote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens.
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Tiny bit better. (blur on layer, not elements, which gives a better result) open with inkscape and export there the required resolution.
On 2017년 07월 03일 12:49, Max wrote:
Hi Dan, I quickly made one addressing some of your points. This uses the current Pd font, not Courier and it uses the plain colors. It has the shadow on a separate layer. Feel free whatever you like with it. Made with IOannes SVG export plugin...
On 2017년 07월 03일 02:33, Dan Wilcox wrote:
THat's what I'm thinking. I emailed Hans about the vector graphics source file for the extended icon.
On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Miller Puckette <msp@ucsd.edu mailto:msp@ucsd.edu> wrote:
A useful clarification. Does anyone have an opinion as to the design of the vanilla vs. the extended icons/ Seems like the thing to do is choose one or the other set, but then re-paint them in 1024x1024.
cheers M
On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 02:23:26AM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
My previous quote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens.
is in relation to the vanilla icon.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com http://danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Jul 3, 2017, at 1:47 AM, Paul Rankin hello@paulwrankin.com wrote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens.
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On 2017년 07월 03일 00:24, Dan Wilcox wrote:
The extended icon is better quality but still lower on retina screens. I'd be up for using it if we could get the original vector graphics file for it and generate newer PNGs & ICNS files.
Additionally to the svg I sent in this thread, there is this illustrator file which has some vector content: https://github.com/tgck/pdtshirt/blob/master/data/pd_t_shirt.ai
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